Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[Guest]

So yeah, I researched it before you posted that link and the excerpts. Everything I read that I thought was about plant toxicities had to do with toxicities having to do with animals and possibly people, like you said. So here's my heaping portion of humble pie that I'm sitting down to at moment.

You were right; I was wrong.
You're very intelligent; I am dumb.
You are dashingly handsome; I have my own side-show tent at the circus.
You smell nice; I smell like Brad Pitt after a 100KM race and fell in a pile a dog poo right after the finish line.
Women are attracted to you; I only attract flies
You have a winning personality; I'm so annoying even telemarketers don't call me.
You are very interesting to others; I eat Tide pods
Etc.

I'm sure I could go on, but I gots stuff to do.

The only thing I'd disagree with you with is that this thread is about hitting numbers from the very first page through to the end. I have no desire to be guessing what's going in my soil or where my mineral levels should be, not to say I won't top-dress with some plant material, I will, but most of my soil building is going to be with materials that I have a decent idea of what the mineral content is.

Anyway, thanks for teaching the class a thing or two

Do the tide pods taste like spearmint?

 

[paradoxlost]

So yeah, I researched it before you posted that link and the excerpts. Everything I read that I thought was about plant toxicities had to do with toxicities having to do with animals and possibly people, like you said. So here's my heaping portion of humble pie that I'm sitting down to at moment.

You were right; I was wrong.
You're very intelligent; I am dumb.
You are dashingly handsome; I have my own side-show tent at the circus.
You smell nice; I smell like Brad Pitt after a 100KM race and fell in a pile a dog poo right after the finish line.
Women are attracted to you; I only attract flies
You have a winning personality; I'm so annoying even telemarketers don't call me.
You are very interesting to others; I eat Tide pods
Etc.

I'm sure I could go on, but I gots stuff to do.

The only thing I'd disagree with you with is that this thread is about hitting numbers from the very first page through to the end. I have no desire to be guessing what's going in my soil or where my mineral levels should be, not to say I won't top-dress with some plant material, I will, but most of my soil building is going to be with materials that I have a decent idea of what the mineral content is.

Anyway, thanks for teaching the class a thing or two

Haha, it's definitely counter intuative the only reason I even thought to look cause there's like a thread from 2003 on here citing Mo toxicity at 1000 ppm I found after looking around for a thread on deficiencies after hitting a Mo lock out hard that I corrected with massive amounts of gypsum and pureed bee pollen.

I would agree that this thread is about hitting numbers, but definitely more so about hitting high calcium. And if you go look at liming effects vs fully balancing a soil with macros and micros + liming you'll see most of the times the effects are the same. Indicating most soils are already balanced, the problem isn't with most of the numbers. Unless you've destroyed a field with decades of fertilizer and pesticides additives, than normally you just need get the soil structured to a point where the bacteria can get enough oxygen and water going through, than enough calcium for the bacteria AND the plants. Calcium and carbon, two backbones of life on this planet.

 

[Lightweight]

Do the tide pods taste like spearmint?

I don't know. I was just kidding. You'd have to be an idiot to eat Tide pods. Pound prices are down and Costco's Kirkland brand pods are HALF the price of Tide's!!! And from what I hear taste twice as nice. I'm not made of money for crying out loud.

 

[Avenger]

For every one ppm of Molybdenum that sodium molybdate would add, you also get 0.479 ppm sodium. Considering the general range for the molybdenum target in soils, If you add so much sodium molybdate that it causes your sodium to be excessive/toxic, you have major mathmatical problems and should probably not have keys to the fertilizer shed. However I do understand the desire to limit sodium input, it seems to me to be de minimis in the case of sodium molybdate.

 

[paradoxlost]

For every one ppm of Molybdenum that sodium molybdate would add, you also get 0.479 ppm sodium. Considering the general range for the molybdenum target in soils, If you add so much sodium molybdate that it causes your sodium to be excessive/toxic, you have major mathmatical problems and should probably not have keys to the fertilizer shed. However I do understand the desire to limit sodium input, it seems to me to be de minimis in the case of sodium molybdate.

Even though I stated early that this isn't about shooting for numbers, I would shoot for 0 ppm Na.

 

[EasyGoing]

Na problems? Throw some gypsum at it!

 

[Guest]

I have a sample at spectrum at the moment. First sample was before grow months ago. My second sample of the same soil after grow. For a disclaimer I am using a fake address and throw away gmail for this account.
My account shows the last test and current test sample numbers but no results for the results for the first test have never been linked. I got an email of results after I contacted them that had a PDF which is all I needed but they never attached the results to the account.

My latest sample was delivered a few days ago via tracked mail. Used the same info and noted the K3 test and included the same method of payment US Postal MO.
Presuming they need a couple more days I just am wondering how others have dealt with them and made it easier to get the results. For those of us being incognito.

They must know they get samples from non legal states for the purpose of growing our favorite crop. Are they neutral in their politics or not weed friendly?

 

[EasyGoing]

Dirt is dirt. They don't care what you grow in it. I have told them I am growing cannabis, and even though they don't like it, they don't refuse my business. I give them my home address and my normal email address. I don't think you have anything to worry about.

 

[Guest]

Results are back. Before.


After


I have to run to an apointment and will look closer later at the results. Na is the one thing that I see off the bat.
I was going to use this soil in a week or so for another grow. How the heck can I knock down the Na?

 

[led05]

I have a sample at spectrum at the moment. First sample was before grow months ago. My second sample of the same soil after grow. For a disclaimer I am using a fake address and throw away gmail for this account.
My account shows the last test and current test sample numbers but no results for the results for the first test have never been linked. I got an email of results after I contacted them that had a PDF which is all I needed but they never attached the results to the account.

My latest sample was delivered a few days ago via tracked mail. Used the same info and noted the K3 test and included the same method of payment US Postal MO.
Presuming they need a couple more days I just am wondering how others have dealt with them and made it easier to get the results. For those of us being incognito.

They must know they get samples from non legal states for the purpose of growing our favorite crop. Are they neutral in their politics or not weed friendly?

why are you being incognito for a soil test? I'd venture to guess, 99% of soil tests in this country are purchased by farmers who grow other AG products, this is a very normal & routine process to do annually. Many home gardeners will even do this for their veggies, fruits, ornamentals etc...


I've been getting soil tests for years thru a local extension / university - if they ask (which is rare IME) what crops you're focused on just tell them peppers & tomatoes (my actual reason), the only reason they'd ask is different crops have different requirements and they'd be looking to help you "dial"


Reality is, every message we type on this site (which is a very minimal risk IMO unless your flaunting huge grows) is a bigger risk than sending in soil samples IMO

 

[slownickel]

Results are back. Before.
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After
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I have to run to an apointment and will look closer later at the results. Na is the one thing that I see off the bat.
I was going to use this soil in a week or so for another grow. How the heck can I knock down the Na?

Stewart,

1. The lab doesn't care what you grow in your soil. They ask so they can send you some "guidelines".

2. Can't open your attachements

3. Unless you get your numbers are downloaded in excel format, which you can only do if you get them to set you up an account, you can't see indexed numbers.

 

[EasyGoing]

15:45 is very interesting to me. Why calcium doesn't show up at times in soil reports.

https://youtu.be/cHPOMBe2SUE

 

[led05]

15:45 is very interesting to me. Why calcium doesn't show up at times in soil reports.

https://youtu.be/cHPOMBe2SUE

This is a decent video but at 15:45 the issue was @ P not Ca.... basically after adding 2000# to an acre over a year for 2 years P didn't move, due to lack of soil Biology, root exudates, microbes etc, the P wasn't broken down or digested...

I'd say too much Ammonium and too low a PH has a part of it too, as this will also effect soil biology and how P works...

Good video

That part in the video outlines what I think is a primary issue for all AG in US, too much avoidance and negative connotations around P for too long which created a huge lack of its use and even MORE a lack of understanding of how critical it is...

IMO, if you focus and nail your Ca & P, everything else will fall in line and is of much lessor importance in the big scheme of things for quality product.

 

[slownickel]

15:45 is very interesting to me. Why calcium doesn't show up at times in soil reports.

https://youtu.be/cHPOMBe2SUE

Kempf has been watching too many Elaine Ingram videos! And Zimmerman is his mentor, imagine.

 

[EasyGoing]

hehe. He brings up good points. The answer is good chemistry with good biology.

Also, he talks before the 15:45 minute mark about three elements, Ca being one, that his example applies to. So yea, Ca also. All elements really, right? It is part of an answer I have been looking for. Couple years ago I kept adding Ca and P to a soil mix yet every time I sent in the samples they read the same. Pieces of the puzzle are starting to make the picture more clear.

 

[led05]

hehe. He brings up good points. The answer is good chemistry with good biology.

Also, he talks before the 15:45 minute mark about three elements, Ca being one, that his example applies to. So yea, Ca also. All elements really, right? It is part of an answer I have been looking for. Couple years ago I kept adding Ca and P to a soil mix yet every time I sent in the samples they read the same. Pieces of the puzzle are starting to make the picture more clear.

If you grab a shovel full of your soil and it isn't moving, at least some, you're missing the boat - that's a simple at home test for anyone

 

[slownickel]

Yes Easy, it is both biology and chemistry. However, if there is no air due to lack of Ca, biology won't get you there. As well, he is now adding in extraction rates on top of corrections, including Mg! Grrrrrrrrr

If you don't get enough Ca, you can't get the system jump started.

 

[led05]

Yes Easy, it is both biology and chemistry. However, if there is no air due to lack of Ca, biology won't get you there. As well, he is now adding in extraction rates on top of corrections, including Mg! Grrrrrrrrr

If you don't get enough Ca, you can't get the system jump started.

to me, Ca & Biology go hand in hand and are one in the same when growing outside & organically. If either is missing it's easy to tell simply by our sense of smell, feel and sight - pick up a hand full and you can just tell using those 3 things, IME.

Soil tests are great and absolutely necessary for fine tuning and the micros but show me 50 samples of soil, let me play with them with my senses alone and I'll pick the top 10% of those 50 samples over 90% the time.

 

[Guest]

Stewart,

1. The lab doesn't care what you grow in your soil. They ask so they can send you some "guidelines".

2. Can't open your attachements

3. Unless you get your numbers are downloaded in excel format, which you can only do if you get them to set you up an account, you can't see indexed numbers.

Hmmm,, I think I figured out my mistake. Try again. I just uploaded pics to my album. High Na and PH is down to 6.1


Before grow and before adding extra Ca and P.

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And after grow. Soil dumped from pots and mixed before sample sent. Little under 20 gallons.

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[slownickel]

Before grow and before adding extra Ca and P.

Both samples have a lot of sodium, that last one has more Na than K in your base distribution at least at first glance.

Did you ask the lab to post these to my account? If so, what is your make believe name? haha PM me if you would like.