Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[floppyfundanglr]

how early could i get a male spread pollen if i wanted to cross it with another earlier flowering strain? Thanks by the way.

peace

 

[muddy waters]

Yeah BH thank you, those are valuable observations... So the figures you're using for time from sprout to beginning of flower include 24 hour periods? I don't have much experience with using 24 hour light with sativas, but I have one of the Swazis cloned under 24h now so it will be interesting to see how the flowering and 'pre-flowering stretch' times change, working from clone and with 24h light prior to beginning the dark cycle.

When mine showed preflowers already at the 5th or 6th node under 12/12 from the start, and began to stretch, about 3 weeks from sprout, I was thinking these Swazis since they aren't equatorial (30'S) were gonna flower quickly. I was scared i was gonna have tiny one cola sativas. Then I watched them grow like crazy for 7, 8 weeks after that without any sign of flowering. This strikes me as the behavior of most true landrace and landrace-derived sativa, this crazy long period between "veg" and flowerset (indoors)...

We've talked about the CG before, but do you know which Haze they used for the Zamal x Haze? I'm guessing one of the newer Dutchies and not the old school 20 weeker (ie a Neville's to bring down the flowering time of the Zamal)... That would be my humble theory to explain your lower times 'til flower--quicker flowering genetics in there somewhere. But I would have to try 24h technique from seed to know if that made for quicker flowering, hard to imagine it would but...

 

[muddy waters]

how early could i get a male spread pollen if i wanted to cross it with another earlier flowering strain?

pretty strain-specific... like i wrote above I had a pure Swazi male bursting around 35 or 40 days from sprout. On the other hand have a pure indica male that still hasn't formed full pollen sacks at day 50... It's genetic, it seems different strains react differently to the environmental conditions such as photoperiod and substrate volume and composition.

 

[muddy waters]

i have some mexican bagseed that i have on a 12/12 light cycle from seed. Im curious how these might grow. THere is some variation in traits among some of the seedlings ranging from looking absolutly sativa to a wider leafed bigger phenos so theyre is some hybridization. what are some ranges for flowering time and when would it start if it was 12/12 from seed. I guess it shouldnt be equitorial so hopefully not too long. Also if some are indica influenced i guess 7-10 weeks? What do you all think?

7-10 weeks flower or 7-10 weeks from sprout to beginning of flowerset? If I understand correctly you're asking how long from sprout to beginning of flower.

I think if you start them under 12/12 and keep the container sizes static between veg and flower, then anything from 4 weeks (common for modern indica-dom hybrids) to 11 or 12 weeks (landrace sativa side of spectrum) is possible, counting from sprout to the end of the stretch period and beginning of actual flower. If I had to guess, 7-10 weeks sounds reasonable. Then probably 7-8 weeks of flower, in other words shouldn't go over 5 months from sprout to chop. But that's a guess.

 

[floppyfundanglr]

if they make it that long, well ill be proud otherwise i want a guy to give his influence and ill see what i get later. maybe down the road i can work something out and get the time to fully flower one of thse atleast ill see how it grows. I have some other sativa influenced seeds that could go well with the genetics. thanks for the help.

peace

 

[Herbalistic]

Ok, here´s some pic´s as promised!

First the the dry Neville´s Haze, here´s about 4/6 of the yield! Check out the color of the bud´s resulting from different drying method experiment, I think it´s pretty cool :



And the big OH x SK#1 shemale:





And the "new" NH:



Im sorry guys about these lowquality pic´s, but the camera is what it is, so...

I am exited if your girdling experiment is going to success BH. If you have space, I recommend to put that girdled CG in separate space from other flowering plants in case it stresses too much and throws nanners that pollinate the whole crop...

I hope everybody are enjoying nice sunday!!!

 

[bonecarver_OG]

herbalistic - did u dry them in sunlight or something to get them that brownish/yellow?

peace

 

[Mad Scientist]

Lookin' good Herbalistic!

Here's some nugs from my previous Neville's Haze grow. A very different pheno...

 

[Herbalistic]

Yeah, I wrapped them into ovenpaper(<-dont know the word) and let em sweat real good for two days in closet before putting them behind my window (still wrapped) to get sunlight for a day, before putting them back in the closet and the same thing again without opening the wrap at the whole time. I didnt know what to expect, but there is this nice color and the aroma is very pleasant and I cannot spot any mold on them! The whole mold thing did came into my mind when I opened the wrap yesterday, now that would be a shame if almost the whole crop would be in mold..

This is how they did look before wrapping them up:

 

[bonecarver_OG]

fun method gonna give it a shot..

 

[Herbalistic]

Yeah Bone, you should try it, but I suggest you to open the wrap to see if there is any mold. I didnt realize this first and thanks to my good luck, I am going to enjoy "sweatdryed", but moldfree Neville´s very soon -> approximately in 10 minute´s

 

[bonecarver_OG]

hehe to get rid of the biggest risk of mould i would let it air dry untill its not wet - rather you know, sphonghy, and then start with the wrapping.

seriously, normally i do it pretty much like that, but i put the buds into a cardboard box to slow dry in darkness - this also takes away colour, but i definetly am going to try to dry in the sun as soon as i can.

peace man

 

[ojd]

hi herbalistic

is this drying method beter thang hanging in dark with a circulating fan,im just wondering
and also make sure you let us know how she is smoking
she looks lovely

 

[bonecarver_OG]

mad scientist - indeed a very chunky pheno.. looks more indica hybrid than sativa.. but awesome nugs!


super G (west coast santa marta gold hybrid)






cheese/trainwreck - a more trainwrecky looking pheno to me - with those typical grenade shaped buds

 

[ojd]

hi bonecarver that super g is looking very exotic

and the cheese/trainwreck just looks dank

 

[Guest]

I really like the looks of that Super G bone, particularly the way it has retained the Colombian bud formation but much beefier calyxes and a much improver calyx to leaf ratio. The colour has turned more lime green as well.Thanks for showing that, that is the kind of hybrid I am aiming for with the Colombian Gold x Grapefruitbowl cross I'm working on. I'm looking for the most CG leaning individuals among the F2s at the moment.

Here's some pure CG for comparison. Notice all those little bud leaves typical of a pure sat, bone's hybrid has done away with these while increasing the bud size, you can see how bone's buds have fat, chunky bud leaves more widely interspersed than the masses of thin small bud leaves on the original.

Have you got any pictures of the plant that bud came from bone? I'm fascinated!

 

[Guest]

Forgot to say, herbalistic, I am going to try your drying method with one of my two Colombians as i have no doubt they will not mould having such an open structure and coming from a very humid tropical climate they are adapted to high humidity.

I'm not worried about the girdled CG throwing nanners, I have stressed clones of this CG to extremes in several ways over the last couple of years and no nanners whatsoever, I partly did this to test if it had an intersex trait before knowing whether it was suitable for breeding.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i dont really take plants out of the flowering space because of the dificulties etc so no pics of the whole plant - sorry

 

[Herbalistic]

Mad Scientist: Those buds look denser than mine. Which breeder offer it is?

OJD: I really think that your method is better when it comes to drying. I consider this as a potential moldrisk if you aint take care of the ventilation of the wrap. However, eventhought it takes moisture inside the wrap in couple first days, it dryes from the surface pretty fast when receiving sunlight and moisture inside wrap disapears fast too. So, I think that very high humidity and quick drying is the trick in this technique..

BH, I do also think that the CG would like this method. This Neville pheno has similar budstructure.

Bone, I think that the change is so dramatic because the buds were wrapped right after the chop & trim. However, letting little air out day by day will keep mold away. At least I would think so...

BTW: Here´s my Neville´s cut growed by friend, he got space, so he let it grow vertical. This plant is in 2 L pot and is about 5 weeks old:



As you can see, it has classic sativa structure and it stretches crazy, if let it do so! It had stretched about 10 cm in 4 day´s and it isnt even flowering! Maybe you guys understand my bonsai growing in small space...

And here is a very delightful surprise, an unknown autoflower, that shows sativa charasterics, check it out guy´s. This plant is from a joint project with a friend. I was gifted 12 beans (?I think so???) and we are going to pollinate this autoflowering plant with Kali Most pollen and pick the autoflowering one´s out and increase the autoflowering trait in following generations. So, we should have nice autoflowering sativa hybrid for next summer outdoor. These were supposed to put outside, put they started flowering so early, that we decided to do them inside. Check out guys:





What you guys think about this one?

 

[Guest]

I've always been interested in different post-harvest drying/curing methods, I would like to try and replicate the traditional techniques for something approaching an authentic smoke experience, techniques such as girdling the Colombian, and would like to try making my own Malawi Gold cob by wrapping a cola in banana leaves and burying. Zamalito was going to try this method out a while back, don't know if he had any success.

No worries on the pics bone, I have the same problem myself.