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Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

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dagnabit

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I guess if you put stock in kerchick you also believe the ayers/wright nonsense as well?

Its all obfuscation from the bush/obama crowd.

It is quite interesting to see DB quoting palin hannity and limbaugh. I had no idea you guys had so much in common!!!
Heard limburger just yesterday spouting the kerchick trash with the same venom he spewed about wright...
 

itisme

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It balanced out. It started the way so many have. I forget who referenced the way they control it earlier but it was meant mainly as a reply to them. I forget who and don't know the name :D of my weed ;D

I know I can't be the only one to see a CNN bias though.

We heard about a Santorm surge and Whitney H. for two weeks now, NOT A PEEP ON THE "MARCH ON THE WHITE HOUSE" by our Troops.

It did happen.
 

Snout

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If I'm running a public business, it's discriminatory to exclude because of factors noted in the CRA. If I want to run a private establishment, I may have more freedom to discriminate. I'm free to discriminate in my home. IMO, that's more than enough baggage for anybody to suffer.
The public refers to government run. I agree with that part since everyone pays into it.

Wholesale segregation, murders, beatings, terror, voter intimidation... too much to attempt reference here. But we have an overwhelming historic account with text, pictures and video tape.
All this had been going on for a long time. Only when the people rose up against it did the change occur. Like you said the public demanded reform.

then please reference them.
my full quote "The facts say otherwise. It's obvious Ron Paul didn't write the articles. That is what he has refuted. That is what matters. You are having to try too hard make it "sound" like he was okay with them when he wasn't. Everything Ron Paul stands for is in direct opposition to what was written. Why do you think you know differently?"

You want me to provide evidence of Ron Paul NOT being racist??? The evidence is already out there. No one has heard Ron Paul say anything similar to what you say he wrote.

Doesn't speak well for management and oversight skills.
Like I mentioned before about agendas. One incident makes the person? How does that trump the fact that he's returned budget money designated for his office every year he's been in Congress. How does that trump the fact that he told us the exact reasons for the economic collapse?

I've referenced some IMO compelling information, not just personal inclination. I don't have to profess that I know this to be true. Part of the vetting process is observing how these folks explain their respective controversial aspects. After all, the guy wants to be the leader of the free world.
Nothing compelling. All you have referenced is someone said. Nothing factual. Not unlike what happened at Duke University

Your making multiple absolutes with no references.
This is incorrect. Are you saying he ran his medical practice AND the day to day operations of the newsletters even though they were far apart? How is that possible?
Ron Paul takes personal credit for some of those articles. Are you saying he didn't write the ones he personally and publicly acknowledged?
No that is your misguided perception. Ron Paul takes credit for what he personally wrote not what appears in the newsletter with his name. Big difference.

I could go to Ron's house and say, give me copies of your taxes in question, inquiring minds want to know. Or, I could reference media accounts that obtained tax records through the Freedom of Information act. Besides, Ron Paul would quite probably refute making bank (if he didn't) and there would be reference you could cite.
This is incorrect. No one can get anothers tax records period. Why else does the media ask if the candidates will release their tax returns?

Eric Dondero was the first guy to disparage the newsletter operation. Dondero said they recognized the whack shit delivered more cash than the non-whack shit. He also said they chose to continue the whack, even though it alienated the libertarian portion of their readers - because it was lucrative.
You're referencing a mentally disturbed person as a reliable source. Why?

Since, a former woman newsletter employee corroborated the same information. Sorry, don't have her name. I wouldn't mind dropping the link if and when I run across it but I'm inclined to imagine you'd say I made it up.
This is incorrect. What this person said was Ron Paul was there for the day to day operations. That was proved incorrect since he couldn't possibly run his medical business AND the newsletters at the same time. The distance was too great.

The guy's almost 80 years old. What you've heard him say might represent hours. I never set out to convince you. I'll post the info and you can conclude whatever you want. I make no guarantees the info I cite is 100% accurate. Suggesting I made it up might be indicative of how you intend to disposition more damning information.
Again that is your misguided perception.

Right now you're looking through the prism of the base. The general electorate view is never consistent with respective bases. That's why virtually all candidates primary to the fringe and general to the center.

IMO, repeating the same thing over and over isn't necessarily a mole hill.
repeating it isn't the issue. Not having any substance is.

Yeah, he's no longer in the newsletter for sale business. I don't know how you refute stuff that even Ron himself doesn't.
This doesn't make sense. Refute what that Ron doesn't?

:chin: that's what the whole newsletter-changed-hands is about.
It wasn't a different business just a new operator or owner. But I get your meaning now.

Have you looked at any of em? Particularly the staff annotation - Editor - Ron Paul. (It's on the cover.)
originally yes. Not the ones with the racist statements.

And this is where Ron himself concedes he didn't manage enough oversight.
This is incorrect. He said he didn't pay attention to what went out under his name after he left. He wasn't saying it happened when he editor.

IMO, your standard of fact is whether it sounds good. If it sounds bad... well, I just made it up.
That is your misguided perception yet again. My standard of fact is not someone said. All the evidence, Ron Pauls policies, his speeches where you can hear him speak and not what someone says he said are in complete disagreement with what was written in the newsletters.

I guess with you it depends on who happens to be doing the representation.
This doesn't make sense. On who happens? I said Ron Paul himself.

Where's the success? The gilded age isn't considered a success. His bill passage ratio is dismal and 30 years of national office reflects very little in regard to leadership. Sure he introduced a bill to reform weed but did he do anything to advance it? Would be interesting to hear what Ron does (or doesn't do) to effectively lobby his interests with his peers. House rotunda speeches are great but the practical applications of government are much more than speaking.
Without the audit the Federal Reserve Bill no one would know where our money is going. Trillions overseas to foreign businesses and banks. Which bill of his was bad? The one in 2003 that wanted to reel in the lending practices which ended up ruining us economically? The bill that wanted to give tax credits for medicine? He's not responsible for the actions of the big spenders.
Ron Paul has always been for reducing spending which is the main problem of Congress and you're criticizing him for it. That's like criticizing a nun for not turning tricks in a brothel. He was there to stop the whoring.

Maybe, if Ron Paul is the only guy you're listening to. Congressman Dingle, economists and even president Bush wrangled over the obvious signs of over activity as early as 2003. And Greenspan never took these worries to heart, at least not enough to raise the prime lending rate.
It started before that with Carter btw.
Ron Paul spoke about this as soon as congress got the ball rolling on it, Bush signed the bill. Afterwards yes Bush did raise concerns. But Bush never gave the reasons why it was bad. From day one Ron Paul told us the reasons.
Bravo for bringing up the Federal Reserve since they are the ones who have caused all trouble. The same thing that caused the Great Depression, the dot com bubble and the housing bubble. Congress did set the stage by not practicing free market principles and meddling in the economy.

I'd be interested to see a link on that one. Is Ron still suggesting 9/11 was a gub job?
He never did say that. He did say the blame was being passed around. This is what I mean when I say some people have an agenda and don't look for the truth but inside grab the first thing that they agree with.
 

itisme

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Even the crowd is seeing .... Ron is ready to ROCK.

SNOUT, your growing on me fast. If you need a place to stay just holla my brother.

You are killing disco...:D
 

DiscoBiscuit

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... The funny thing is that RP opponents don't actually believe that he's racist either. Opponents are just using this issue as a blunt and convenient weapon. WTF, talk about a red herring.

What's really irritating about exchanging with you is you have to be reminded 30 times about every aspect.

(Whatever he is or isn't) pales to the fact he sells fear and hate for profit. He's no longer in the newsletter biz but he's busy selling conspiracy theories to the whole damn electorate. And if that's not enough, there's different versions depending on the audience. We're not talking the typical base to general shift, it's from whacked to retract in some cases. He's done a complete 180 on the subject of truthers.

And the little fella still has an out. While he simultaneously suggests ineptness AND direct intent, involving the government AND private entities, he can say the private entities had the motive while government unintentionally provided the ineptness.

Why else would he go off on Jake Tapper for inquiring about truthers? Why would any man openly and generously discuss any topic with a room full of people on video tape yet the same man lambasts a television journalist for similar inquiry?

That's easy. He's a conspiracy buff who recognizes that lots of folks don't go for a banana in their tail pipe.

What about the REAL issues, DB? Yeah, I'm looking at you.
Cocky is an emotion I don't typically associate with ya, itisme. When we were smack dab in the middle of states rights issues, you beamed us up Scotty to Illuminati stuff and repeated it over and over for pages and pages.

Tell you what, select any issue (other than conspiracy theories and Illuminati stuff.) Chances are I'll point out where I already opined on the issue and if not I'll consider your thoughts. But you have this conflict over whether to address my responses. Just try not to do both, especially at the same time.

I got 200 pages of evidence showing he has no interest in the real issues.

You're stepping in your own pile of doo. 200 pages of text proves I'm as issue-oriented as anybody in this thread. Except for repeatedly asking you to get back on the track or feeling you need repeat explanations of the same thing, the thread has a shit load of info.

He STFU about them around page 40-50 because I shut him down on them.
I guess you're a fan of traverse redundancy. At first I thought you just liked to repeat yourself.

Now I am ignoring him and he is trying to bring me out.....He is a troll, no way around it.
I've seen you laugh and cry but now you're doing it at the same time.

Any Ron Paul supporter should not reply to DISCO or ZYMOS for sure,,..ShroomDrr is on my list but he hasn't got as much info against him as the other two, but he seems to be rowing in the same direction.
You remember where JJ Scorpio says anybody making aliases to back their opinions will be waxed? You inferred that Snout and I are one in the same. Did you happen to take a look and realize Snout's posting your side of the argument, not mine? :biglaugh:

Thanks, I see more truth in those things than Ron Paul being a Racist. I kmow we have a Illuminati thread so I have lost nothing. Many people on this site will call you crazy for beleiving in God too. There loss, not mine.

Yep. Nothing new about nothing new.
 

itisme

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Notice when they back off they do a three man shot very often. Rarely is Ron P. in it.

OMG Did you see that camera when Newt and Ron spoke. I am had a flashback they had about 40 angles and changes in focus.

Why do they keep switching angles so damn much? My head is hurting.
 

Rukind

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What's really irritating about exchanging with you is you have to be reminded 30 times about every aspect.

(Whatever he is or isn't) pales to the fact he sells fear and hate for profit. He's no longer in the newsletter biz but he's busy selling conspiracy theories to the whole damn electorate. And if that's not enough, there's different versions depending on the audience. We're not talking the typical base to general shift, it's from whacked to retract in some cases. He's done a complete 180 on the subject of truthers.

And the little fella still has an out. While he simultaneously suggests ineptness AND direct intent, involving the government AND private entities, he can say the private entities had the motive while government unintentionally provided the ineptness.

Why else would he go off on Jake Tapper for inquiring about truthers? Why would any man openly and generously discuss any topic with a room full of people on video tape yet the same man lambasts a television journalist for similar inquiry?

That's easy. He's a conspiracy buff who recognizes that lots of folks don't go for a banana in their tail pipe.

Cocky is an emotion I don't typically associate with ya, itisme. When we were smack dab in the middle of states rights issues, you beamed us up Scotty to Illuminati stuff and repeated it over and over for pages and pages.

Tell you what, select any issue (other than conspiracy theories and Illuminati stuff.) Chances are I'll point out where I already opined on issue and if not will consider your thoughts.



You're stepping in your own pile of doo. 200 pages of text proves I'm as issue-oriented as anybody in this thread. Except for repeatedly asking you to get back on the track or feeling you need repeat explanations of the same thing, the thread has a shit load of info.

I guess you're a fan of traverse redundancy. At first I thought you just liked to repeat yourself.

I've seen you laugh and cry but now you're doing it at the same time.

You remember where JJ Scorpio says anybody making aliases to back their opinions will be waxed? You inferred that Snout and I are one in the same. Did you happen to take a look and realize Snout's posting your side of the argument, not mine? :biglaugh:



Yep. Nothing new about nothing new.


lets not point any fingers. You dont know who snout is. that goes for both of you.
 

ShroomDr

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I BELIEVE Disco is currently for Obama, but i dont believe he is 100% thrilled with him (and Disco has ZERO problem with 'obamacare').

Personally, i dont disagree with RP on MANY concepts, i just feel his approach is naive. Its a Trojan horse, and it could just open the flood gates to an environment similar to China. China has a Chinese EPA, you still would want to breath Beijing air.

No one will convince me i can EFFECTIVELY bring litigation against polluters, not before their damage is done.

If youre for Dr Paul, thats fine, i got no beef, ending the drug war, and border war could lead to a paradigm shift, but dont fool yourself into thinking he is the savior against NWO.

If the other candidates are/have opened the front door to NWO, RP is opening the back door. His fiscal policy is exactly what 'they' would want.
 
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Dr Paul just bitch slapped santorum had me rolling, "because he is a fake!" Lmfao he looks a little feisty tonight
 

ShroomDr

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These GOP candidates are acting like brats.... i blame GWB!

Where is the steadying hand to steer these fools?

Abortion and birth control are LOSING issues for the GOP, the more they talk, the more Obama picks up female voters.

FWIW this whole govt birth control issue is only due to the fact that THE CATHOLIC HOSPITALS TAKE FEDERAL MONEY. If they didnt take Fed dollar$, they could do whatever the fuck they want.

Its a losing issue that only old white men, who are already voting GOP, care about.


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itisme

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I love Snout :D or his points of view..... Funny how they take my jokes and show how poorly they consistanly interpret.\\

Snout has destroyed the NObama lover.

Santorm isn't getting the 40 angles treatment.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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lets not point any fingers. You dont know who snout is. that goes for both of you.

Try another read.

I don't infer who Snout is.

Reminding itisme which side of the argument Snout's on doesn't suggest it's him.

I infer there's no reason to correlate me with Snout.

If I was going to artificially back my opinions, wouldn't I first pick somebody who agrees? Rhetorical question.
 
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IE2KS_KUSH

FUCK ME IS NEWT THROWING IT FOR PAUL BRINGING HIM UP ON PURPOSE AND SAYING HOW HE'S BEEN RIGHT FOR A GENERATION AND HOW PAUL IS THE ONLY ONE NOT SURPRISED! WTF?! LMAO EVEN POINTS OUT WE ARE GOING INTO TYRANNY WTF IS THIS THE TWIGHLIGHT ZONE?
 

itisme

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HEHE Ron is getting the cheers and Santorm the BOOS

Surging downward as he speaks..Santorm a victim of his own Faith.

You can't force your morals and Religious views on others Sanny boy, that is a founding Principle of our Country.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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I BELIEVE Disco is currently for Obama, but i dont believe he is 100% thrilled with him (and Disco has ZERO problem with 'obamacare').

Personally, i dont disagree with RP on MANY concepts, i just feel his approach is naive. Its a Trojan horse, and it could just open the flood gates to an environment similar to China. China has a Chinese EPA, you still would want to breath Beijing air.

No one will convince me i can EFFECTIVELY bring litigation against polluters, not before their damage is done.

If youre for Dr Paul, thats fine, i got no beef, ending the drug war, and border war could lead to a paradigm shift, but dont fool yourself into thinking he is the savior against NWO.

If the other candidates are/have opened the front door to NWO, RP is opening the back door. His fiscal policy is exactly what 'they' would want.

I'm a fan of anything that seeks to curb health care costs. That said, I'm not happy with the law. I wanted single payer. Then I settled for the public option and didn't get that either. IMO, zero problem is a rather interesting assessment. :chin:
 

ShroomDr

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IMO, zero problem is a rather interesting assessment. :chin:
I though we talked about single payer... well you and i our closer than i though then.





And one last thing. For those of you that started a troll account and came into this thread and posted with it, after posting with your normal handle, it's a bannable offense. We don't mind someone having two handles but we do care when it's done for the sake of backing the opinion of another of their handles.

Anymore and both handles will be banned........

User Snout

I love Snout :D or his points of view..... Funny how they take my jokes and show how poorly they consistanly interpret.\\

Snout has destroyed the NObama lover.

Yeah i just wish you/he would come back...




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DiscoBiscuit

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Ohhh, Ron just advocated personally stopping illegal trespassers on private property. I guess that means arm yourself and demand papers. Turn em in personally - if they're not shot first.

He doesn't say thieves or worse. It's trespassers. I guess that means if you fuck up and walk on the wrong spot you might get a cap in it. :chin:
 

ShroomDr

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Newt is not WINNING, which means he is LOSING very badly. Wheres that charismatic double speak he was spewing 3-4 debates ago?
 
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