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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

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AfricanMagic

Where can I buy seeds from this Skunkman haze ganja? I'm looking for original Skunkman haze seeds.
Anybody can help me?
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
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You and hempy cherry-pick much?

That table 2.2 apparently from a book by the founder of GW Pharma does not say what source the Chinese hemp and imported hemp is from or how representative they are of anything, as far as I can tell. Like, hemp fish bait - maybe it's Skunk#1.

The next one is from https://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/iha03109.html
where they use the word hemp loosely - as in Cannabis - there is no way of telling what they are talking about. They do not say that those are hybrids that have actually been used for fiber, or in any way represent pre-WW2 fiber crops. The high CBN content is curious and would make anyone with knowledge of botany and chemistry question those numbers. The CBD and THC numbers given are higher than those seen outside the former USSR, but the ratio clearly represents CBD genetics nonetheless - which don't get you high.

My exact quote was shitty fiber for some reason - in comparison to CBD varieties selected for fiber. If people in Japan or wherever don't have CBD genetics available, perhaps they'll grow THC dominant plants. The subject was European hemp as it was before WW2, which Europeans took elsewhere - and in the case of the US, was mixed with good Chinese hemp late in the game. The descendants of which Americans are quite familiar with. Not ancient Chinese pot, not Muslim-world pot, not Japanese hemp from China then grown in isolation for thousands of years, not mystery hybrid cannabis.

Has nothing to do with cherry picking.Just examples to clarify that normal hemp can never be a drug type cannabis with a thc content of around 10-20%.Analyses of ditch weed in the US showed the same after growing in the wild for 80 years .

It would be cheap Skunk#1 seeds if that was sold as fish bait.Normally you would just have seeds from Chinese origin, unless someone screwed the labels during the test.

In Hungary they use a hemp variety Kinai kétlaki from Chinese origin for breeding purposes which was tested years ago to have a thc content >1% which was higher than cbd <1%.
 

funkyhorse

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[FONT=Arial mt rounded bold, arial, helvectica, geneva] The roots of Shinto religion probably date back to the neolithic Jomon culture (10,000-300 BCE), and so it is quite possible that psychoactive cannabis had been available in Japan for well over 2000 years.
It is no secret that weedy (uncultivated) hemp in Hokkaido is still psychoactive. Indeed, every year some people try to harvest it in the autumn and get caught by the police. Its potency has been described as "quite good". It descended from cannabis legally grown by Japanese farmers until the late 1940s. Hokkaido hemp is by no means the only kind of indigenous psychoactive cannabis found in Japan:
"A survey of the THC, CBN and CBD content of hemp from all parts of Japan was reported by Dr. Keizo Watanabe. Marihuana from Tochigi and Hokkaido regions contained a 3.9 per cent and 3.4 per cent THC, respectively." [SIZE=-1](UNDCP 73/3)
These potency figures are comparable to marijuana available in Jamaica and Mexico in the 1970s.
Before worldwide laws against cannabis were introduced over the last few decades, there was no real incentive to breed plants specifically for low THC yield. There is no known genetic link between qualities desirable in fibre plants and low THC-yield. In fact, since the resin acts as a natural repellant against insects and other pests it is likely that more resinous plants are more robust. Thus plants could be usable both as industrial crops grown for fibre and seed and for medical and recreational purposes.
"Many of the older fibre hemp varieties were in actual fact rather rich in THC, since psychoactivity was not used as a selection/breeding criterion prior to the 1970s." [SIZE=-1](Prof. Szendrei, UNDCP 1999) [/SIZE]​
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[SIZE=-1]Hemp harvest in Nagano[/SIZE] Many of the old hemp seed strains of pre-war Japan can no longer be legally cultivated because they don't meet the low THC-requirements imposed by some prefectural governments. This is even though the Cannabis Control Law does not specify any THC limits and regulates only based on the intended purpose of the crop. The Nagano prefectural government is refusing to issuing licenses to grow the traditional local mountain hemp and will only permit cultivation of a specially bred low-THC strain called "Tochigishiro". That strain was developed at Hiroshima University and its main cannabinoid is CBDA. Some old hemp farmers complain that it produces fibre of inferior quality when compared to more traditional strains that do contain noticable amounts of THC.
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Very interesting stuff Hempy

It seems we can include Hokkaido geographically as part of Manchuria and the anaylisis fits perfectly well with what grows wild in North East China, Eastern Russia and North Korea, it is all the same strain,there were questions about manchurian

I never smoked mexican in my life, cant compare. Same with true jamaican ganja.

I certainly doubt it is the same kind of high, it simply cannot be.
Mexico and Jamaica grow long flowering sativas, manchurian comes up end of may/beginning of june and you must pick it up before the end of september, too cold up there, october is ice all over Manchuria


Manchurian has nothing to do with xingianese hemp, not related at all. Two completely different regions, very appart of each other. For you to understand distances, from Manchuria to Europe, Xingxiang would we half way.

And the stuff found in Xinjiang tombs doesnt necessarily have to be from Xinxiang, it could have been brought there from the other side of the mountains or from anywhere else in the area. 21st century xingxianese quality is hemp, psychoactivity as low as Dali strain which means no psychoactivity

And if a breeder is getting some psychoactive seeds from a chinese guy living in Australia and the chinese guy tells you it is from Yunnan province, you get a 99,99% possibility that he is telling you what he thinks the other side wants to hear but never the truth. This is part of chinese culture and is not considered a lie but a way of befriending

Da Ma is hemp. Ma bu is the material made from hemp, Ma hua is marihuana. I visited organic hemp material factories and also non organic and the difference in quality is huge. The organic hemp material quality is amazing and very nice but very expensive and because of that not very commercial except in first world countries as a niche product

The only psychoactive landrace in China is manchurian. Hybridization took place in China too, if it has psychoactivity, seeds were imported. Dali and Xingxiang landraces are hemp
I disagree, I have grown varieties from Yarkand and other areas that were drug varieties without a doubt, they were mentioned in the Indian Hemp Drugs commission report 1894.-SamS
 
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MadMac

far beyond driven...
ohhhh-haze

ohhhh-haze

hello haze lovers!
in the meantime as usually...
true haze love.
soon ready... just waiting for the stars to be in line...
enjoy
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get hazed & PLAY LOUD ;-)
M.
 

robotwithdreams

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Have any you folks looked into Todd McCormick's projects?
Here is info on his reproduction of haze from sams stock.
“Attention Breeders: who would want to put orders in for Original Haze Seeds available in January 2020? They are being grown out this season and are an IBL of the original three-way Colombian cross. This example is a female I selected from Original Haze seeds that I got directly from Skunkman Sam some years ago, when I went to him and asked me if he would sell me the seeds he sold Nevil. Now that cannabis is legal in so many places, we don’t have to only grow fast-flowering, heavy-yielding plants, we can actually focus on high-quality, high-energy equatorial varieties, and I hope we all look towards bringing Haze back around.”
I think the ohaze beans are going to be 10$ a bean.

You can find him easily by google. Also on insta. You can email him for his catalogue. He has a bunch of modern stuff crossed to some type of nevil x ohaze as well, if thats your thing. I also see reproduction of skunk1 from mel franks stock, a bit more pricey at 20$ a bean.
 

SolarLogos

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hello haze lovers!
in the meantime as usually...
true haze love.
soon ready... just waiting for the stars to be in line...
enjoy
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get hazed & PLAY LOUD ;-)
M.
It's always a pleasure to see your work MM, it's just incredible how you've tamed the haze indoors. Your name will be synonymous with only the finest haze.

Thanks for the show, it's the best as always
Peace, God bless
 

Koondense

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robotwithdreams, I find it funny how people tend to put prices on beans before even testing them :) That's pure greed.
MadMac is the example of a different approach, letting us see everything in the reproduction process, having many testers, spreading the seeds for free and selling them without proper credit. Max respect for MM ;)

Cheers haze aficionados
 

robotwithdreams

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Koondense,
I think its typically rotten when people start selling beans without testing. A bit different when the “breeder” lets the consumer know before hand they are buying a mostly untested strain. Then it’s entirely up to the consumer to decide if they want the genetics bad enough. Ive seen quite a few “breeders” bringing to market lines hardly tested before hand.

I should edit my previous post. I think the skunk1 that are 20$!! a bean are over twenty years old stock kept by mel frank which he acquired from skunkman. They arent some reproductions. So i suppose they may be of some interest to some, but ill pass.

The o haze reproduction however interests be a good bit. I saw a post where mccormick mentioned he took sams advice on with open pollination to preserve genetic diversity, etc., for the o haze he is going to be releasing. As of right now i dont see anyone else selling any original haze by itself. Im not sure this line is tested before he starts selling it. I hope it is, but would not be surprised to learn otherwise.
I really cant comment on any of his testing protocols for any of the other( modern hybrid ) x (nevil x ohaze) lines he is selling.
I just came across his stuff recently and figured id mention it. And see if anyone was going to be trying his ohaze gear. He does have a very long history as a grower, so that is encouraging.
I wholeheartedly agree with sentiments regarding madmac, and his pics are truly amazing.
 

MadMac

far beyond driven...
ohhh-haze effect

ohhh-haze effect

hello,
well here i want to show the result of OHz 90' male and the best Temple Haze i've found...
she is amazing vigorous... is grow'n from cut and flowered @ 30 cm...
now she is close to 2 meter and still stretching... bamboo grow and her arms are as wide as height ...
this is full OHz ... no trace from THz...
i love strong growing sativa's... the end result will always be amazing...

the OHz male in summer...
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this is a girl i'll finish now same sister of the male... also from cut...
since august in this tent @11/13...
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and here is the Temple Haze x O-Haze 90'
left background is a arm of her... near same height...
those sexy slender leafs... in a few weeks...
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happy growin'
M.:tiphat:

P.S. thx Koondense :)
 

bigherb

Well-known member
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hello,
well here i want to show the result of OHz 90' male and the best Temple Haze i've found...
she is amazing vigorous... is grow'n from cut and flowered @ 30 cm...
now she is close to 2 meter and still stretching... bamboo grow and her arms are as wide as height ...
this is full OHz ... no trace from THz...
i love strong growing sativa's... the end result will always be amazing...

the OHz male in summer...
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this is a girl i'll finish now same sister of the male... also from cut...
since august in this tent @11/13...
View Image

and here is the Temple Haze x O-Haze 90'
left background is a arm of her... near same height...
those sexy slender leafs... in a few weeks...
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happy growin'
M.:tiphat:

P.S. thx Koondense :)

You are appreciated , thanks for continuously helping to make this the best Haze thread period

That lady is incredible, what vigor what beauty . I’d love to know how she smokes .

I’m very interested to hear in-depth details of all your selections. Your closeups are mind blowing. This old seedsman OHaze stock ladies are Looking to be something very special

I must mention your comparison of seedsman OHaze vs THH was insightful , I love details . I’d like to be sure on specifics . Was this comparison of 90’s OHaze via Sams or seedsman OHaze ?


I’m thankful you keep this Haze Train in motion


1luvbigherb
 

elanius

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I’d like to be sure on specifics . Was this comparison of 90’s OHaze via Sams or seedsman OHaze ?

+1 for this question, good one. So far it seems the 90 Haze has some more resin and better phenos?

MadMac, just fantastic pics and reports, as usual..must go spread some rep before...
 

harvestreaper

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nice work mac takes skill to keep them ladies happy on the stretch i often have a few wobbles when i get into deep water with sativas ,,,my grail haze was niknamed ,the thing, real long branches beautiful buds as detailed as snowflakes still the most beautiful to my eye ive seen they grew into horn shapes and it was very sticky fruity happy energy weed that just kept taking you there everytime you hit it ,,came via positronics late 80s early 90s never new exact genetics was first told it was sk haze then years later told it had some jamaican in from same person i went thru a bunch of sk hazes looking for her and now trying some of sams thunk straight an crossed an im wondering have you seen any of the traits i described in any of your hazes ?that branching one you mentioned got me thinking
 
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