My female, that I have been saying looks really hazey, it looks a lot like this male. Mine's a girl tho
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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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My female, that I have been saying looks really hazey, it looks a lot like this male. Mine's a girl tho
Camphene, I believe. I came to the conclusion because Camphene is, according to experts, the dominant terpene in actual Frankincense.
I looked at terpene profiles on Greenhouse seeds site and the strains you would imagine - SSH, NH etc, have significantly more Camphene.
I haven't got around to it but I planned to buy some Camphor essential oil and burn some and see what I can smell. Maybe add some to the res or failing that mist the plants with it lol
JohnnyChicago
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My female, that I have been saying looks really hazey, it looks a lot like this male. Mine's a girl tho
That's my Original Haze father
How's the smell on your female?I think I will germ few OH seeds, only to see if I'm able to find that "interesting smell" again.
Would be nice to see pics of your friends TH and Seedsman's Haze grow. The leafs of Seedsman's Haze are narrower compared to my 93' Positronics Hazes. Same for THH that came from Positronics too. Thats why I was wondering that your friend said they are almost identical. But I may be wrong, 1993 is a long time ago
This was a Seedsmans OHaze with keeper potential.
Your link doesn't list all terpenes in frankincense - its categorising types of frankincense by chemotypes that distinguish them form each other - they ALL have Camphene in addition.
Just google "Camphene Frankincense" and you will see countless sources to confirm Camphenes presence and role in frankincense.
but I was talking about terps, not look. terps are very similar for nevilles, mangohaze, old timer haze or thh. so thats why I wonder you think seedsman haze is so different.Would be nice to see pics of your friends TH and Seedsman's Haze grow. The leafs of Seedsman's Haze are narrower compared to my 93' Positronics Hazes. Same for THH that came from Positronics too. Thats why I was wondering that your friend said they are almost identical. But I may be wrong, 1993 is a long time ago
This was a Seedsmans OHaze with keeper potential.
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Small amount, big difference I guess. Look how small the amounts of many terpenes are in both cannabis and frankincense - small cogs maybe but they have a job to do and make the difference between one thing and another, the subtle differences.
The terpenes that are in large amounts like alpha pinene we already know aren't responsible because they are in all strains in large amounts. the others like Amyrin aren't even found in cannabis terpene profiles.
Anyway, I only said it was a suspicion but it does fit better than any other suspect. It could be the way a minor terpene modifies a major terpene. Camphene may interact with pinene maybe.
Its the combination of terpenes together which gives the fragrance, just like in a Perfume, but certainly don't think that Camphene is the key constituent responsible for the typical fragrance of Frankincense, when you see how small the amount is.
Boswellia sacra (α-pinene CT)
α-Pinene 10.3–51.3%
α-Phellandrene 0–41.8%
(+)-Limonene 6.0–21.9%
β-Myrcene 0–20.7%
β-Pinene 0–9.1%
β-Caryophyllene 1.9–7.5%
p-Cymene 0–7.5%
Terpinen-4-ol 0–6.9%
Verbenone 0–6.5%
Sabinene 0–5.5%
Linalool 0–5.4%
α-Thujene 0–4.5%
Bornyl acetate 0–2.9%
δ-3-Carene 0–2.6%
δ-Cadinene 0–2.3%
Camphene 0–2.0%
α-Caryophyllene 0–1.8%
Campholenic aldehyde 0–1.5%
Octyl acetate 0–1.5%
Caryophyllene oxide 0–1.4%
α-Copaene 0–1.4%
Calamenene 0–1.3%
Thujol 0–1.2%
1,8-Cineole 0–1.0%
(E)-Cinnamyl acetate 0–1.0%
(Hall 2000)
Boswellia papyrifera
Octyl acetate 50.0–60.0%
1-Octanol 3.5–12.7%
Terpinen-4-ol 0–8.0%
(+)-Limonene 1.7–5.0%
α-Pinene 1.0–4.6%
Incensyl acetate 3.0–4.1%
Cadinol 0–3.0%
Incensol 2.1–2.7%
Thymol 0–2.6%
Linalool 0.2–2.5%
Cembrene A 1.4–2.3%
Isocembrene 0–1.8%
1,8-Cineole 0–1.6%
(E)-β-Ocimene 1.3–5%
α-Thujene 0–1.4%
Bornyl acetate 1.0–.1%
Camphene 0–1.1%
(Tucker 1986; Lawrence 1995g p. 20–23; Hall 2000)
Thats pretty much what I said about combinations.
The low level of Camphene in THOSE plants they tested means nothing to the debate. If it was a terpene that was present in most plants in significant levels, frankincense smelling strains wouldn't be rare, but they are. It could well be that when you get one of the old Nevilles with heavy frankincense and terpene profile THAT.. you get more than 0 to 2 percent quoted. It will be a terpene that is normally only present in tiny amounts in most plants and significantly higher in a very few. I can only confirm it when I get a frankincense plant to test but I will not be surprised if Camphene is higher in them.
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I think that certain terpenes, when found in the tiniest amount, can have the biggest impact.
Thats true but the defining characteristic of the terpene in question is its scarcity or absence in most plants. Thats why we can rule out all of the commonly found major terpenes and we are left with the minor terpenes like Camphene. We can also rule out most of those because they don't show up in frankincense terpene profiles. When you only consider minor terpenes that are common to both cannabis and frankincense, you are over the target. Camphene is the only one I see that meets those criteria. It is also described as earthy, woody, musky and pungent which all a little too much for coincidence I suspect. Im desperate to clear this up either way so I'm going to go to a shop and smell some camphor oil burning tomorrow.
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So Camphene doesn't produce a camphor flavor?
My OG x Mango Haze is incense, but not Frankie.
It has mega Myrcene.
How about Incensol?
My OG x Mango Haze is incense, but not Frankie.
It has mega Myrcene.
How about Incensol?
42.5% diterpenes are found in Frankincense.Incensole Acetate for example is found in B.carterii, B.sacra and B.papyrifera.I've got the resin of those 3.
Is there analysis of diterpenes besides cannabinoids, phytol found in Cannabis?
JohnnyChicago
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Have you ever experienced rootbeer in MNS, Ace,TH or OT Hazes? Not me. 95% of my Seedsmans females were sweet, very rootbeerish and the smoke was earthy peppery incense. There are to much contradicting things written on this subject on forums. I do prefer grow out seeds to make my own opinion.
Where I'm finding similar terps to the 90s Hazes is in the progeny of 2 Seedsmans males.
however, it is a shame that no seedbanks sells the original haze anymore....
I meaning the PURE o.Haze...
Indoor hybrids are a more profitable investment of seed companies time and other resources. Only the most passionate, haze heads like Ace seeds, Tom Hill, Sam S and a few other boutique breeders are committed to releasing proper Hazes.
I suspect a lot of the breeders who sell this or that haze don't even make them with pure hazes - NL or Skunk haze crosses, crossed more likely.
