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[Sokan]

I have an.experiment running with 3x added gypsium and without. Both plants were 16 brix but after watering with water, the one with 3x amount of gypsum kept 16, the other went down to 10. I use lots of self made woowoos. Labs are too far away, I have a test done on my future garden soil though.
Slow, I like your style. quality which.gives quantity

 

[slownickel]

I have an.experiment running with 3x added gypsium and without. Both plants were 16 brix but after watering with water, the one with 3x amount of gypsum kept 16, the other went down to 10. I use lots of self made woowoos. Labs are too far away, I have a test done on my future garden soil though.
Slow, I like your style. quality which.gives quantity

How far along are you? Great job!

What can I say, I am greedy. I want the best and I want the most! Call me the capitalist farmer!

How about you? Yo Yo Yo!

 

[calisun]

I saw 11 leaves on one other of my plants before. However, this time, I pushed Ca way above 85%. Now, 2 plants from different genetics.... coincidence?

They also got lot of everything that was missing, especially Cu, Zn and Mn.

Hey Slow, I've always had good response with my plants by adding some extra Zn, Mg and Ca. This is the first year I added a little Mn sulfate as top dress two times and think my plants had a good response. I haven't added Cu ever and my soil test showed low Cu. Do you have a good Cu source you recommend and when and how is best to apply it.
Thanks

 

[slownickel]

Hey Slow, I've always had good response with my plants by adding some extra Zn, Mg and Ca. This is the first year I added a little Mn sulfate as top dress two times and think my plants had a good response. I haven't added Cu ever and my soil test showed low Cu. Do you have a good Cu source you recommend and when and how is best to apply it.
Thanks

Post your soil analysis if you would. I can only use copper sulfate pentahydrate as an organic source.

I like to apply my metals twice a week as well as do an initial top dress if there is a big quantity to fix. Normally the proportional quantities that are needed are scaled to each other, resulting in a 4 gram Zn, 8 gram Mn, 0.5 gram Cu, 0.5 gram boron type formula for a root drench type application... to give a quick balance over and over. The reason is that many of those metals are going to react with the OM and not ever become available to the plant. Mn is one in particular.

I would also use a good foliar like Albion Multimineral organic if you need it. Really makes a difference. The micros with aminos are super.

We have a great fish amino here with 68% aminos and we mix our micros with it for the soil. The aminos also hold calcium more available to the plant and a great source of N.

 

[Natural Farmer]

707 from seed. Not a lot of frost, probably not the frostiest pheno either, but Ill take it.

 

[plantingplants]

Slow, have you grown on or consulted for any farms growing in ultisol, xerult clay in particular? I think that's what I'm sittin on and I wantedto play with it.

 

[Natural Farmer]

Printed Tiejdan's book. Looks very useful

 

[Sokan]

How far along are you? Great job!

What can I say, I am greedy. I want the best and I want the most! Call me the capitalist farmer!

How about you? Yo Yo Yo!

30 days in 12/12. Applied my trace mineral cocktail with MgCl foliar yesterday, both plants 15brix today. You asked about MgCl, its occuring naturally, zechstein magnesium. I also want the best, long way to go though. What is your experience with grains? Maybe you know someone in that sector with similar knowledge capital

 

[slownickel]

Tested this soil at 65% ca

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Guesstimated this soil at 85% ca (didn't send back in for testing)
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That was a freaking Herculean effort to get that picture from my phone to icmag. I suck balls at this tech thing.

But you do it so well when you put your mind to it! LMAO

 

[plantingplants]

Download the Imgur app. You can upload photos through it and it will give you a link (use the direct link. Looks like imgur.com/j73hej.jpg) and then throw it in your post with the image button or just enclose the link with

tags.

Trying to upload photos on mobile here is a nightmare.

 

[slownickel]

30 days in 12/12. Applied my trace mineral cocktail with MgCl foliar yesterday, both plants 15brix today. You asked about MgCl, its occuring naturally, zechstein magnesium. I also want the best, long way to go though. What is your experience with grains? Maybe you know someone in that sector with similar knowledge capital

No experience in grains.... planted quinoa and sesame one time each... not my kind of crops.


Mg will bring up your brix because it makes your N go down... if you are careful you will notice that there are some folks that don't like their plant too green.

You working off a soil analysis?

 

[prune]

Mg will bring up your brix because it makes your N go down... if you are careful you will notice that there are some folks that don't like their plant too green.

Ya, I've noticed that the tastiest plants are usually not the greenest or the most photogenic. I saw that recent study on N suppressing terpene production and feel somewhat vindicated in my ugly finish...

 

[slownickel]

Ya, I've noticed that the tastiest plants are usually not the greenest or the most photogenic. I saw that recent study on N suppressing terpene production and feel somewhat vindicated in my ugly finish...

Pruner,

If you might, could you post that article or the URL?

Were they discussing synthetic N? How about amino acids?

Pretty sure that amino acids to finish up would make a huge different in weight and flavor and would not be a negative on the equation of terps and overall quality, in reality, I would argue the opposite. Light feeding up 14 days prior to harvest and my stuff tasted great with great flavors. Take one plant and try it.

 

[orechron]

That's pretty much my take on nitrogen late in the game. I never flush my plants, its just starving them when they could be making more oil and weight. People that have to flush their plants for a week or two to get them to taste good aren't feeding them properly anyway. To much nitrate and not enough minerals for the plant to make anything out of it. If I were running hydro or coco I'd probably spray a few things in a foliar and flush for one or two days max.

 

[VortexPower420]

Somw of the plants I just harvested got a little to much pea protein around week4-6. Some got the claw and others didn't yellow out like I would like.
The resulting smoke was noticably harsh on the front end and burns black. The finish flavor is nice just not what I am used to.

BUT, nicest yeild, bag appeal and strong stone with a great nose.

In a situation like this would shot of sul PO mag later in flower help them to fade?

Setting I have pondered for a little while now understanding the Mg cuts down on nitrates in the plant.

Nitrates seem to be the enemy of smooth smoke.

 

[orechron]

Too much of anything is bad for sure. Any excess aminos in the soil will become nitrate.

 

[Dankwolf]

Me too! I would like to think that I am maximizing genetic potential. Anyone else ever see 11 leaves per leaf?

Agreed 100%

 

[brown_thumb]

That's pretty much my take on nitrogen late in the game. I never flush my plants, its just starving them when they could be making more oil and weight. People that have to flush their plants for a week or two to get them to taste good aren't feeding them properly anyway. To much nitrate and not enough minerals for the plant to make anything out of it. If I were running hydro or coco I'd probably spray a few things in a foliar and flush for one or two days max.

I've asked in another thread regarding flushing...

Is there any real benefit to flushing if we're NOT going to smoke... but extract the rosins via heated press? After all, the plant material will be discarded.

 

[orechron]

I'd assume not. The compounds that mess up the smoke are probably water soluble. Unless the press is able to boil out the remaining water in the dried flowers and push out a small amount of steam with solutes.

 

[brown_thumb]

I'd assume not. The compounds that mess up the smoke are probably water soluble. Unless the press is able to boil out the remaining water in the dried flowers and push out a small amount of steam with solutes.

The heat press sure will do that but it seems the contamination will be very minimal. Most people seem to get very clean results. I'll add that it seems decarboxylation could be achieve simultaneously with rosin extraction... just wait until the 'sizzling' sound of CO2 release stops... but no longer.