Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[muddy waters]

wauii234, to flower a pure sativa indoors in a limited space, the cultivator can use several methods.

one is restricting container size. i am currently flowering two pure swaziland females under 250w and have chosen containers that provide little more than a liter of useable substrate. if i hadn't trained them, they'd be less than a meter tall at flower.

another method is training branches downward, to create a relatively even, low profiled 'bush'. training can be accomplished in a variety of ways, i use wire and small holes on the outside of my containers. sometimes i simply snap stems, which most plants show little problem recovering from.

a third method which i also employ is to begin the sativa seeds on an equatorial 12-12 (or 11-13) light period, which will not induce flowering immediately, but rather direct the plant into flowering as soon as its metabolism allows. in the case of my swazis, this was a period of about 80 days from seed. without an artificial veg period, the final size of your sativa will almost certainly be smaller than if given the customary 2-4 weeks in 24 hour light.

indoor sativa growing isn't for everyone but it is by no means impossible (*with most strains)

 

[DRKN_MNKY420]

Wow Motaco, GREAT THREAD!

I read the first 20 posts and just had to add a comment. You really know alot about the business aspect of international sativas.

I will continue to read more post, just might take a few weeks to get all 84 pages in.

I also wanted to share my bagseed plant that I have no idea what, when or where I got this seed from.

Please check out my whole grow if you would like to, but I am pretty sure I have one sativa and three indicas. My first grow also.


Thank you for all the great info. Any feedback on my grow is very appreciated as I will soon be starting my new grow w/ Early Pearl/Northern Light.

Peace, DRKN_MNKY420

 

[Herbalistic]

Oblidio49, you can grow almost any sativa, if you train it hard! Just check my Neville´s Haze training, I post pics from a friends Neville´s Haze in couple days(the same I have), that I gifted him. It is a classical sativa without training and stretche´s awful lotCheck out seedsman gear, if you want real sativa cheap!

 

[motaco]

@ Drunken Monkey. thanks. and welcome. your plants look pretty cool there. I like the pink pistils.

@Oblido. sure no prob. thats one of my reasons for starting these threads is to help the people that remember sativas realize what they were and find them again. Doing a haze 12/12 from seed would be very hard to keep height in that range but you can do it easily if you bush one out like Herbalistic has done a few posts back. and you don't have to LST or anything if you don't like, just super crop it. ( cut the growth tips a bunch of times and it makes a little short round bush)


If you haven't had one you should try one of the many haze hybrids available. Many are really good and cut the flowering time of haze into a third and add stability; and they are still really great sativa stone plants.

Haze is great but Hays is a better description. It can take a few plants to find a good haze mom and they make alot of bunk weed that takes forever to finish with it. Thats why I always laugh when people say they don't wanna grow jack herer because you gotta do some searching to find a good haze pheno. because believe me you gotta do some searching in pure haze to get a good haze pheno, and it takes ALOT longer, than to find a good jack pheno.

But if your looking to flower from seed alot hawaiians are great and stay real short. and mexicans stay a good heigh usually from seed too.

 

[Guest]

I agree with what muddy said, growing sativas inside is perfectly possible, it just requires some different techniques.

I also agree about what motaco said about Haze - with pure Haze you have to find the best plants as maybe 15-10% are top notch, the rest average or slightly below. With the new releases of older Haze lines some new possibilities for a great Haze are probably going to be available.

I also agree about Haze hybrids, some are truly great such as Super Silver Haze, Neville's Haze is also top otch imho.

 

[Guest]

Both the 12/12 from seed and LST methods work great with sativas. Considering with an indica dom plant you'd probably veg for 30-60 days then flower for another 60 days, you're looking at 120 days from seed to harvest, you can easily achieve a harvest in 120 days with a sativa, just flower it from day one of sprouting abouve the soil, it will take maybe 30 days to start flowering, but there are many sativas that will then be ready to harvest after a total of 120 days. No veg time means much shorter, more manageable plants.

 

[Guest]

Hi Obli

I reckon it is best to start off in the pots you are goign to finish in if doing 12/12 from seed, it's how I've always done it. i tend to use small pots as this means the plants start shorter and helpts them to begin flowering as they run out of rootspace. I'd say about 1 gallon is enough soil for the size space you have, figure out how many containers of roughly that size you can fit in your space, and that will give you some idea of how many you can fit in there. Square pots would allow you to fit more in. Maybe 3 litre plastic bottles with the tops cut off and covered in tape or plastic to make them light proof would work, I'm trying out 2-litre bottles using coco to grow some sativa's 12/12 from seed, had a setback as the seedlings damped off and died, but I'm persevering!

PM me an I might be able to help with some strain selections.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I also think foliar feeding helps restricting the roots to their small pot when applying this tactic. There's even growth retarding sprays available out there, though I've never tried those.

 

[motaco]

BH and I have slightly different methods of 12/12'n from seed but at this point that is probably your best bet. Like BH said a gallon per plant is going to be plenty enough soil. maybe even too much. My personal theory is you start them off small and move into gradually larger pots. like a party cup to a half gallon and then to a whole gallon. I let the rootball fill a bit before I transplant. I've just personally found if they get all the soil at once, in the first three weeks they get more stem and less nodes.

but in all honesty in pots that small its probably six one way; half a dozen the other.

as for strain selection, well if you 12/12'n from seed its hard to beat haze/skunk or haze/nl. and I think they have both of them at nirvana. So thats what I'd reccomend. spend 50 bucks or whatever at gypsy and get you some mixed packs of whatever sounds nice to you. some haze hybrids, a swazi or a hawaiian, whatever. it should work out fine for you. 90 days from seed popping you should be tokin sativa. and hazes will give you that paranoia, trippiness and energy you're lookin for.

with a 400w it should be totally within reason to get at least a 200g sativa harvest from it. But I would stay away from c99. especially straight from seed; it'll probably be too short. I don't mean to diss on c99, its great weed for alot of folks, and is probably my favorite ever wake and bake pot. its like a cup of coffee. But... its kinda generic and indica-esque. its just enough sativa to not make you tired but no real sativa conniseur is going to really call c99 a sat. its what passes as a sat to these guys that weren't around for the sativa years. I honestly think most of them just don't know any better. But with you having been there and already experienced good sats, I'd go with a better hybrid.

and we can help you along the way. they have little grower tips like squeezing the stem to keep vertical height down. main thing is to watch soil space and the amount of N they get. N will turn sativa into stem before your eyes. Literally you put N on a hungry haze and you can watch the damn thing grow. it'll move a couple inches in a day.

 

[Guest]

But I would stay away from c99. especially straight from seed; it'll probably be too short. I don't mean to diss on c99, its great weed for alot of folks, and is probably my favorite ever wake and bake pot. its like a cup of coffee. But... its kinda generic and indica-esque. its just enough sativa to not make you tired but no real sativa conniseur is going to really call c99 a sat.

can pure original brothers grimm c-99 be described as "generic & indica-esque" ??

... c'mon dude no way ... just my humble opinion & i respect yours

here is the mako haze flowering ... very sativa

 

[JackKerouac]

Literally you put N on a hungry haze and you can watch the damn thing grow. it'll move a couple inches in a day.

Never have truer words been spoken. I have some rootbound Neville's at 100 days that is way behind and super stretched for this very reason.

CNS17 in coco is heavy on the Nitrogen in flower, which makes pure sativas a pain in the butt to say the least. I had really good luck with Technaflora's BC line in deep water with Neville's last run.

 

[motaco]

no prob, glad we could help. I heard the thaitanic is okay but nothing spectacular, and I heard the swazi safari was pretty good.

about the c99... lol; I know that would step on some toes. There are ALOT of people that LOVE c99; especially indoor sativa growers; but I'm just not one of them. When I say generic and indica-esque. I don't mean the strain is like a generic indica, I mean the amount of indica has taken the sativa umph out of it. It still has a sativa type high, I just don't find it to be that potent or unique. It gives just enough of a sativa kick to get you going and thats why I like it for a one bowl wake and bake.

Don't get me wrong its a high yielding plant that finishes in an indica window making a sativa stone available to colder climate growers, or small light growers, and that is a great thing. But IMHO I just don't find it holds a candle next to a real jack herer haze pheno or a sk/hz etc.

I know alot of people love c99 but most of the sativa growers I know usually prefer something else.

 

[Guest]

I think what motaco meant about C99 is that it isn't in the same category for type of high as many of the sativas we have been discussing. C99 is good smoke but compared to a heavily sativa influenced strain it's a pedestrian 'indica-esque' high.

Nirvana have a few good strains for the 12/12 from seed method and the price means its not too expensive a mistake is things go wrong. Mandala also have a couple of strains that should work - Satori and Kalichakra, KC Brain's Haze Special is really good and cheap.

Swazi Safari is Swazi x Skunk, never seen any grow reports. Nirvana's Swazi is really good though and cheaper, I think it is also a Swazi x Skunk hybrid. If you skip back a couple of pages there are some pictures of my Nirvana Swazi 12/12 from seed in a 2 litre pot, I'd definitely grow this one again as it was 10 out of 10 for ease of growth, not sensitive to water or nutes, just grew itself. Not the most potent but a very nice dreamy effect and I adored the flavour, like licourice, a nice spicy smoke. Thai-thaic is Thai x Skunk and I have read a lot of positive reports over the years. Kulu Seed's Thai is 15 bucks for a 5 pack and I found 3 phenos in mine, two I kept for a year as they were really nice fruity smoke with a heady effect I really liked, the taste was as nice as any smoke I can remember.

Thats a lovely looking Mako Haze. I enjoyed that one at the Dampkring back in April.

 

[Herbalistic]

Herbalistic what kind of stress delayed flowering were you worried about exactly? I've done it to a decent amount of strains and never had that problem honestly. The only ones that delayed flowering were strains that were predispositioned to veg'n under that light regime. = tropical sats that do so anyway. But I might me misunderstanding what you're asking or meant by that perhaps?

Example: If you overdose fertilizer N for example, it does affect harder to the plant that is flowered straight from seed than a plant that has received good vegtime. I mean, that it affects in both cases, but much serious for 12/12 from seed plant, or is it just Herbalistic imagination???

What do you think BH about the subject? Have you had any similar experiences?

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

good day everyone

good day everyone

colombian bagseed:










peace

 

[marijuanamat]

I've been growing a few mexiseeds michoacan#4,shes got slightly fatter leafs than my other sativas and flowers alot quicker than any sat i've grown at 9-10 weeks and has got massive fat calyxes and has a spicy/hashy smell and flavor to them and is fairly potent with a nice mellow up high.
I'm wondering if these sound genuine to you guys as i can't find any info on them anywere,anyway heres a few pics of 2 fems.

 

[motaco]

yeah 9-10 weeks sure sounds a lil fishy to me. looks pretty though.

@herbalistic- I can't say I've ever personally noticed that. Only in relation to plant size. (smaller plants get hit harder of course)

 

[Ganico]

What's up Paz? Is that Colombian in a 1L? Man thats huge for such a lil tiny pot. Especially since it ain't even full with soil, haha. Goddamn.

Or maybe it grew into the ground through the bottom?

 

[Guest]

That Michoacan looks really nice mat, but the buds look a bit too chunky and the flowering time ounds a bit too short for it to be a pure Mexican sativa. Zamalito knows a little about these guys, apparently they do have connections in Mexico and obtained the seeds there, they were also proud to have introduced lowryder seeds to mexican growers which just makes me screram, AF genes getting into the Mexican genepool! Anyways, I reckon what you have is a Mexican with a touch of something else added in, but that introduction wwas probably a long time ago and the strain has been inbred through having been grown in mexico for a couple of decades, maybe longer. The structure of your plant also looks like there is some indica influence in there, probably Afghan.

Herbalistic, I can't say I've noticed 12/12 from seed plants being more touchy to N, like all young seedlings, I hardly feed them at all, just a little seaweed extract, when growing 12/12 from seed however, I like to ammend the soil with lots of worm castings and a little bit of chick manure and blood fish and one in the bottom inch or two of soil, this way they get a good start and I only really have to feed them in flower. I give them a hit of PK13-14 just after they show sex and this seems to help them start flowering. I'm trying 12/12 from seed in coco shortly so my approach will be a little bit different from my soil ones.

 

[Guest]

nice michoacan mat, it does look a bit heavy for a pure mexi sativa though. beautiful none the less!

Zamalito knows a little about these guys, apparently they do have connections in Mexico and obtained the seeds there, they were also proud to have introduced lowryder seeds to mexican growers which just makes me screram, AF genes getting into the Mexican genepool!

that kinda makes me want to cry! mexican genetics have already been ruined in most locations. we're lucky that what few pure ones we have are around.

here's some outdoor acapulco gold action:



one that revegged after an early attempt to flower: