Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[Guest]

Both samples have a lot of sodium, that last one has more Na than K in your base distribution at least at first glance.

Did you ask the lab to post these to my account? If so, what is your make believe name? haha PM me if you would like.

With the Na where it is I’m not sure how to proceed. I think I may have brought this on myself partially. My growing bags sat directly on the floor of the tent. Even when I did vacuum up runoff I still had water puddles some. I will put bags on grating to get run off away from them. I suppose some flush may leach out some sodium. And I only use RO water since my tap water has high alkalinity. I’m trying to figure out what drove up the Na level so much.

I have fair selection of amendment available including in no particular order Chicken compost, vermicompost, gypsum powder, oyster shell flower, fish bone meal, steamed bone meal, crab meal, neem meal, kelp meal and both bone meal liquid and liquid kelp. And probably a couple others I’m forgetting since I’m not at home at the moment.
I was planning on starting seeds next week and wouldn’t need to transplant into this soil for a couple weeks.
So after reading some it seems I’m not really in that bad shape if I am interpreting what I read correctly. And I hope if I’m way wrong someone will explain why. My biggest issue is I need to let my pots drain off to leach out excess salts instead of letting them sit in the runoff. The sodium levels are up from added gypsum possibly. I probably could add a little more aeration as well.

 

[EasyGoing]

Na possible sources in your grow Stewart

Chicken compost, oyster shell, crab meal, kelp meal, liquid kelp, water, depending on sources

what removes Na from soil in your soil mix........ Gypsum

What doesn't effect Na in your grow....... Putting grow bags on tent floor.

My two cents

 

[led05]

Na possible sources in your grow Stewart

Chicken compost, oyster shell, crab meal, kelp meal, liquid kelp, water, depending on sources

what removes Na from soil in your soil mix........ Gypsum

What doesn't effect Na in your grow....... Putting grow bags on tent floor.

My two cents

man do I love easy but I think them grow bags go salty BC they were on floor sucking up run-off as he mentioned....

either way, can we all finally learn that Anions & Cations all "push" each other, respectively, and the main overlooked item H (holly shat) pushes everything, where I and slow differed early on, H is absolutely critical, how can it not be.... H20 ... that periodic table, how fussy and aggressive...

Slow know more than near all of us AG, educated dude, most here educated too, just not in AG, don't diminish that... Learn from it

Experience, observation, notes, perspective and growing, time and again is the best you'll ever do....

Oh, and 99% of you plus, will never be "special" at this, that is life...

I'll never be a great computer programmer, maybe good but never great....

 

[Guest]

man do I love easy but I think them grow bags go salty BC they were on floor sucking up run-off as he mentioned....

either way, can we all finally learn that Anions & Cations all "push" each other, respectively, and the main overlooked item H (holly shat) pushes everything, where I and slow differed early on, H is absolutely critical, how can it not be.... H20 ... that periodic table, how fussy and aggressive...

Slow know more than near all of us AG, educated dude, most here educated too, just not in AG, don't diminish that... Learn from it

Experience, observation, notes, perspective and growing, time and again is the best you'll ever do....

Oh, and 99% of you plus, will never be "special" at this, that is life...

I'll never be a great computer programmer, maybe good but never great....

Im just a personal closet grower in a non legal state. So my goal is to one day grow a product that someone says damn thats some of the best stuff I have had in a long time. Right now feedback from small amounts gifted to fam and friends telling them its stuff I bought seems to indicate Im doing well. Just not that holy shit thats good stuff. I get better every grow. Elmers Glue is curing now and that was the smelliest stuff I have grown. I had to add an extra carbon filter on the exhaust in my attic. Next up is Hulk Smash from Dark Horse.

 

[GreenHands13]

I have had multiple people send me soil samples recently with crazy high Na. The one thing in common with all of them is amending a lot of kelp. How much kelp are you amending with as well as how much liquid kelp are you feeding Stewart?

 

[led05]

I have had multiple people send me soil samples recently with crazy high Na. The one thing in common with all of them is amending a lot of kelp. How much kelp are you amending with as well as how much liquid kelp are you feeding Stewart?

Good post...

I’ve found most kelp mineral analysis is very favorable to say the least, Thorvin is one of the best I’ve found though and most close to actual numbers

 

[Guest]

I have had multiple people send me soil samples recently with crazy high Na. The one thing in common with all of them is amending a lot of kelp. How much kelp are you amending with as well as how much liquid kelp are you feeding Stewart?

Funny you say that. I added about 1 cup or so per CF when I mixed the soil about 6-8 months ago. However I used liquid kelp throughout flower weekly but at less than recommended levels except during mid flower and then only for two weeks. I used Growmore brand of seaweed extract. Sourced it via Amazon.

 

[GreenHands13]

Could be the liquid kelp or other fertilizer but, it seems to me that your Na went up a lot after you mixed the dirt and sent in New samples. What did you mix in it?

 

[Guest]

Could be the liquid kelp or other fertilizer but, it seems to me that your Na went up a lot after you mixed the dirt and sent in New samples. What did you mix in it?

After first test it was recommended that I had a need for more Ca and P. I added about 3/4 cup of solution grade gypsum per CF and about 3/4 up of steamed bone meal. Transplanted into soil about 2 weeks later. During grow I added a few spoonfuls of gypsum a week during veg. Liquid bone meal and liquid kelp was added through the grow as well. Usually about 1/2-3/4 strength per product recommendations.

 

[paradoxlost]

Did you taste the gypsum, bone meal, or kelp? That right there will tell you what did it and if your gypsum and bone meal suppliers are dirty crooks.

 

[Guest]

Did you taste the gypsum, bone meal, or kelp? That right there will tell you what did it and if your gypsum and bone meal suppliers are dirty crooks.

My mom taught me not to eat dirt. And pods. Funny stuff there.

 

[EasyGoing]

man do I love easy but I think them grow bags go salty BC they were on floor sucking up run-off as he mentioned....

I could see if it were saucers catching the water. However run off in a tent is pretty standard stuff right? Maybe I am just use to living in un-level houses, cause my run off runs to the same back corner of my room. Maybe you guys are right, I stand corrected.

 

[led05]

I could see if it were saucers catching the water. However run off in a tent is pretty standard stuff right? Maybe I am just use to living in un-level houses, cause my run off runs to the same back corner of my room. Maybe you guys are right, I stand corrected.

I've actually never used a tent in my life so not a clue. I thought he mentioned his fabric pots sitting in water, I agree on the saucers - they can work like hempy buckets at times but for most seem to = more issue than worth.

How old is your home, sounds older, older homes seem to be built with more tolerance and any structures tend to just move over time. They also used to build homes to breathe better / less tight tolerances; I think it was the 70's or early 80's efficiency gurus / Govt forced homes to be built near air-tight for energy conservation, fire rating improvements etc and they have little if any drafts. The downside to that is piss poor inside air, especially in colder regions during winter, people dying from things like carbon-monoxide, radon issues etc, everything has its' trade offs.

Most basements have pitched floors too (if built right) so they lead to a sump-pump hole or similar though so its not surprising yours isn't flat, it's not supposed to be

Personally when I water inside I try not to water to run-off point and don't flush either so these are non-issues for me. If things are dialed in well there's really no reason to IMO, also run-off to me is wasted and also needs to be cleaned up, caught or dealt with in some fashion.

Have a good weekend all, more flooding around these parts - Jan this year has been like no other I've seen - 50's, then 5, then 50, then negative 5 F all in days time, silly weather

 

[growingcrazy]

Stewart, I would Irrigate those pots with rain water until you have a low EC in your runoff. Stir the whole batch and let it dry out to a useable dampness. Retest after that.

If you have 200 soil ppm Na, and 0 in your R/O water. Runoff water being absorbed isn't going to increase your Na numbers. It has to come from either an addition via you, or make what is in the soil more available... A high concentration of Na is possible in the bottom 2 inches of a container after 5-10 cycles in a no-till.

Get the Na out first. This is obtainable indoors, especially on small quantities of soil.

Also, start using weight for your amendments. Measuring cups are only good once have a good schedule, know your amendments and have already used the math in the past.

 

[jidoka]

Sorry but someone has to ask. Stewart, would you mind naming the liquid bone meal and kelp. Someone needs to have them tested

 

[theJointedOne]

Hey guys and gals

I came here because I know you guys know your stuff, Im hoping you can point me in the right direction.

Im trying to find a good place to do soil pathogen testing...any recommendations?

thanks, feel free to pm me if you wan't to keep the thread clear of clutter.

Happy new year to you all

 

[paradoxlost]

Check out Elaine Inghams lab. She does a lot with microbiotic assaying

 

[theJointedOne]

Check out Elaine Inghams lab. She does a lot with microbiotic assaying

She's actually right down the road from me hehe.

I'm looking to get my soil tested for fusarium. If that helps

 

[reppin2c]

If run off was the problem wouldn't all the other numbers gain at the same rate as Na?

 

[slownickel]

Hey guys and gals

I came here because I know you guys know your stuff, Im hoping you can point me in the right direction.

Im trying to find a good place to do soil pathogen testing...any recommendations?

thanks, feel free to pm me if you wan't to keep the thread clear of clutter.

Happy new year to you all

Joints,

What makes you think you have a soil "pathogen"? There are soil pathogens like fusarium that are in nearly all soils. The reason that fusarium will become a problem is when the good biology isn't there to control it.

This last season, a grower had sclerotinia in his soil from residuals left over from last season, Bayer Contans (Coniothyrium minitans) was applied to affected plant and all the other plants as well. The affected plant recuperated and only one other plants showed symptoms, which also immediately stopped.

I inquired to some folks that might know of good labs in the US. What part of the country are you in and what are you seeing that is making you want to run this type analysis?

Clutter away.