Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[led05]

If run off was the problem wouldn't all the other numbers gain at the same rate as Na?

not necessarily, different minerals push each other, that whole pesky Anion & Cation thing. Hydrogen (h20) also effects each respective minerals/salts differently depending on the make-up of his soil.

I think though his inputs are also a clear potential / likely area of concern and needs to be considered.

Slow RE good biology, that applies pretty much to all the bad things (insects, viruses, fungal, bacterial issues etc) the good and bad tend to balance, right?

I also find healthy plants just push right on thru, fusarium etc attacks the weak or already compromised, normally due to previous existing deficiencies or other problem existing weaknesses I've found.

Fumigating soil is a heck of a task, especially a large area and not something I'd ever want to do

 

[growingcrazy]

Slow RE good biology, that applies pretty much to all the bad things (insects, viruses, fungal, bacterial issues etc) the good and bad tend to balance, right?

I also find healthy plants just push right on thru, fusarium etc attacks the weak or already compromised, normally due to previous existing deficiencies or other problem existing weaknesses I've found.

Fumigating soil is a heck of a task, especially a large area and not something I'd ever want to do

Led wins.

Start thinking about soil pathogens as you would a virus or bacteria in the human body. A body with proper nutrition will ward off the disease before infection.

Plants operate in the same manner.

Soil life, Biology, living soil organism...make the world go round.

 

[Guest]

If run off was the problem wouldn't all the other numbers gain at the same rate as Na?

I wondered the same thing. But I think at least getting the runoff away from the pots will help. Or I could be all wet. Its why I ask for input from the experts.

 

[Guest]

Sorry but someone has to ask. Stewart, would you mind naming the liquid bone meal and kelp. Someone needs to have them tested

Nectar of the Gods brand Herculean Harvest Liquid Bone Meal.

Growmore brand Seaweed Extract

 

[led05]

I wondered the same thing. But I think at least getting the runoff away from the pots will help. Or I could be all wet. Its why I ask for input from the experts.

most plants don't want wet feet, especially this one. Getting the run-off away is an absolute must and part of good clean growing practices.

Growing indoors or even inside a GH, cleanliness is godliness and you want to control as much as you can within reason.

 

[paradoxlost]

most plants don't want wet feet, especially this one. Getting the run-off away is an absolute must and part of good clean growing practices.

Growing indoors or even inside a GH, cleanliness is godliness and you want to control as much as you can within reason.

Lies, all lies. Nature never tidied anything up.

Unless you're in hydro, you need to clean up your area, and keep it sterile too.

But that's neither here nor there.

 

[theJointedOne]

thanks for the info


I asked bc last year i had a beautiful garden, everything was lush and rolling along, then all of a sudden right before they started stretching i noticed what looked like a deficiency everywhere but later turned into stunted plants and lower yields over all.

I had a couple get so bad they just ended up dying, even with the upmost care. They didnt skip a beat all the way from propagation to then so thats why i was convinced there is something in the gardens soil that is affecting the plants. The soil was tested in spring and while not perfect ratios throughout, it was not imbalanced greatly in anyway. I amended with organic/natural inputs ect.

The fucked up thing was the year before i saw the same thing, excellent growth until mid summer then lots of problems seemed to come up in this one garden.

I did find some evidence of russet mite damage but it was localized and seemed much different that the yellowing rusting spindly growth i was seeing. The garden was on a pretty straight forward spray regiment/ipm program

 

[paradoxlost]

thanks for the info


I asked bc last year i had a beautiful garden, everything was lush and rolling along, then all of a sudden right before they started stretching i noticed what looked like a deficiency everywhere but later turned into stunted plants and lower yields over all.

I had a couple get so bad they just ended up dying, even with the upmost care. They didnt skip a beat all the way from propagation to then so thats why i was convinced there is something in the gardens soil that is affecting the plants. The soil was tested in spring and while not perfect ratios throughout, it was not imbalanced greatly in anyway. I amended with organic/natural inputs ect.

The fucked up thing was the year before i saw the same thing, excellent growth until mid summer then lots of problems seemed to come up in this one garden.

I did find some evidence of russet mite damage but it was localized and seemed much different that the yellowing rusting spindly growth i was seeing. The garden was on a pretty straight forward spray regiment/ipm program

Did the yellow spindly growth start in the middle of the plant and was it accompanied by some purplish as well.

 

[led05]

Lies, all lies. Nature never tidied anything up.

Unless you're in hydro, you need to clean up your area, and keep it sterile too.

But that's neither here nor there.

The great outdoors is very different than inside which is why I specifically excluded it., aka nature...

who said sterile, we were discussing a room which had puddling runoff water which fabric pots were sitting in, that isn’t clean by any means and was the point of my comment.

You dig ?

 

[HASHCAM]

when i heard cations i sort of thought ions
positive and negative

 

[led05]

when i heard cations i sort of thought ions
positive and negative

Anions are Neg - Nitrogen (Nitrate), P, S, Cl, & Mo ur key ones

Cations are Pos - Nitrogen (Ammon), K, Ca, Mg, Cu, Fe, Mn & Zn ur key ones

Boron be Neutral

 

[led05]

thanks for the info


I asked bc last year i had a beautiful garden, everything was lush and rolling along, then all of a sudden right before they started stretching i noticed what looked like a deficiency everywhere but later turned into stunted plants and lower yields over all.

I had a couple get so bad they just ended up dying, even with the upmost care. They didnt skip a beat all the way from propagation to then so thats why i was convinced there is something in the gardens soil that is affecting the plants. The soil was tested in spring and while not perfect ratios throughout, it was not imbalanced greatly in anyway. I amended with organic/natural inputs ect.

The fucked up thing was the year before i saw the same thing, excellent growth until mid summer then lots of problems seemed to come up in this one garden.

I did find some evidence of russet mite damage but it was localized and seemed much different that the yellowing rusting spindly growth i was seeing. The garden was on a pretty straight forward spray regiment/ipm program

If you really have out of control Fusarium it should be fairly obvious what it is. It sounds to me like you're having mineral uptake, water uptake, probably both issues in the hottest & driest points of the year from your quick description above in that part of the garden / one garden - as you know the plant also is going to want different minerals, water, even PH to a certain degree as you move along in flower so lots of factors.

I don't personally think its fusarium but hard to tell from what's been given. Did you test soil in fall after grow by any chance?

Does this look familiar, it's a good example of a section going totally bad, plant type doesn't matter

 

[theJointedOne]

Did the yellow spindly growth start in the middle of the plant and was it accompanied by some purplish as well.

it did work out from inner lowers.

I didnt see purple on anything except for stuff that would purple naturally. And that being said it did seem to create senescence earlier than usual, if that helps anything in describing the problem.

 

[paradoxlost]

The great outdoors is very different than inside which is why I specifically excluded it., aka nature...

who said sterile, we were discussing a room which had puddling runoff water which fabric pots were sitting in, that isn’t clean by any means and was the point of my comment.

You dig ?

I've definitely let tents build up a dirt floor almost and sometimes it gets flooded, which adds to humidity. The root zones are all that matter. Having things get dirty in my opinion adds to the immune system of the environment

 

[cbcool]

it did work out from inner lowers.

I didnt see purple on anything except for stuff that would purple naturally. And that being said it did seem to create senescence earlier than usual, if that helps anything in describing the problem.

What's your water source and have you had it tested? What your describing from the previous page sounds a lot like high bicarbonates in your water. just my cents though.

 

[~star~crash~]

Hey ... Growers

Hey ... Growers

so i've been using Mammoth P for a cycle and 1/2 thus far i can report that it does indeed perform exactly as they says it does

tighter nodes, less stretch, & stronger stems

 

[~star~crash~]

GG#4 w/ Mammouth P

GG#4 w/ Mammouth P

 

[jidoka]

Jointed...Colorado State University can test soil, roots and water for fusarium

 

[MedResearcher]

The no "wet feet" is crucial imo. Especially in large amounts of soil.

We battled fussarium. I blamed the soil, changed it. Still battled it. Blamed myself for over watering, which I surely did. Went away for years, eventually had it pop up again here and there.

Finally realized, a large part was the drainage underneath the mounds/smart pots. It had gone away when the gardens location was moved, then popped up again when it was moved again. The difference was the drainage directly below the trees.

Depending on the terracing or the slopes in the garden. Some trees were planted on low spots or the terrace was simply to flat so the water pooled underneath the tended soil on top of the native clay.

So much soil, the top 12" or even 18" was really nice. It was underneath where the tended soil met the native clay that I couldn't see, the water was pooling, going bad, and promoting the wilt.

Last year we had such a huge rain year. I feel that all the rain, left soggy fields promoting fussarium growth even prior to planting. So once stretch/flower came, the weather cooled, it hit hard on anything that was questionable. Some genetics are just more prone to it as well.

Ugly as hell, but something to say about a smart pot on top of a pallet. Not going that route, if I was to terrace or level a new pad again, I would make sure to calculate drainage. Irrigating just perfectly so water isn't pooled helps surely, but a bad rain storm the wrong time of the year and it won't matter.

Hope some of that might help a bit,
Mr^^

 

[led05]

The no "wet feet" is crucial imo. Especially in large amounts of soil.

We battled fussarium. I blamed the soil, changed it. Still battled it. Blamed myself for over watering, which I surely did. Went away for years, eventually had it pop up again here and there.

Finally realized, a large part was the drainage underneath the mounds/smart pots. It had gone away when the gardens location was moved, then popped up again when it was moved again. The difference was the drainage directly below the trees.

Depending on the terracing or the slopes in the garden. Some trees were planted on low spots or the terrace was simply to flat so the water pooled underneath the tended soil on top of the native clay.

So much soil, the top 12" or even 18" was really nice. It was underneath where the tended soil met the native clay that I couldn't see, the water was pooling, going bad, and promoting the wilt.

Last year we had such a huge rain year. I feel that all the rain, left soggy fields promoting fussarium growth even prior to planting. So once stretch/flower came, the weather cooled, it hit hard on anything that was questionable. Some genetics are just more prone to it as well.

Ugly as hell, but something to say about a smart pot on top of a pallet. Not going that route, if I was to terrace or level a new pad again, I would make sure to calculate drainage. Irrigating just perfectly so water isn't pooled helps surely, but a bad rain storm the wrong time of the year and it won't matter.

Hope some of that might help a bit,
Mr^^

BINGO, great post... - wicking goes deep and it's also very hard for any of us to "imagine" what the water table(s) are doing at 12, 18, 24" below surface, the layering etc unless we dig around and take a look.... all of this will certainly have an effect, critical ones often. Fusarium in my experience is better to beat by good practices than fumigation