question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Dirt Life]

Here you go....tom was never around wen haze first became available at poss

Any way you can post a link to that post? I would like to read the whole thing. I asked SamS that when I went by the handle "ManyClouds", and that was the answer I got. But since then, I've also seen SamS say that he wasn't sure if he gave them the cutting or seeds of the cutting. Either way, I would really like to see that whole post and what preceeded it please. Thanks, DarkStorm.

 

[Dr.Young]

Man.... thats the stuff im lookin for hempy... my goodness... Havent seen you post that pic before... She is the grail.

 

[herbgreen]

I think THhaze is "haze" it was open pollination He did the reproduction in a 10 x 20 tent I remember the pictures here on IG

I dont think there is deep chunk in THH

Deep chunk is dominate in crosses and takes over No way there is Deep chuck in THH

This is what I could find on THH and haze 19........I dont know where its from or who asked this question.... other than IG

Question:

I have a haze question that's really for haze afficinados in general... What traits did the original haze #19 have that it was selected for? Was it stouter, stronger, smellier, colorful, ect... I've done multitudes of searches, read alot, not sure how much is conjecture and how much is fact. Basically, why was the 19th plant out of however many plants were grown, chosen?

Figured if somebody out there knows, or could direct me to places that I could research myself, this would be the place to ask.

P.S. ~ I've read this entire thread before, and Sam S. specifically said the haze #19 was a wernard/positronic selection, I believe.

Thanks for any and all help!

Answer:

Haze 19 was grown by me, I just numbered my Haze seedlings 1-1000, #19 is what they were interested in, If I remember correctly they used seeds from Haze 19 to make their line, I don't think it was a Haze 19 clone I gave them....-SamS

 

[herbgreen]

I found another quote.....

"The 2003 seed lot was around (notes are not currently handy) 2-7 generations removed from Positronic stock. Let me try to explain a little better. Each year I pollinated females with male pollen mixes, then saved the seed from only the excellent females after the smoke was tested. In 2003, I gathered seed from all of the best plants from generations 1-6, grew them, and let them pollinate each other. Follow?[/FONT]
[FONT="verdana\]But it gets more complicated, because each year I typically will sprout several generations of seed, not only seed from the latest generation. So that a high percentage of the later generations are products of matings to earlier generations. IE, there is a span of generations included, as apposed to an exact number of generations removed from the original source. -Tom"

 

[goingrey]

I think THhaze is "haze" it was open pollination He did the reproduction in a 10 x 20 tent I remember the pictures here on IG

I dont think there is deep chunk in THH

Deep chunk is dominate in crosses and takes over No way there is Deep chuck in THH

This is what I could find on THH and haze 19........I dont know where its from or who asked this question.... other than IG

Question:

I have a haze question that's really for haze afficinados in general... What traits did the original haze #19 have that it was selected for? Was it stouter, stronger, smellier, colorful, ect... I've done multitudes of searches, read alot, not sure how much is conjecture and how much is fact. Basically, why was the 19th plant out of however many plants were grown, chosen?

Figured if somebody out there knows, or could direct me to places that I could research myself, this would be the place to ask.

P.S. ~ I've read this entire thread before, and Sam S. specifically said the haze #19 was a wernard/positronic selection, I believe.

Thanks for any and all help!


Answer:


[FONT="verdana\]Haze 19 was grown by me, I just numbered my Haze seedlings 1-1000, #19 is what they were interested in, If I remember correctly they used seeds from Haze 19 to make their line, I don't think it was a Haze 19 clone I gave them....
[FONT="verdana\]-SamS[/FONT][/FONT]

It's from page 77 of this thread..

 

[midwestkid]

Some Haze flowers from my HzA Leaning Nevils Haze F2s i made 19 years ago that i am growing now.

Preserving and trying to improve or at worse trying to keep what you saw in the F1s is what people should be focused on.

That stuff looks dangerous Hempy

 

[Dirt Life]

herbgreen LOL! That was me. And I'm just as confused by it since 2012, when I asked the question...

 

[Hammerhead]

Is anyone still growing haze#19?.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

To me SamS did say few years ago, that he did select Haze19.
Clone that got chosen by Wernard, who then selected males from seed for his line.

I did grow myself the Posi Haze in 1995/6 outdoor. All 3 not mature end november and they did all look the same.

But my domain is what Seedsman was. There I know the best what it is.
SamS OH too I guess, since it is the same. There are only different generations of it.

 

[Dirt Life]

Is anyone still growing haze#19?.

That's just it, if what Johnny said is true, anyone growing Tom's haze is growing Haze#19. But what I believe, through many years of reading as much as I can, is that Haze #19 never was offered pure, only hybridized. BUT, all Haze #19 is, is a selected cut from SamS haze, so, it's still the same haze, just a selected plant. And I personally don't believe Tom's haze is Hz19.

I have a Haze #19 x Skunk #1. Had her since 2012.

 

[Dr.Young]

Heres a video going through all kinds of good shit... As I read Johnnys post that video almost said Wernard at the same time....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfZm...hannel=Flanvel

Man.... this is exhilarating to me lol... looking at old catalogs and going through the genetics and breeders in a sexy timeline... Such a good video

 

[@hempy]

Interesting so NL was a blend of Afghan x Columbine x Mexican.

The NL5 was a afghan ancestral plant.

But NL is 3/4 Sativa how funny.

 

[Hammerhead]

That's just it, if what Johnny said is true, anyone growing Tom's haze is growing Haze#19. But what I believe, through many years of reading as much as I can, is that Haze #19 never was offered pure, only hybridized. BUT, all Haze #19 is, is a selected cut from SamS haze, so, it's still the same haze, just a selected plant. And I personally don't believe Tom's haze is Hz19.

I have a Haze #19 x Skunk #1. Had her since 2012.

The 2 THH I just grew had a structure Very different than the 1990 OH had. THH had much closer node spacing, compact not a lot of stretch, Shorter than OH. I cant locate pictures of H19.. I doubt THH is the same.

 

[Dirt Life]

There is no picture of the Haze 19 cutting, I've looked for years. There's not even info on why the 19th plant out of 1000 was chosen... if I had to make an educated guess: it was a relatively fast flowering, colorful, squat haze selection that had big, spear tip shaped bracts and had an incredibly powerful effect. That's all guesses, though.

 

[Chi13]

Thanks to whoever posted the Todd potcast interview. I don't really care who did or said whatever, 40 years ago, but the guy comes across as genuine and interesting. He has a great attitude to the plant and talks about quality of effect as the main goal, over other traits such as yield.

 

[Thule]

Thanks to whoever posted the Todd potcast interview. I don't really care who did or said whatever, 40 years ago, but the guy comes across as genuine and interesting. He has a great attitude to the plant and talks about quality of effect as the main goal, over other traits such as yield.

I really liked his primary colors metaphor. Good stuff indeed.

 

[star crash]

any for profit breeder who names a strain after themselves ...it smacks too much of ego gone wild

 

[Nannymouse]

Naming a strain after themselves doesn't affect me like that star crash. Maybe that is because of my experiences with registered critters...in some registries, the breeder's name or kennel/cattery name is listed as a prefix to the 'animal's name' and the owner's name or kennel/cattery name is listed as suffix. Also, in racing birds, if a particular family of birds is kept...reproduced...by another, the more current breeder is listed just prior to the 'family' from which it derived. This is also why i really do not understand that some in the cannabis community have fits over who 'is' or 'is not' a 'real' breeder.

For me, it's a way of tracing/tracking lineages. No disrespect, but just explaining the way that it is in other fields, and why this is so.

 

[star crash]

I hear what you’re saying and I understand that but it’s different in the marijuana business..It seems to me it’s more like “look at me I’m great here’s my strain …go buy it” … Everybody’s got a right to do these things in life it’s just how I feel about it personallyIf it’s truly great …the strain will speak for itself…The best breeders have humility And don’t need to be superstars…There’s so much hype going around more and more each day it’s really unbelievable there are dozens and dozens of incredible under hyped strains out there that are probably better than a lot of what is discussed right here

 

[star crash]

I may have spoken too much time to go to bed