Revised Vertical Areo

[sticky icky]

hey bb not to bust your balls but when you get the time would you mind postin some picks when you build your 2nd system. I know you already posted, a lot of how to picks but just curious on what your changin. Thanks

SI

 

[betterboy]

yea can do, back problems slowing things down right now, these new ones are gonna tale a lot less work to build, much easier, cheaper to build to . will get some up tuesday

 

[payn4school]

Gotta love the inginuety of your grow, excellent work bro! What misters did you decide to go with and where did ya get em?

 

[betterboy]

havent got the pics yet ,sorry , gonna try to get a few up tonight.
payn4school. Just trimmed up my grow inded up with 65.25 oz. still havent hit my 5 LB. mark yet,
got them from dripworks, cheaper to buy on line as opposed to ordering from their catalog, 68 cents ea. on line $1.10 ea if ya call the order in.

 

[betterboy]

http://www.dripirrigation.com/advan...cription=0&s=1&keywords=mister&sort=2a&page=2
the 1 GPH is the sprayers i use, ya have to use a 200 mesh filter for these though

 

[sticky icky]

bb 4 elbows on 1800 watts is awesome. If my math is right you hit the gram per watt mark like dead nutts very respectable. as far a pics go take your time I just really appreciate you doing it at all. Also did you veg for a couple days our are you doing that next run can't remeber. sit back and enjoy at least the trimming is done. You makin bubble. Later SI

 

[Dreamscape]

Hey BB

Its been a while ... Glad to see all is well .... Once again , always impressed with this animal.

Best of luck bro
~ Dream

 

[betterboy]

sorry the pics arent here yet guys, having a real problem with my back, havent gotten any thing done since last week, this last crop vegged 6 days before turnning the lights back to 12/12. Maybe should have dried the bud another 1/2 day but was really close, last grow was actually crispy, to dry got 3.75 lbs off that one.
With a smaller diameter on these im now building, I think 6 day veg will be perfect, these are 42" across and 6 tiers high. hope to get pics up real soon.

 

[betterboy]

oh yea, BUBBLE!
got bout 20 LBS, of the small leafs from next to the bud, full of
crystal, t6hinking of ordering some bags, watched the bubble video last week, looks like a lot work for a small amt. of product, never made it before

 

[DrawoH]

hey BB,,, i use the bubbleator,,, its a bit less work...

 

[betterboy]

Draw is that the washing machine ?
fred
I always use 1 min on and 5 off, with these misters and that cycle it keeps the roots wet with out over watering

 

[gunnaknow]

Hi BB, how do you think your setup compares to the cage or the cube? I have heard of silly figures like 3.9 gpw from the cube. That sounds like some kind of data error to me. Whilst such figures sound like madness, I would expect well over 1gpw from a well designed vertical system, otherwise it doesn't seem worth it.

You yielded 3.75 lbs from 2kw which is 0.85 gpw. I guess that's not bad because you are still trying to get your system dialed in. However, your 5lb goal is only 1.14 gpw. For a flat garden that would be truly exceptional but I would kind of be expecting a little more from vertical. 1.25 gpw sounds worth the time and effort of switching to vertical, which would be 5.5 lbs from 2kw. Or do you think that my expectations are unrealistic? Or perhaps TAG is slightly better for cloning/vegging than flowering because it causes so much of the plants' energy to go into forming massive root systems.

Can you remind me of which strain you are using BB? Perhaps you should give a strain called Mummia from Growdoc a try. It's extremely short, fat stature sounds perfect for vertical systems. Serious bud porn from post 13 onwards....

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12507&highlight=mummia

Have you thought about using a PGR like Bush Master, phosphoload or Rock juice?

Bush Master is great for vert gardens and height constricted areas, i use it on everything. Haven't seen much yeild increase on flat gardens with it, just quicker turnover. It cuts like 2 to 3 weeks off finishing time. Makes a major yeild difference in vert growing though, i wouldn't grow vert without it.

Without BM around 0.7 to 0.8 gpw dried
With BM 1.2 gpw dried
These are vert garden figures, I still haven't dialed it in on flat gardens yet but my goal is to get 1 gpw on a flat sog

Thanks

Gunna

 

[betterboy]

Fred;
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. the 4" pipe octagon shape still the same, just changing the feed bar, its really a pain to drill and tap all those holes in the pvc so im going to a 1/2"rolled tubing and just punch where i need the take offs. The 2 units im working on right now is 42" dia. instead of the 48"

Gunn
I have what is supose to be a high yeilding plant, and they do pretty good, I use HDF, and HOG and usually throw in a few blueberry(NOT) a big yeilder. When growing a SOG type grow I really doubt anyone gets above 1GPW- 1.25 GPW. but there is so many factors to consider, how dry is the bud? how long vegged ect. not to mention the ones that arn't quite honest bout their bud weight. I talked to a friend that grows tag, 2 tables with 4 1000hps gets 5-8 LBS . When I was growing scrog , with 2 plants and a 400 hps I pulled right at 700 grams, sounds good dont it? nope! I vegged it like forever. so all in all I like sog and vertical growing using all my lighting, but i still keep my F&D tables going to

 

[gunnaknow]

Hi BB, when I said 1.25 gpw, I was talking about vertical not SOG. Very few people could ever get that with SOG. A target of 1.14 gpw (5 LBS) isn't much over the target of flat garden growing though. I thought that you would be expecting a little more than that, when everything is dialed in. It looks like I might have overestimated vertical growing. Perhaps it is only slightly more productive than flat gardening. I've heard ridiculously high figures for vert yields and have taken them with a pinch of salt but I wasn't expecting to hear that vert is only marginally more productive than flat.

What are the dimensions of your tower? Might you be giving them too much light for them to use efficiently? I wonder if the GPW efficiency would go up if you switched to 2 x 600w. Your construction is still as impressive as it get's BB.

 

[sticky icky]

hey bb i'm not forgetting about you buddy this guy keeps posting on your thread about what he hears, not what he does. don't let it bother you. i know your backs hurtin you so take your time with this thread, but i'll be lurking until your ready to share. later SI

 

[gunnaknow]

Who are you talking about Sticky Icky? If you're talking about me, I haven't said a bad word about BB's work, I think it's fantastic. The gripe I have is with other people who have misled people into believing that vertical yields much better than it really does. Well, unless BB's target of 5 lbs is on the low side of what is really achievable with vert, or there is another vert system which does even better. BB's system looks like it is one of the better vert systems I've seen, so I doubt the latter. Vert looks to be potentially better than flat, just not by as much as some would have us believe.

 

[betterboy]

Back on my feet and back to work on my new project, doc gave me some killer pain pills. Im sure no one meant any disrespect here. Im not sure how some of these guys are getting such high weights, I've grown for many years 20+,I dont know If Im drying mine more than these others or what but I get some rock hard nuggets and some real donky dicks, All I can tell ya is my weights are honest weights, no hype just facts.I've been there many times where I've built a system i have seen on fourms expecting these outragious weights using the same of everything and ownly to just be disappointed . I personally like SOG grows, and since im basically lazy im always into the low maintance type grows, guess thats why i like F&D, The vertical units i've built are pretty much low maintance after their up and running, just have to keep an eye on the misters for the first week. The biggest problem I've had is leaks and this is what im hoping to solve with the new design of the feed bar.
Gunnaknow
I really cant say much bout the other vertical systems because Ive never tryed them myself, some of those systems hold as many as 300 plants but i can tell ya this, for the plant # and light amt. Im using and for the fact im using a small amount of floor space and 360 degree of light i think it can be a good system. My goal now Is to make easyer and cheaper to build and max out the bud output.
well gotta go get to work done so i can get some pics up for you guys, the first pics will just be of the smaller size oct. hope to get the feeders started today and have some materals comming in tommorrow afternoon

 

[betterboy]

IM not sure where i need to start these pics, basically its the same as the last oct built other than being smaller in dia. but guess i can give some measurements

 

[betterboy]

The pic 3&4 ownly the top side is glued in so the bottom 1/2 slides into the top of the lower octagon, this is so all sections come apart
pic # 5 & 6 shows the top uses a 4" tee instead of a cross and just plugs in to each other
pic 7 shows what im gonna use for my feed bar, im using a plastic clip to hold these on the oct sides, hope to get some of the pics of that tommorrow
The last pics shows the fittings im gonna use to take down to the pump

 

[somoz]

lookin good betterboy....keep dem pics comin......show these folks what you're up to!
thanks for sharin your designs..........moz