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Pure Thai Seeds?
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romanoweed
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AAHM.. no. The Major Message of the Video is that Thaistick quote " from the 70s to the 80s degraded in quality" quote
Sorry if i didnt take time to painfully replay the video for the exact words. But thats what he says. If you WOULD read as much as me, you would not understand anything otherway. ESPECIALLY you woud not think that in 2022 something of same degree is still grown in thailand unless a Thai guy just popped Seeds from the 70s.
Sorry if i didnt take time to painfully replay the video for the exact words. But thats what he says. If you WOULD read as much as me, you would not understand anything otherway. ESPECIALLY you woud not think that in 2022 something of same degree is still grown in thailand unless a Thai guy just popped Seeds from the 70s.
Grojak
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You got a problem with pink hair? Pffff
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romanoweed
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Its that simple, if nobody hallucinates or stronger experiences, then i would question if its original. (atleast seeing stuff in Shadows, but here is where people cant agree and call out any type of "imagination". Go hunt for hallucinations)
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Not sure if this has been discussed but zomia collective is a se Asian dream come true. One of the best results and opportunity of the internet connecting cannabis lovers. Zomia sources thai Laos Cambodian at the source. Heirloom/landrace/ farmed drug lines all aquire directly from the farmers with passport info history and local territor cataloging. Not just seeds but plenty of oral history from passionate collective member who are beginning to form a fair trade type network like in coffee where farmers receive a fair share of the proceeds. Thai stick history and cultivars are presented with details only locals would know. The 2 main strains listed which were used for the sticks are squirrel tail and most recent aquisition Daidaeng- rhe original red string line. Here are pics and notes
Squirrel tail originally comes from phutan mountains and was spread around the country under king Rama v in coordination with Bangkok hospitals in the 19th century and is a basal culfivR used /acclimated to micro environments around mekong area . Zomia carries 3 iterations with 1 being preserves from original area 2 is hybridized and finishes at 14 weeks with increased resin and colors. 4 is the wildest with less selection done then with 1.
www.zomiacannabisco.com
Squirrel tail originally comes from phutan mountains and was spread around the country under king Rama v in coordination with Bangkok hospitals in the 19th century and is a basal culfivR used /acclimated to micro environments around mekong area . Zomia carries 3 iterations with 1 being preserves from original area 2 is hybridized and finishes at 14 weeks with increased resin and colors. 4 is the wildest with less selection done then with 1.
Lowlands | Zomia Collective
Zomia Collective - Southeast Asia's First Landrace Cannabis Seedbank
www.zomiacannabisco.com
romanoweed
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you asked me once. what i think of Zomia.
Well i questioned zomia if he has any old collected Seeds. He gave confusing anwser, atleast what i understand he calls suirriel tail as "from the 70s" or something, but he actually told me it was collected just recently, but kept pure.
Meh, not interesting for me.. pretty cool, but nothing so special. It looks like the Monkey Puzzles red Cambodian stuff, just slightly better.
So. imho..
I take thai68 and thai78 from oldschoolba first. Those are collected in 68, and 78 acording the Nametag.
Thats myview. Old is gold. And that is a garanty for quality. Old collected.
Well i questioned zomia if he has any old collected Seeds. He gave confusing anwser, atleast what i understand he calls suirriel tail as "from the 70s" or something, but he actually told me it was collected just recently, but kept pure.
Meh, not interesting for me.. pretty cool, but nothing so special. It looks like the Monkey Puzzles red Cambodian stuff, just slightly better.
So. imho..
I take thai68 and thai78 from oldschoolba first. Those are collected in 68, and 78 acording the Nametag.
Thats myview. Old is gold. And that is a garanty for quality. Old collected.
xet
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Wow, thank you for posting this.Not sure if this has been discussed but zomia collective is a se Asian dream come true. One of the best results and opportunity of the internet connecting cannabis lovers. Zomia sources thai Laos Cambodian at the source. Heirloom/landrace/ farmed drug lines all aquire directly from the farmers with passport info history and local territor cataloging. Not just seeds but plenty of oral history from passionate collective member who are beginning to form a fair trade type network like in coffee where farmers receive a fair share of the proceeds. Thai stick history and cultivars are presented with details only locals would know. The 2 main strains listed which were used for the sticks are squirrel tail and most recent aquisition Daidaeng- rhe original red string line. Here are pics and notes
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Squirrel tail originally comes from phutan mountains and was spread around the country under king Rama v in coordination with Bangkok hospitals in the 19th century and is a basal culfivR used /acclimated to micro environments around mekong area . Zomia carries 3 iterations with 1 being preserves from original area 2 is hybridized and finishes at 14 weeks with increased resin and colors. 4 is the wildest with less selection done then with 1.
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Lowlands | Zomia Collective
Zomia Collective - Southeast Asia's First Landrace Cannabis Seedbank
GrandpaMillenial
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Hello Piff_cat!
I discovered Zomia last year when I was growing and showing on reddit. (Dont go there lots of misinformation).
I ordered some squirrel tail #4 and also got some laotian Mung xai freebies.
I am growing out the squirrel tail along with an ace panama and a dj short flo.
I am growing with a few buddies and we decided to attempt making seeds out of the mothers Dj short Flo as a male.
So i have some pictures for you on that squirrel tail #4.
I have been topping and training daily, my buddy just let them go, when we entered the stretch in flowering, i ended up chopping like 2ft ~60cm off of the tops… twice!
Here is squirrel tail as a sprout, as you can see the second set of leaves came out with 5 blades.
I started the training very early.
Then i let the mother grow out, and made some clones…
Rooted clone!
This is what the original mother looks like after some very intense choppings… in the seed making tent.
close up
leaves are looking a little dead, cause they are above the lights lol,
Im scrogging and im getting some monster sized preflowers.
I have grow journal, Ill edit this post and provide a link.
Grandpa’s Sativa Grow
Welcome to my summertime sativa grow. I am growing: 2 Squirrel Tail #4 from Zomia Collective. (clones of same plant). 2 Ace seeds Panama Feminized, (The flowering tent shows only white pistils so far) 1 DJ Short Flo My soil is mix: 1 Bag Happy Frog 1 Bag Ocean Forest 1 Bag Coco Loco 2 Bags...
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wow thanks for posting these. some serious vigor it looks like! the fan leaves definitly have that leathery jurrasic park look to them. im glad you got the #4 i thought that looked the most wild and vigorous. that pic with the guy holding the plant upside down you could see the strong growth.
it is also very cool to get access to the information these farmers have. thailand/laos may represent the most diverse high quality heirloom/farmed drug lines.
alot of diversity india but a large spectrum of crop/weed cbd content. mexico/columbia got hit hard with all the spraying in 80s. but thailand, while maybe not the exact same as originals, gives us alot to learn.
most information thus far has come from dealers, repro lines in other areas, and older hippy types. but to see the other side of the coin with how deeply cannabis is engrained into the mekong area.
even in regular botany areas which have a language/culture gap to us are not fully explored.
alot of info/growing technique is passed down oral history. situations like this, especially since thai is legal now, hold alot of promise for growers and smokers. i also think the laos mui xai is a great line. stone guru has a log on beanbasement and they showed serious mutation/red stem/ funky leaves from the very first set. apparently there is a pheno with extreme lemon/pine and high thc. sounds similar to a jack the ripper type that line holds alot of promise as well.
GrandpaMillenial
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So unfortunately, I was born in 81, and never got to smoke anything from the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s. I never even touched the stuff until after y2k.
But I did hallucinate once off of an unusually strong bag of mexican brick weed, we smoked 22 joints that night lol, and that soaring high is what Im after.
It seems my pursuit of landracy-ness, is actually a pursuit of thcv. SE Asia, Africa, and Central America is where I am looking.
The vigor off of this girl is off the charts, the stretch is easily 5x. Im plucking fans and topping in an attempt to keep the internodes from continuing to stretch. This is not an indoor variety and I hope I can do this plant justice.
I do believe that growing the mother out and cloning helped a lot as I noticed my first preflower right when I flipped the light schedule.
The more time I spend here on icmag the more interesting history I learn. Im really looking forward to those Laotian highlands. Im glad to find out someone already did a run of those seeds, ill have to see if i can track those down.
It’s disheartening to hear thai farmers are growing a lot of modern hybrids. The 70’s are gone but If we breed plants for effect we can bring back that magic, maybe even take it further.
romanoweed
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22 cups of coffe at once are hallucinogenic too i heard.
3 puffs of real thai.. is hallucinogenic
overdose on hemp was mindboggeling, no joke
3 puffs of real thai.. is hallucinogenic
overdose on hemp was mindboggeling, no joke
GrandpaMillenial
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I drink a lot of coffee, no hallucinations. 7 grams of mushrooms have done the trick for me in the past.
Never walk into a casino on mushrooms, there are… just too many lights and things going on.
But I still remember that weed trip, stronger than salvia, but I did n’t loose time and space like the fungi.
legalization especially in sweet spot areas definitly has the capability to mess up whatever old is still left thru pollen drift. especially with all these "new" cbd lines which are usually at least partly selected drug cannabis. i kno out west they have had alot of problems with hemp farms a mile away ruining a sensimilla crop. at some point female production will switch to sterile i think. i saw landrace mafia has come across quite a few naturally sterile highland hashplants which always yield more etc. imagine not having to worry if your crop will get seeded. even for new growers, invincible to bannanas. i def hear you on the se asian/central american topic. high humidity and isolation brought on with rural jungle type communities or islands seem to have intense terpenes and cool minor cannabinoids. there are alot of cool lines from the phillipines as well.
GrandpaMillenial
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well thats a double edged sword, they are already working on triploid chromosome cannabis, sorta like how they make seedless watermelons.
Something like colchicine messes with meiosis/mitosis and prevents cells from proper division and you have a plant with 2 pairs of chromosomes, cross it back with a normal single chromosomed plant and you end up with sterile triploids.
Thanks for the heads up on stone guru.
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Ya that's exactly what I was getting at. They've actually started using oryzalin instead of colochine in cannabis mitosis doubling . The one paper written using it found pretty substantial terpene increases the leaves terp content on polys was equal to bud of diploid. Probly the best way to go if saving clones is aneuploidity where plant doesn't have a full extra set rather 1 or a few extra. By finding dosage sensitive genes it's possible to target specific traits . Karyotypes describe these situations. Most simple being trisomic a single extra chromosome allows the mapping of resulting traits of each imbalance situation. Another real helpful idea is production of true breeding lines with double haploid lines. By isolating cultures of parents 10 chromosome haploid then doubling with oryzalin homogenous lines are made with just one generation. Qt this point u could even start putting those double haploids to each different aneuploid/trisomic karyotype. This could lead to much deeper understanding of how genome works and incredible diversity as well.
GrandpaMillenial
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Im not a biologist but i did very well in a basic biology course at the university level.
I remember we talked about the coffee plant and its natural tetraploid state.
The third set of chromosomes will do what dna does and with 50% more dna there will be 50% more mRNA sending chemical signals through the cells.
Now with tetraploids, also comes breeding issues. You would need some sort of 4D punnet square.
apparently, the octoploid strawberry has been a very difficult plant to breed.
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