Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[IE2KS_KUSH]

Ohhh, Ron just advocated personally stopping illegal trespassers on private property. I guess that means arm yourself and demand papers. Turn em in personally - if they're not shot first.

He doesn't say thieves or worse. It's trespassers. I guess that means if you fuck up and walk on the wrong spot you might get a cap in it.

Lmao I'm sure most illegals just accidentally innocently illegal stumbled across a national border into a our nation and then they just get confused and stay because they lost all hope of ever finding their way home lol

 

[ShroomDr]

I love Snout or his points of view..... Funny how they take my jokes and show how poorly they consistanly interpret.\\

Snout has destroyed the NObama lover.

Santorm isn't getting the 40 angles treatment.

I cant get over this.

LOL

why would you even post that?

FWIW Snout's last post was disagreeing with JJScorpio LOL

Thats when the warning came.

and then Finally, you say you love his 7 posts (who are all directed at me Disco and JJ).

 

[itisme]

FUCK ME IS NEWT THROWING IT FOR PAUL BRINGING HIM UP ON PURPOSE AND SAYING HOW HE'S BEEN RIGHT FOR A GENERATION AND HOW PAUL IS THE ONLY ONE NOT SURPRISED! WTF?! LMAO EVEN POINTS OUT WE ARE GOING INTO TYRANNY WTF IS THIS THE TWIGHLIGHT ZONE?

Do Do Do Do do do do do Do Do Do Do..
NO SHIT! We told you, "Life is stranger than fiction."

Newt said Establishment don't want me, fuget a bout It

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I though we talked about single payer... well you and i our closer than i though then.

Probably did and I don't remember the details. Forgot to mention, my first first preference is nationalized healthcare.

I would pay doctors, nurses, right on down to the janitors their market worth. I'd pay administrators of the various entities competitive salaries. But I'd get the 8 and 9 figure executives and shareholders out of the picture. There's a reason why technology charges so much for new heath care gear. We'll continue to pay the ever rising costs with our own insurance policies.

There's too little incentive to provide heath care technology at sustainable cost. Get the executive level profit margin out of the care business and you restrict technology's ability to bilk the system. I'm all for the heath outcomes of a relative few benefiting from astronomical costs but I'm also aware these costs are unsustainable.

Exxon and ConEd make a profit. They even pay their executives the big bucks. But heath care is hit with high costs from more directions and the result is what we have. We don't have to ruin our finances to pay for gas and electricity and the rich bastards still make a killing. Healthcare is spreading the killing in an ever wider circle of open hands and it gets bigger every time new technology is introduced.

rant off

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Lmao I'm sure most illegals just accidentally innocently illegal stumbled across a national border into a our nation and then they just get confused and stay because they lost all hope of ever finding their way home lol

He was more specifically talking about trespassing on private property, not national border crossing. IMO, it had to do with the whole "property rights" thingy. Besides, how do you determine where this hypothetical trespasser came from if you didn't see them cross the border and know their circumstances are illegal? Legals cross the border every day, whether they're green cards or American citizens traveling to or from Mexico. Trespassing doesn't necessarily have to be pedestrian. Take a wrong turn down a unfamiliar road and it might be your last wrong turn. Run into Mr. Property Rights and it might be all over.

 

[dagnabit]

How long you figure it would take a gov salaried doc to pay off the indenture?

 

[itisme]

OMG that oustide view was ALL RON PAUL SIGNS and ANTI-ROMNEY\

Cheerful Newt Selling NUKES in our cities.

 

[dagnabit]

He was more specifically talking about trespassing on private property, not national border crossing. IMO, it had to do with the whole "property rights" thingy. Besides, how do you determine where this hypothetical trespasser came from if you didn't see them cross the border and know their circumstances are illegal. Legals cross the border every day, whether they're green cards or traveling to or from Mexico.

Who cares where their point of origination is? Trespassing on posted land can get you shot....
Unless you are a land surveyor those laws dont apply to us. Made shroom hunting easy bitd. Just told farmer brown we was hunting section corners.
If the parcel is 160 acres or more we had to notify the owner.
"property rights" is not about racism or wanton killing and you know it rush.....
Its more about being able to put your back 40 in pasture but the dep wont let you because the okaloosa darter makes its home on a stream that crosses your land. So the wetland mitigation zone prevents using your income.

 

[ShroomDr]

I basically agree Disco, inusance comapanies are nothing but middlemen.

Ive read a bunch of things, but im pretty sure the obamacare will eventually force insurance companies out. It limits their profits, and if people must be offered options, everyone will eventually move towards the cheaper, which will be the govt.


I love Ron Paul on the endle$$ War$!

 

[Avenger]

I,I,I...


it sounds like you want to be the dictator.


LMAO

market worth?? how the fuck do you figure the market worth in a nationalized healthcare?

Too much man too much,

Probably did and I don't remember the details. Forgot to mention, my first first preference is nationalized healthcare.

I would pay doctors, nurses, right on down to the janitors their market worth. I'd pay administrators of the various entities competitive salaries. But I'd get the 8 and 9 figure executives and shareholders out of the picture. There's a reason why technology charges so much for new heath care gear. We'll continue to pay the ever rising costs with our own insurance policies.

There's too little incentive to provide heath care technology at sustainable cost. Get the executive level profit margin out of the care business and you restrict technology's ability to bilk the system. I'm all for the heath outcomes of a relative few benefiting from astronomical costs but I'm also aware these costs are unsustainable.

Exxon and ConEd make a profit. They even pay their executives the big bucks. But heath care is hit with high costs from more directions and the result is what we have. We don't have to ruin our finances to pay for gas and electricity and the rich bastards still make a killing. Healthcare is spreading the killing in an ever wider circle of open hands and it gets bigger every time new technology is introduced.

rant off

 

[ShroomDr]

how the fuck do you figure the market worth in a nationalized healthcare?

Too much man too much,

In REALITY, if you have job with healthcare, the pay you earn going towards healthcare is already taken out before you get it.

Its a tax, but its a 'tax' that goes to your insurance company.

So while you might end up paying more federal 'tax', your not paying that insurance company shit.

And (currently) the more people your company gets on its insurance plan, the cheaper it is per person.


Private insurance companies have DEATH PANELS (one for all the health providers), that augment has been totally invalid, and just a smoke screen from the real issue. Insurance companies dont want to lose their slice.






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[IE2KS_KUSH]

I would disagree with what you say he meant, I didn't take it how you did at all. He was talking about illegals crossing the border that's how I took it..in my mind someone illegally crosses makes there way onto ranch land a hundred miles from everything and a rancher finds them or they find him while working cattle. Sure maybe they are legal they just appear out of no where. MOST of the border is open country. Obviously you can't know legal status of any person you see for example on your lawn but in the country you got 15 illegals (allegedly) lol and a 57 year old with a sidearm and q vehicle...is lethal force necessary idle depends would innocent people die...of course they already do from all sides..you have a right to protect yourself family and properties ...that's how I took it.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Who cares where their point of origination is?

Do you want shoot-first to apply to potential legals? Trespassing on your property isn't necessarily a deadly force situation but that doesn't mean some don't want a deadly force opportunity.

Trespassing on posted land can get you shot....

You're right. But are we talking practically or ideologically? Does the situation advise it or are you exercising a technicality? Sorry, not you personally.

Unless you are a land surveyor those laws dont apply to us. Made shroom hunting easy bitd. Just told farmer brown we was hunting section corners.
If the parcel is 160 acres or more we had to notify the owner.
"property rights" is not about racism or wanton killing and you know it rush.....
Its more about being able to put your back 40 in pasture but the dep wont let you because the okaloosa darter makes its home on a stream that crosses your land. So the wetland mitigation zone prevents using your income.

Yeah, I wouldn't want you to face unnecessary dangers in the field, any dangers if that's possible. I'd also extend this to would be trespassers who happen to not present the practical necessity of deadly force. I realize the need for security and I don't advocate riling ornery landowners. And I hope for my sake I don't accidentally stumble upon any.

Me and a buddy were fishing on the edge of the river in the national forest and we pay attention to the posted markers so we don't get fined. A man building a house on a piece of private property told us to get off his land. My buddy explained his land didn't include river right of way. In fact, they guys deed is marked accordingly. The landowner assumes because no other private landowner is involved, he can tell us to cross the river, traverse his waterfront and then cross the river again to get where we're going.

I listened to my buddy correct every assertion the landowner offered. Then I reminded the landowner he was renting his motor home slip and utility connections from me and to have a nice day. If the fuck head was packing, the somewhat heated conversation might have got me and bud capped.

 

[ShroomDr]

Id rather fuck Cindy McCain than Megan McCain....

Santorms daughter is not bad either...

 

[itisme]

Ron Paul
Newt G
2012?

Does the VP get the codes? Just trying to figure out Newts angle. He hates Ron,

 

[Megas]

3 out of 4 Republicans approve fear mongering the ignorant.
Good job Dr. Paul tonight.

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

Do you want shoot-first to apply to potential legals? Trespassing on your property isn't necessarily a deadly force situation but that doesn't mean some don't want a deadly force opportunity.

You're right. But are we talking practically or ideologically? Does the situation advise it or are you exercising a technicality? Sorry, not you personally.

Yeah, I wouldn't want you to face unnecessary dangers in the field. I extend that to would be trespassers who happen to not present the practical necessity of deadly force.

I get it...but you can't prevent people from the right to protection because some loony toon psycho just kills on site for fun...that guys will kill anyway. Obviously you don't want people killing indiscriminately but there are laws and if someone just executed kids and woman I don't think they could justify the killing or be protected under law

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Why are we the only country whose congress will not allow us to negotiate to lower the cost of prescription drugs?

 

[zymos]

How long you figure it would take a gov salaried doc to pay off the indenture?

Part of providing healthcare for our citizens should be helping out with training the providers. Finishing med school with crippling debt is a big part of the problem,IMO.

 

[itisme]

"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. "
Martin Luther King Jr

A wise wise man he was.