Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[itisme]

RON PAUL 2012.

CNN Debate at 8:00 EST

I found Disco on film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSmdQEEwjVw

Ron Paul Supporters Talk About Racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oibtTJN1Fg
Blacks are not stupid. They know the Drug war is a racist enforced legislation. They live it every day.

I love black people.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Then we wouldn't have to prop these bastards up because they wouldn't have enough cash to wreck the globe.

Here's the problem with that IMO. They already wrecked the globe. Once you start propping the bastards up it will never end. TBTF is institutionalized. Look at Greece. It is undersiege. There is a full blown banking occupation of that country with the approval of the second bailout (probably won't work anyway).

The democratic process has been destroyed there. From now on there is an escrow account where all of Greece's revenue will be paid to their creditors (banks) before any of it can be used for the public administration of the country. They are debt slaves. And we will be too if we keep propping the status quo up. Dodd-Frank institutionalized TBTF, it's not going to solve it. Failure and default is the only way it stops.

We all should have learned from Iceland. They told the bankers to fuck off, let their banks fail, threw people in jail, and are on the road to recovery. They starved the beast and came out better for it.

The EU and the US is on the road to full on banking occupation. I think we're already there, but Greece is the only example so far where it is so entrenched that there is no argument.

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

Are we really still talking about the racist newsletters? Ron Paul supporters don't believe that he is racist.

The funny thing is that RP opponents don't actually believe that he's racist either. Opponents are just using this issue as a blunt and convenient weapon. WTF, talk about a red herring. What about the REAL issues, DB? Yeah, I'm looking at you.

Ron Paul's "Racist Writings" DEBUNKED. Real Author: James B. Powell (Revised Version) MUST SEE HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6C-...9c&annotation_id=annotation_334481&feature=iv

 

[itisme]

What about the REAL issues, DB? Yeah, I'm looking at you.

I got 200 pages of evidence showing he has no interest in the real issues.
He STFU about them around page 40-50 because I shut him down on them.
Now I am ignoring him and he is trying to bring me out.....He is a troll, no way around it.

Any Ron Paul supporter should not reply to DISCO or ZYMOS for sure,,..ShroomDrr is on my list but he hasn't got as much info against him as the other two, but he seems to be rowing in the same direction.

 

[zymos]

I got 200 pages of evidence showing he has no interest in the real issues.
He STFU about them around page 40-50 because I shut him down on them.
Now I am ignoring him and he is trying to bring me out.....He is a troll, no way around it.

Any Ron Paul supporter should not reply to DISCO or ZYMOS for sure,,..ShroomDrr is on my list but he hasn't got as much info against him as the other two, but he seems to be rowing in the same direction.

Says the person who needed to be told BY OTHER RON PAUL SUPPORTERS to cool it on the loony tunes FEMA death camp/NWO/milf farming stuff because it was hurting the cause and drowning out any discussion of actual NON-imaginary issues...

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

I'd rather read about the NWO and the illuminati than rehash the newsletters, AGAIN, even if it is a fringe topic. Bring some new insight into the newsletter arena, and I'll be glad to discuss it with you.

 

[whodare]

http://blackvoicenews.com/news/news-wire/47297-what-are-blacks-to-do-about-ron-paul.html

Republican presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) has come under fire over allegations that a newsletter he edited years ago contained racist commentary. The old geezer is being punk’d by people Black voters really should be leery of instead of quoting. Publicizing of comments published in the 1980s and 1990s reeks as a the latest agenda to mis-educate Black voters. To charge Paul with “racism” is misleading.

Ron Paul is far from being a foe of Black Americans. He is to be admired as a man of principles and a comrade in foiling America’s imperialists and the war crowd that probably were sources of the racially-charged commentaries. In contrast to what has turned up, if Blacks look a little closer they’d see that Paul’s political positions are in line with those preached and practiced by Martin Luther King, Jr. MLK’s position on foreign policy was vastly more similar to Paul’s than it is to any other presidential candidate.

Paul is hardly the racist that the mainstream media would have Blacks believe him to be. Blacks have more in common with Paul’s opposition to America’s penchant for imperialistic wars and absurd rationalities behind them like “Manifest Destiny” and “American Exceptionalism” than with President Obama.

Think about it, Paul has been on the national scene for 30 years. He has been labeled “conservative”, “Constitutionalist” and “libertarian”, but never “racist.” Much of Paul’s opposition comes from fear in some pro-Israel circles that Paul reflects an ascendant faction that has little use for a foreign policy so tilted toward Israel. Paul is not “a mainstream man” and the only candidate seeking to change the status quo in America. A medical doctor, Paul advocates ending the drug war and fixing a biased court system that unfairly targets and punishes minorities.

Paul may have made enough people mad enough to punk him, but Blacks have to be discerning in knowing what his actual views toward us are. Over the years Paul’s positions have remained clear and transparent. He hasn’t wavered in his voting or policy ideals. What candidate can you name that is more serious on fiscal matters? Paul wants to get rid of many federal agencies and would like to audit and perhaps abolish the Federal Reserve Bank. Paul advocates an end to the death penalty and, as president, plans to bring all military troops home.

People tied to the military/industrial complex loathe Paul the most. He labels their banter against Iran “warmongering” and states: “In all wars minorities suffer the most. So I hope that they join me in this position … against the war in Iraq… and the war on drugs.” What other candidates will stand up and say “I will pardon … everybody convicted for non-violent drug acts and drug crimes. This is where the real discrimination is … the judicial system … that I’m attacking.”

Paul brings a breath of honesty and accountability to the 2012 presidential races. Blacks of all political stripes would benefit from an honest debate during this season about campaign finance reform, military spending, torture of enemy combatants, immigration, the Federal Reserve, free trade agreements, gay marriage and prison sentences for drug use Paul’s candidacy brings about. In his opposition to American imperialism, Paul provides a certain appeal to people who see through the lies fuelling the Bush/Obama foreign policy: using the American military on behalf of the banks and multinationals. An unbridled military industrial complex is against the interest of any thinking American, and many voters are starting to rethink America’s foreign policy. For these views, Paul has growing appeal among Americans and is being “played”; as he’s portrayed as a racist on racist mediums.

As the primaries play out, look at Paul for practical political positions that help our nation. Black voters should move beyond the newsletters in judging Paul. Try judging his efforts to end a “war on drugs” that has contributed to the mass incarceration of the poor and people of color, you’ll find him far from racist and quite progressive.

Malcolm X:

"If you form the habit of going by what you hear others say about someone, or going by what others think about someone, instead of searching that thing out for yourself and seeing for yourself, you will be walking west when you think you're going east, and you will be walking east when you think you're going west. This generation, especially of our people, has a burden, more so than any other time in history. The most important thing we can learn to do today is think for ourselves."

 

[bentom187]

bentom187, remember in 2007 when conservatives feared that Obama shared Jeremiah Wright's arguably racist and anti-nationalist views?

Lots of folks never changed their minds, even though Obama publicly disavowed the offensive comments, said he never personally witnessed similar rhetoric, stopped going to Wright's church and bounced Wright from the inaugural ball.

What if these same folks found out that Obama once had a newsletter that espoused similar inflammatory rhetoric? The, what if they found out he made an ass load of money off intolerance? I know folks are mad he made money on his biography but that's policy difference stuff. It wasn't loaded with paranoia and hate.

DB i completeley agree, i dont buy into anyones racist accusations unless they are aparent with evidence, in how they governed and treated other people. i see none of the accusations manifesting in him.
i voted obama for full disclosure.
im sure when you work you get paid unless its volentary, as for a ass loads of money,if he had that much money he wouldnt plea with the public for donations.
he also gives back a portion of his congressional pay, and would do the same with his presidential pay. who else does that?
how people make there money within the law is their bisnuess,and the amount of money people usually make matters only to the IRS who help redistribute wealth from the productive private to public sector.
i personally dont care ,and dont sweat what people make,just dont stop others from having the same oppertunity and thats what dr.paul offers ,that you be secure in life,liberty,and the fruits of your labor.

 

[zymos]

Cannabunker- I did- did you check out the link I posted about text analysis? Interesting stuff, even if inconclusive.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

"Ron Paul has built an entire political career off of pandering to the paranoid and hate filled when he thinks no one is looking, as his numerous appearances on the Alex Jones show will attest. The suggestion that he somehow broke with this tradition when it came to his own newsletter simply beggars the imagination."

Wondering if the writer noticed the degrees of concern. In the second video, Paul mentions "coverup" as if the government is complicit in knocking down buildings. But as he explains, an FBI agent reported multiple times of men learning to fly planes but not land.

This infers ineptness, not intent.

In the third video, Paul looks warily over both shoulders before responding that the Fed and the Trilateral Commission are actually complicit.

I'm not saying Paul is crazy and I'm not even implying crazy-like-a-fox. But that phrase reminds me how Ron Paul appears - crafty. There's a word for it in politics, it called pandering. One crowd gets theories of ineptness and the other implies motive.

IMO, the writer was clever to point out that Paul recognizes where to stick a sock in it yet he can't help himself, even coughing the latest conspiracy on national television. Another part shows Paul admitting he's yet to uncover a particular plot because he's moved on to later and greater conspiracies. Poor guy, he's obsessed.

 

[itisme]

I'd rather read about the NWO and the illuminati than rehash the newsletters, AGAIN, even if it is a fringe topic. Bring some new insight into the newsletter arena, and I'll be glad to discuss it with you.

Thanks, I see more truth in those things than Ron Paul being a Racist. I kmow we have a Illuminati thread so I have lost nothing. Many people on this site will call you crazy for beleiving in God too. There loss, not mine.

 

[draztik]

Zymos, who do you think would make a good president? Are you a republican or a democrat? I personally don't care for those labels because both parties are controlled by an oligarchy which uses the media to dumb you down and keep you fighting and worrying about issues that are meant to boggle the minds of fools for eternity. Most folks are completely unaware of this controlled left right paradigm. They will dismiss reality with phrases like "conspiracy theory". No matter how many facts are presented they will never do their due diligence to understand reality. This is called cognitive dissonance. It's much easier to have reality presented to you in a magazine or newspaper or from a news program all owned by the same conglomerate. Television is detrimental on your attention span and critical thinking skills. You are being robbed of your creativity. Psychology has been mastered and Pavlovian techniques are being used to engineer society. I am sorry for those who can not wrap their brains around the information. Reality is stranger than fiction.

 

[bentom187]

im pretty sure when people refer to conspiricies and theorist, its usually just to discredit them,for having new ideas. this is done in science as well.
i would have to argue the only rebuttle one usually makes is main stream and not anything that would discredit him besides name calling.
even the neo-cons on both sides are hard pressed and havnt, outright proved him wrong without name calling.
even using the term conspiricy,when brought up is automaticly negitive from peoples perspective and leaves a bias image in their mind.

 

[draztik]

im pretty sure when people refer to conspiricies and theorist, its usually just to discredit them,for having new ideas. this is done in science as well.
i would have to argue the only rebuttle one usually makes is main stream and not anything that would discredit him besides name calling.
even the neo-cons on both sides are hard pressed and havnt, outright proved him wrong without name calling.
even using the term conspiricy,when brought up is automaticly negitive from peoples perspective and leaves a bias image in their mind.

I agree. The thought of a conspiracy could never be a possibility in their minds. That's a perfect example of Pavlovian conditioning.

 

[itisme]

They will dismiss reality with phrases like "conspiracy theory". No matter how many facts are presented they will never do their due diligence to understand reality. This is called cognitive dissonance.

I am sorry for those who can not wrap their brains around the information. Reality is stranger than fiction.

Great post!

So so true. Reality is far crazier than fiction.

 

[ShroomDr]

I got 200 pages of evidence showing he has no interest in the real issues.
He STFU about them around page 40-50 because I shut him down on them.
Now I am ignoring him and he is trying to bring me out.....He is a troll, no way around it.

Any Ron Paul supporter should not reply to DISCO or ZYMOS for sure,,..ShroomDrr is on my list but he hasn't got as much info against him as the other two, but he seems to be rowing in the same direction.

Where was i shut down, or better yet, when did itisme form a coherent response to addressing ANY of the facts ive raised?

Pages numbers are arbitrary, post numbers are not.

Does anyone doubt that JJScorpio was talking about you?

 

[bentom187]

alright ,im out ,the debates are in 4 minutes,time to watch the propaganda box.

 

[THCphd420]

Its been a minute since iv'e been on this thread, and dont feel like re reading 200 pages to find the answer.

Discobiscut who did you decide to vote for? Or are you still just hating on all, but supporting no one?

 

[itisme]

I HATE cnn. They ask Romney about Santorm, then give Santorm more time to speak as retort. Then the same wtih Newt. They always try to minimize Dr. Paul.

FAKE! Yes you Santorm.

Discobiscut who did you decide to vote for? Or are you still just hating on all, but supporting no one?

Yes. Obama but it was hard for him. He was under the desk a lot and didn't really want to leave.

Romney is stairing at Newt w/ stars in his eyes.

 

[ShroomDr]

22 minutes in, who has talked more Dr Paul or Newt?

Can i have what youre smoking?