question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[harvestreaper]

I liked Nevil but i never worshiped him Nevil earned my respect and my loyalty.

If you show Sam respect that's okay but if you show Nevil respect that's worshiping okay.

Put your self in Nevils shoes your in Holland running a seed company while the US government wants your ass in a cage for life how many people wanting to be close to you would you trust ? After so many tried to burn you lol.

How many people did Nevil rip off i am all ears ?.

Todd is talking smack about a guy he met and chatted to for an hour at an event. A guy Todd claims to know both his life and his breeding how laughable.

i worship no man..i dont mind admitting i thanked sam privately for bringing haze to europe ,,and i promoted neviles haze 5 like a demented evangelist for free on its merit alone i think i gave neville more respect in real world than many that talk today ,,,my conscious is clean ,,,,.hempy i did not say hey everyone every single word here true did i ,,the events he described that went down in holland is how i remember it generally speaking ...now when you talking of private deals i was not there you were not there and if todd was not there none of us can prove a dam thing either way so i have no interest in that kinda futile specultion ,,,as to your question you cannot answer it yourself brother and neither can i

 

[Donald Mallard]

I also lost lots of school friends and i think any one growing up in the 70s did also.

After he got clean Nevil blew him self up in Holland making Hash and ended up in Hospital with burns.

As they treated him in hospital he refused morphine for pain as he was afraid he end up on the heroin again.

Nevil didn't act like a junky and any one hacking his seeds claiming What Todd does should be the one people need to avoid.

what seeds is todd hacking of nevils ,
i ve been off living like instructed so much have missed that ,
last i heard he crossed nh with haze and did something with haze and nl , the nl didnt come from nevil though??
so which ones of nevils is he hacking ??

 

[star crash]

what Ledo’s showing isn’t Original Haze … he’s being a little bit coy

 

[harvestreaper]

what Ledo’s showing isn’t Original Haze … he’s being a little bit coy

how devilish ,,, i guess its a nevilles haze then lol

 

[star crash]

Not Nevils Haze either … He can fill in the details if he wants to

 

[harvestreaper]

Not Nevils Haze either … He can fill in the details if he wants to

certaintly got a familiar look to it whatever it is

 

[star crash]

This is Nevils Haze (grown by YoSammy) >>>

 

[star crash]

led05 is A true Master when it comes to sativa …I think he might be the best grower I’ve ever seen …He also breeds and preserves exotic sativa’s from all over the world

 

[harvestreaper]

This is Nevils Haze (grown by YoSammy) >>>

never grown it myself only crosses ,,that looks outstanding ,,in the early 90s a friend brought some privatley sourced weed back from holland it was the strongest weed i ever smoked it was copper colored and looked almost exactly like one of hempys nh phenos so i got my eye on it for sure

 

[harvestreaper]

led05 is A true Master when it comes to sativa …I think he might be the best grower I’ve ever seen …He also breeds and preserves exotic sativa’s from all over the world

praise indeed from you star

 

[star crash]

I’m nothing compared to him , but thank you anyway

 

[star crash]

never grown it myself only crosses ,,that looks outstanding ,,in the early 90s a friend brought some privatley sourced weed back from holland it was the strongest weed i ever smoked it was copper colored and looked almost exactly like one of hempys nh phenos so i got my eye on it for sure

Well it’s legendary for a reason & I’ve asked YoSammy about it and indeed it’s powerful stuff , he says he gets him extremely baked..You really have to hand it to these guys who’ve preserved it over the decades (and still do) …at great sacrifice

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I liked Nevil but i never worshiped him Nevil earned my respect and my loyalty.

If you show Sam respect that's okay but if you show Nevil respect that's worshiping okay.

Put your self in Nevils shoes your in Holland running a seed company while the US government wants your ass in a cage for life how many people wanting to be close to you would you trust ? After so many tried to burn you lol.

How many people did Nevil rip off i am all ears ?.

Todd is talking smack about a guy he met and chatted to for an hour at an event. A guy Todd claims to know both his life and his breeding how laughable.

Nevil didnt rip off sam....sams been thinking that nevil sold the female cuttings he gave him to sensi for huge money all these years...wen infact he didnt, it was the haze male from the earlier sold seeds that ben took....nevil only asked sam for cuttings thinking sam may have come up with some good females from his half of the older seeds...he didnt know sams half didnt pop an the cuttings would be from the dozen or so 76 seed.

those seeds tod has come from some 2009 reproduction....the 76 haze was already ibl...it was mostly the silver blue type an true breeding...thats how it was first described in Holland by sam....there wernt no 9 week stuff in those......tho sam has said other inputs were added at the end of production....all commercial haze seed production was done in Holland....so take from it what you will.....tod never saw the earlier haze....even in Holland.....he started coming over around mid 90's

 

[LostTribe]

Speaking of getting bailed out of jail, if you listen to the podcast Woody Harrelson bailed out Todd Mcormick with a half a million in cash. Very interesting podcast.
He also says d he was hesitant to show pics of all the haze he was growing because of people’s preconceptions of what haze is. He said there are even 9 week phenos in it. I think Sam did a good job preserving every phenotype in haze. Im of the mind that the longer phenotypes are where it’s at.

Sam jumped in here a few months back and said haze is long but 16 week haze come on man wth!!(maybe it was 20w)

I found quick pheno's in Todd's but also in THH. Both examples were nice but a bit different than the long legged ladies. Still preferable to a pure indica or a ind/sat hybrid of similar flowering time. In fact I think the THH came in faster than the Todd but I cant recall. The Todd was 11.5-12, the white grape. The THH was super coated with a sweet taste and denser structure not as long lasting. I kept the white grape from todd. Still debating on THH long mint and the octopus. Hopefully similar pheno's will come out in the progeny but I used THH males.

I only had the chance to run one pack of todd's but still have 3 more packs.

On that note I am soaking TnT Haze now. Tom n Todd with the white grape mom. I have it in the long todd that went purp too. I prefer the grape. It smells wicked ripe fruit in bloom the sour grape doesnt develope until it has dried.

 

[Sub24ox7]

I have a mex haze/o. Haze x o. Haze/skunk#1 that smells of sweet raisins it’s uncanny. I preferred the longest flowering plant that smelled of tea leaves and metallic though.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Sam jumped in here a few months back and said haze is long but 16 week haze come on man wth!!(maybe it was 20w)

I found quick pheno's in Todd's but also in THH. Both examples were nice but a bit different than the long legged ladies. Still preferable to a pure indica or a ind/sat hybrid of similar flowering time. In fact I think the THH came in faster than the Todd but I cant recall. The Todd was 11.5-12, the white grape. The THH was super coated with a sweet taste and denser structure not as long lasting. I kept the white grape from todd. Still debating on THH long mint and the octopus. Hopefully similar pheno's will come out in the progeny but I used THH males.

I only had the chance to run one pack of todd's but still have 3 more packs.

On that note I am soaking TnT Haze now. Tom n Todd with the white grape mom. I have it in the long todd that went purp too. I prefer the grape. It smells wicked ripe fruit in bloom the sour grape doesnt develope until it has dried.

He did say that...i guess he wasnt expecting some of the old stock to pop back up when he said it wich was actually years back...Turns out the only haze to have the true breeding silver blue type can be pulled from the long flowering seedsman haze..16-22 wk....all other haze releses have all most likely been made later an decended from that stock. Thh sam made with the haze19 pure 76 female...father is still unknown...but if it was pure haze why publicly say the mother but not the father...anyway I already know they wernt selling no pure haze seeds at possi as they never paid to use a pure male....

anyway what maters is you find stuff you like...an it seems you have...which is great.


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[Goodherb]

led05 is A true Master when it comes to sativa …I think he might be the best grower I’ve ever seen …He also breeds and preserves exotic sativa’s from all over the world

Yes star, I have seen one of his cross grown by a member ,I can't recall if it's you,star !?

Laos/mango haze x 90s haze .

 

[star crash]

^^^ I got the Cambodian / Molokai from him …it’s More sativa then Haze

 

[Donald Mallard]

Yes star, I have seen one of his cross grown by a member ,I can't recall if it's you,star !?

Laos/mango haze x 90s haze .

the laos mango haze part probably came from my stock gh,
me and ledo traded some seed a while ago,,
i still have some interesting ones to try from that trade ,

i really liked the zameldelica mango haze cross he made
it was a beauty indeed ...

 

[LostTribe]

Thh sam made with the haze19 pure 76 female...father is still unknown...but if it was pure haze why publicly say the mother but not the father...anyway I already know they wernt selling no pure haze seeds at possi as they never paid to use a pure male....

anyway what maters is you find stuff you like...an it seems you have...which is great.


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The Haze19 x was not offered until later than when Tom purchased the OH from the Dutchman shop "under the counter". Without peeking back 2-3month Tom quoted RCC that Haze was made from several difference landraces including Thai. Only recently have I ever seen Sam refer to OH as pure 3 way lumbo. It was always Col/Mex/Kerala/Thai or a mix of and Sacred Seeds offered a few different hazes early on before Sam went to holland.

That has always been Tom's claim and he was also raving about it for about a week before he was abducted, again.