San Diego Finest Cuts #3

[ECtraveler]

San Diego county is not going to give out any of the new grow licenses come 2018. They have opted out.

Is that new information or from the March meeting? I heard they're waiting to see how things shake out at the state level and will revisit the issue at the beginning of the year. The San Diego County Farm Bureau is 100% behind Cannabis cultivation and are aggressively lobbying for it.

 

[Cadfael]

SAN DIEGO, CA (10/13/2017) - On the night of Thursday, October 12, the San Diego County Sheriff Department targeted medical marijuana delivery services as part of an organized sting operation.

A total of seven medical cannabis delivery drivers from seven different delivery services were arrested after each was lured to the Santee Country Club to complete an order for cannabis. The intended recipient was actually a decoy who had provided photos of the appropriate documentation to each delivery service as part of the ordering process. The Sheriff’s Department was deliberate in providing partial information in an attempt to entrap the delivery drivers.

Five male delivery drivers were released from county jail in the early hours of Friday morning. Two female drivers were sent to Los Colinas and at the time of this press release no other information is known about their situation.

The San Diego Cannabis Delivery Alliance advocates on behalf of independent cannabis delivery services which are not attached to regular storefront-style dispensaries. The organization believes that local jurisdictions in San Diego could easily avoid issues with unlicensed delivery, if they simply created a delivery-only licensing structure. After all, more than 52 percent of Santee residents voted in favor of Proposition 64 last November, and currently the will of the voters is not taking priority.

“We feel conducting a sting operation at a country club is grandstanding. Public shaming only serves to fuel the divide between law enforcement and the cannabis industry,” says Elizabeth Wilhelm, President of the SDCDA. “We understand that not every community needs or wants dispensaries, or other cannabis activities, but every community has medical marijuana patients who deserve safe and private access at their homes or businesses.

Though there is a general ban on commercial cannabis activity on unincorporated county land, this organization is doing work on the municipal level from San Diego to Carlsbad, trying to ensure safe access to medical cannabis for disabled and elderly populations. Operators who are part of the Delivery Alliance have already begun to meet with San Diego City Council members in order to make their case, and are in talks with several cities in North County to consider delivery services as a safe and convenient alternative to traditional dispensaries.

“Banning marijuana in the county does not make medical marijuana patients ‘go away,’” says Wilhelm. “The demand for medical marijuana is real. Many of the the people served by independent delivery services have no other form of reliable and safe access. We feel it is unfortunate that the Sheriff’s Department chose to use its precious resources on marijuana delivery, while the death toll from pharmaceuticals, heroin and meth continue to scourge East County."

Just like within the city limits, the SDCDA believe that developing a regulated delivery system in suburban and rural areas of the county would help keep the unregulated market at bay, and provide for legitimate patients’ needs without a proliferation of cannabis storefronts. The organization is actively engaged with lawmakers county-wide to preserve and restore safe access through a network of licensed and regulated "Independent Cannabis Therapy Practitioners” who are trained in caring for patients on a deeper level than simply dropping off an order.

 

[DRM Ranch]

If they opt out does that mean they also opt out of any revenue from the recreational market?

 

[ECtraveler]

If they opt out does that mean they also opt out of any revenue from the recreational market?

Yep

 

[DRM Ranch]

Anyone use Essentria IC3 insecticide concentrate?

It is;
10% rosemary oil
5% Geraniol 300
2% Peppermint oil

It is rated for use against a huge variety of common pests, mites being on the list.

 

[positivity]

Anyone use Essentria IC3 insecticide concentrate?

It is;
10% rosemary oil
5% Geraniol 300
2% Peppermint oil

It is rated for use against a huge variety of common pests, mites being on the list.

Some info here..

https://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/...ide-concentrate-questions-pq-1954.html?page=2

Can I spray Essentria IC3 on avocado trees to eradicate mites? We want to sell the fruit.

Essentria IC3 cannot be applied to fruit or vegetables directly, especially ones that will be harvested for human consumption. However, we do have a product made specifically for food bearing trees which is called Malathion 57%. It can be applied right to the food on the tree, For each plant type there is a cut off time before harvesting, which is usually 7 days. Here is a link to the product label.

more here..
http://www.pestgon.com/PDF/SDS/Essentria IC3.pdf

 

[DRM Ranch]

Some info here..

https://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/...ide-concentrate-questions-pq-1954.html?page=2

Can I spray Essentria IC3 on avocado trees to eradicate mites? We want to sell the fruit.

Essentria IC3 cannot be applied to fruit or vegetables directly, especially ones that will be harvested for human consumption. However, we do have a product made specifically for food bearing trees which is called Malathion 57%. It can be applied right to the food on the tree, For each plant type there is a cut off time before harvesting, which is usually 7 days. Here is a link to the product label.

I understand it isn't labeled for use on edible products, I am curious as to why.

I consume the three ingredients regularly in foods (rosemary oil and peppermint oil) or via inhalation (peppermint oil in electronic cigarettes and geraniol from cannabis).

Essentria IC3 is labeled for use in food prep areas however not while food is being prepared.

 

[cyat]

Is that new information or from the March meeting? I heard they're waiting to see how things shake out at the state level and will revisit the issue at the beginning of the year. The San Diego County Farm Bureau is 100% behind Cannabis cultivation and are aggressively lobbying for it.

From dept of agriculture. They said they won't be giving out any permits, but personal growing is ok.

 

[DRM Ranch]

I think my topmost concern would be with the entire definition of what a personal grow is and is not.

 

[DoomsDay]

That should be the primary concern really. Commercial cultivation they are going to want to get their dirty little mits into as deep as possible to get every penny they can...

On a personal level for those that use it as a medicine, the wording is going to be key; and we all know how lawyers play with words so this should be interesting.

 

[Terpene]

I understand it isn't labeled for use on edible products, I am curious as to why.

I consume the three ingredients regularly in foods (rosemary oil and peppermint oil) or via inhalation (peppermint oil in electronic cigarettes and geraniol from cannabis).

Essentria IC3 is labeled for use in food prep areas however not while food is being prepared.

Usually it’s because the product either doesn’t breakdown quickly enough or that it hasn’t undergone testing on crops.
Most caution label pesticides are able to be used in food prep areas as long as food isn’t present and residuals are wiped off prep surfaces before making food.

I wouldn’t use malathion, it’s pretty strong smelling stuff with very little residual control which means you’re using it again and again and we’re trying to minimize applications here..

 

[DRM Ranch]

I found the following to be something I suspect we will have to deal with in the not so distant future. In particular I wonder about the potential for field testing, dried testing and cured testing as it might translate to cannabis.

Here is a broken link to where I found the information below; hxxps://www.gao.gov/atext/d03485.txt

Fix hxxps to https

To evaluate the levels of pesticides to which cigarette smokers might
be exposed from residues on tobacco, EPA reviews plant metabolism and
residue studies provided by manufacturers that identify the residues of
pesticides, and any harmful by-products[Footnote 16] they may produce,
that remain on the crop after it has been treated. The plant metabolism
studies reveal how plants process a pesticide once it is applied and
the relative amounts of the pesticide and its by-products that remain
after treatment--the total toxic residue (TTR). The residue studies,
called field trials, quantify the levels of pesticide and by-product
residues that remain on plants grown under actual agricultural
conditions that approximate the expected "real life" environment. Such
field trial data, which are required for all pesticides that will be
used on food, may not always be required for pesticides used on tobacco
because EPA uses a "tiered" approach to evaluate residues on tobacco.
That is, for tobacco, the agency requires additional residue data after
the metabolism study only if it has shown that the combined residue
levels of the pesticide itself and any harmful
by-products exceed 0.1 parts per million (ppm)--the agency's "threshold
of concern" for residues on tobacco. Thus, as figure 1 shows, EPA
generally requires plant metabolism studies for green tobacco and may
require data from field trials for both green and cured (aged) tobacco,
depending upon the amount of residues that are identified.[Footnote 17]
In addition, EPA may require pyrolysis studies that measure the
residues in smoke when tobacco treated with a pesticide is burned.
Finally, EPA may require additional residue studies to estimate
potential exposure, even if the residues are below 0.1 ppm, if it has
concerns about the toxicity of a pesticide.

Figure 1: Figure 1: EPA's Tiered Approach to Assessing Health Risks of
Exposure to Residues on Tobacco:

Usually it’s because the product either doesn’t breakdown quickly enough or that it hasn’t undergone testing on crops.
Most caution label pesticides are able to be used in food prep areas as long as food isn’t present and residuals are wiped off prep surfaces before making food.

I wouldn’t use malathion, it’s pretty strong smelling stuff with very little residual control which means you’re using it again and again and we’re trying to minimize applications here..

Are you suggesting malathion is in some way similar to Essentria?

I use cold pressed Neem oil, isopropyl alcohol, baking soda, and coco wet, thus far it works just fine at preventing any unwanted critters and PM from taking hold in my grow.

I've described earlier how I treat seeds.

I have a fairly large collection of insects that I breed as feeders, so most insecticides are something I do not want floating around anywhere close to my home.

Obviously using nothing would be best, however I do not own a clean room at the moment so that is out of the question. I'm working on making it more isolated though.

 

[ECtraveler]

I have a fairly large collection of insects that I breed as feeders, so most insecticides are something I do not want floating around anywhere close to my home.

What type of insects do you breed? That's awesome!

 

[Grow Tech]

Some info here..

https://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/...ide-concentrate-questions-pq-1954.html?page=2

Can I spray Essentria IC3 on avocado trees to eradicate mites? We want to sell the fruit.

Essentria IC3 cannot be applied to fruit or vegetables directly, especially ones that will be harvested for human consumption. However, we do have a product made specifically for food bearing trees which is called Malathion 57%. It can be applied right to the food on the tree, For each plant type there is a cut off time before harvesting, which is usually 7 days. Here is a link to the product label.

more here..
https://www.pestgon.com/PDF/SDS/Essentria IC3.pdf

I think Terp saw this from Positivity.... it's a cut and paste from a "answers" section off a pesticide retailers website. But....IC3 is not related to Malathion.

Just a little aside.. Malathion brings back memories of working in nurseries in the late 80's. It and Diazinon were the goto poisons. Of the 2 I preferred Diazinon but we had particularly good results treating mites with a tank mix of Malathion and Orthene (Acephate ). This was on ornamentals

 

[DRM Ranch]

What type of insects do you breed? That's awesome!

In no particular order;

Blaptica dubia
Nauphoeta cinerea
Callosobruchus maculatus
Tenebrio molitor
Drosophila hydei
Tribolium confusum

I used to make a living breeding these and more as well as formulating specific feeds for them.

I think Terp saw this from Positivity.... it's a cut and paste from a "answers" section off a pesticide retailers website. But....IC3 is not related to Malathion.

Just a little aside.. Malathion brings back memories of working in nurseries in the late 80's. It and Diazinon were the goto poisons. Of the 2 I preferred Diazinon but we had particularly good results treating mites with a tank mix of Malathion and Orthene (Acephate ). This was on ornamentals

There you go...thank you.

"Borg" and our friend "PM" certainly grab a big slice of the cannabis worlds attention. It has mine for the moment too.

I thought it particularly interesting that the US does not test tobacco for residuals of approved pesticides but does test for residuals of illegal pesticides. My thought as I'm sure falls in line with many others was to look toward the tobacco industry for pesticide info, what a huge series of disappointments that venture turned out to be.

It seems to me that we are left to our own collective devices to determine what is safe...that is not a particularly comforting realization.

With all that said, my insect breeding work has taught me that even under some very secure conditions outside issues find a way in. There have been an assortment of viruses and whatnot that swept through the insect breeding communities that wiped out breeders, I managed to make it through those with little more than being hyper anal about isolation and only moving insects out, never bringing in new stocks. Still, about once a year or two I would catch a vector taking hold in the facility. The absolute horror of having to tear down everything and manually remove something like phorid flies or dust mites is beyond crushing. The process is lengthy and I would always stop my operation until I was able to get the situation under control.

I took precautions building my grow room here to take advantage of things I learned in my serious insect breeding days, but there are differences I don't know how to plan for. If I get the Borg or PM I am currently of the opinion that the crop is lost for human use, Essentria grabbed my attention because of it's ingredients and my knowledge and experience with them.

Which brings me to the point of, what if any consensus has the San Diego community come to regarding the addressing current issues with the Borg and PM and preventive measures for the same.

My own procedures are as follows

Quarantine and treat with excessive quantities of CO2 and no-pest-strips followed by H2O2 foliage spray till near the point of killing new entries, clones of new entries get a quarantine of their own to prove out the effectiveness of my efforts prior to moving into my veg area.

My grow is located behind no less than 4 doors, and I shower prior to entry every time to prevent bringing in anything myself.

I have HEPA+UV air filtration at the entry points to stop the entrance of PM spores.

I've mentioned my seed protocol, and use of neem oil and isopropyl alcohol as additional preventive measures.

Temps, humidity, air exchange, and air flow are well regulated by appropriate automated equipment.

Still my doors aren't air tight and to a mite or PM spore may as well be an open border. So the potential exists that either of these hells could take hold and ruin a third of a years efforts.

It seems the idea of what is safe is an evolving thing, I understand that, which is why I'm so interested in any current group ideas on the topic.

 

[Grow Tech]

How about breeding some predator mites. I'll take 2000 N.Californicus every 3 mths please

 

[ECtraveler]

How about breeding some predator mites. I'll take 2000 N.Californicus every 3 mths please

Biotactics only charges $90 for 6000 if you go direct. Swiirskis too (600 of those)
https://www.benemite.com/

I'd be more than willing to go in a batch every so often if you want

 

[Grow Tech]

Biotactics only charges $90 for 6000 if you go direct. Swiirskis too (600 of those)
https://www.benemite.com/

I'd be more than willing to go in a batch every so often if you want

I used to use those guys before they tripled their shipping charge and imposed a minimum. I shared an order with our friend RosinEvolution awhile back and it worked out well. Id be interested in getting some more in about a month. We"ll talk

 

[DRM Ranch]

Breeding them requires also breeding the pest species as food.

I might need to think about that.

 

[Caligreen1]

So is anyone working toward trying to acquire a license for cultivation in SD come 2018? I'd love to be involved somehow, even as a lowly grower with minimum wage haha. So many opportunities though, I drool over instagram warehouses all day....