question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[harvestreaper]

That's just it, if what Johnny said is true, anyone growing Tom's haze is growing Haze#19. But what I believe, through many years of reading as much as I can, is that Haze #19 never was offered pure, only hybridized. BUT, all Haze #19 is, is a selected cut from SamS haze, so, it's still the same haze, just a selected plant. And I personally don't believe Tom's haze is Hz19.

I have a Haze #19 x Skunk #1. Had her since 2012.

you have any pics what are the terps effect like ?

 

[harvestreaper]

The 2 THH I just grew had a structure Very different than the 1990 OH had. THH had much closer node spacing, compact not a lot of stretch, Shorter than OH. I cant locate pictures of H19.. I doubt THH is the same.

thh always looks like sk /haze to me not seen any that show difftrent to my eyes .....yet ...ive said this to thh to an he took it as i intended simply an observation not an attack or acusation which i respect ...if you cant speak your mind you cannot speak at all

 

[harvestreaper]

I hear what you’re saying and I understand that but it’s different in the marijuana business..It seems to me it’s more like “look at me I’m great here’s my strain …go buy it” … Everybody’s got a right to do these things in life it’s just how I feel about it personallyIf it’s truly great …the strain will speak for itself…The best breeders have humility And don’t need to be superstars…There’s so much hype going around more and more each day it’s really unbelievable there are dozens and dozens of incredible under hyped strains out there that are probably better than a lot of what is discussed right here

no ones perfect brother ,,ego liike good drugs a lil put us on a peak too much make asshole out of us ,,i hear you tho i seem to have a diffrent use of the word share for example lol

 

[JohnnyChicago]

any for profit breeder who names a strain after themselves ...it smacks too much of ego gone wild

I have asked to not call my Haze work by name exactly fo that reason, the egos. As for me it is about a plant and preserving Haze and its haziness. Not about people. You see the result, Star Crash?
Even if I have put 5 years of work and 30 years of passion in it. Have preserved SamS mother "he liked a lot and used for massive seed production" in seed form, after he asked me for samples in 2015. Have the incense trait in my seeds similar to HazeA, we thought was lost. Shared it all with the community.

What I did, almost never happened for most of the people.

But I won't beg for respect. As it's about the plant.
If we don't respect or understand how it got preserved, after 20 years of OH is hay, inbreeding not possible, incense trait lost, THH unpure.
Haze is destinated to get lost again.

 

[Thule]

The first plant I ever witnessed growing was Haze#19 x Skunk in the early 00's. I had no idea what it was back then and I'm just figuring things out now. I pretty much cut my sativa teeth smoking this (immature) plant. It contributed to escaping many great parties Extreme red eyes and fits of paranoia. These were very sativa dom plants! The skunk in it at the time must have been relatively high in the sativa spectrum as well.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

SamS response to me about haze19...

I love myself these kind of details and to keep track of the things in order to understand and preserve the Haze.
Or I wouldn't ask SamS these kind of things about lines I am not using myself.

SamS, what stock did you select Haze#19 from?
The same you did use for Seedsman?
Not sure I had many O Haze clones male and female, in later years I mainly produced seeds from my favorite O Haze Female and Male clones. -SamS

You write, you gave Posi the #19 clone and they made the seeds. And the male?

They grew O Haze seeds and picked a male as far as I remember. They did buy some O Haze seeds at first. -SamS

 

[star crash]

The first plant I ever witnessed growing was Haze#19 x Skunk in the early 00's. I had no idea what it was back then and I'm just figuring things out now. I pretty much cut my sativa teeth smoking this (immature) plant. It contributed to escaping many great parties Extreme red eyes and fits of paranoia. These were very sativa dom plants! The skunk in it at the time must have been relatively high in the sativa spectrum as well.

I grew the skunk #1 in 2004 & here it is it was the “sweet skunk” terps were excellent & could see why Sam the skunk man selected away from the skunk skunk in favor of this

 

[willydread]

https://youtu.be/ZeMlQEWEg2Q

I am my favorite breeder, because I don't pretend to be the best, because I also use varieties from other breeders (often better than me) without taking credit or making up imaginative stories, and I don't claim to have the gold against other people's garbage. .. I've said it elsewhere, there are breeders and there are seedmakers ...

Ps I'm modest, I know, all the fault of what I smoke

 

[willydread]

 

[harvestreaper]

I have asked to not call my Haze work by name exactly fo that reason, the egos. As for me it is about a plant and preserving Haze and its haziness. Not about people. You see the result, Star Crash?
Even if I have put 5 years of work and 30 years of passion in it. Have preserved SamS mother "he liked a lot and used for massive seed production" in seed form, after he asked me for samples in 2015. Have the incense trait in my seeds similar to HazeA, we thought was lost. Shared it all with the community.

What I did, almost never happened for most of the people.

But I won't beg for respect. As it's about the plant.
If we don't respect or understand how it got preserved, after 20 years of OH is hay, inbreeding not possible, incense trait lost, THH unpure.
Haze is destinated to get lost again.

why dont you just sell your selections of haze ?? ill buy some off ya no problem

 

[harvestreaper]

 

[Hammerhead]

I have asked to not call my Haze work by name exactly fo that reason, the egos. As for me it is about a plant and preserving Haze and its haziness. Not about people. You see the result, Star Crash?
Even if I have put 5 years of work and 30 years of passion in it. Have preserved SamS mother "he liked a lot and used for massive seed production" in seed form, after he asked me for samples in 2015. Have the incense trait in my seeds similar to HazeA, we thought was lost. Shared it all with the community.

What I did, almost never happened for most of the people.

But I won't beg for respect. As it's about the plant.
If we don't respect or understand how it got preserved, after 20 years of OH is hay, inbreeding not possible, incense trait lost, THH unpure.
Haze is destined to get lost again.

It doesn't matter what others think.. The only person that matters is yourself. Any that think cannabis names identify us have not matured at all. Most names used come from others' suggestions. My HK isn't something that can be bought not even the seeds. My HK clone is shared freely with just about everyone at this point. The Quality is all that matters to me there names don't mean shit. I'm too old to care what others think of what I do. They should focus on themselves instead of what someone else does they don't know. I don't see Tom or Nevil or any boosting their ego by naming something after themselves. If you or anyone did that id buy it regardless of the name if the quality is there.

 

[star crash]

Good grief It’s just an average Kush…Please get over yourself

 

[star crash]

If Hannah keeps posting I’m gonna stop posting it’s a simple as that

 

[goingrey]

While I appreciate that Tom Hill naming a strain after himself might be seen as egoistical by some, another way to look at it is as a confirmation of him standing behind his product.

Also, I do believe that Original Haze is a registered trademark and you would need permission to use it.

 

[harvestreaper]

While I appreciate that Tom Hill naming a strain after himself might be seen as egoistical by some, another way to look at it is as a confirmation of him standing behind his product.

Also, I do believe that Original Haze is a registered trademark and you would need permission to use it.

im good with anyone calling anything anything they like ,,, its call freedom ,,,,,as long as the correct genetics /pedigree shown,, no foul for me

 

[CannaRed]

Interesting so NL was a blend of Afghan x Columbine x Mexican.

The NL5 was a afghan ancestral plant.

But NL is 3/4 Sativa how funny.

Here's my thinner leaved

Nl5 from todd

 

[herbgreen]

I hear what you’re saying and I understand that but it’s different in the marijuana business..It seems to me it’s more like “look at me I’m great here’s my strain …go buy it” … Everybody’s got a right to do these things in life it’s just how I feel about it personallyIf it’s truly great …the strain will speak for itself…The best breeders have humility And don’t need to be superstars…There’s so much hype going around more and more each day it’s really unbelievable there are dozens and dozens of incredible under hyped strains out there that are probably better than a lot of what is discussed right here

I dont think it went down like that.... as far as Tom hill haze

Tom Hill was his handle on here and he sold seeds seed boutique

The haze was just listed as ''Haze"

I dont think Tom even knew the connection back to Sam before he sent the first seeds over to gypsy

As for Nevil's haze I thought Shanti sold them spelled " Neville's Haze"

maybe hempy will know if Nevil named it after himself ...... but its probably other people?

I call what Todd Mcorrmick is doing' Todd haze'.....He doesnt call it Todd haze Its just easier.... we know it came from Sam

Now Arjan has no doubt named a strain after himself lol This is very possible!

 

[star crash]

Original Haze seed share is getting popped in the mail tomorrow ( national and international) good luck to all the recipients … I hope they make it to you safe and sound

 

[GreenAndFast]

What a gentleman