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Pure Thai Seeds?

xet

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A great primer for this post: ‘Thai Stick’ or ‘Lao Stick’?

The Thai stick lives.

Do not believe the haters and party-poopers.

The Thai stick lives.
The Thai stick lives.
The Thai stick lives.


in 2022 anyway.

The holy grail of that classe of genetics is being nearly single-handedly and entirely archived [for the time being] by Angus at The Real Seed Company so big ups to Angus, his friends, and the Thai ganja community.

Disclaimer: I want to press peeps that they really should inbreed the pure lines before outcrossing; the main goal being preservation and sharing to the wider community to increase the overall population of these pure lines, e.g., It would be nice if 10000 and not 100 people kept these pure lines so 10 or 20 or 30 years from now they still exist for the next generation ad infinitum; especially with the earth being now soon overrun with hemp pollen and all sorts of lackluster, viroid-ridden, hybrid genetics.

All of these accessions can be accurately classed into "Thai Stick" given the context of Thai/Lao commercial relationships during and after the spread of Thai Stick fame. Could these all be interbred? I guess so. But it's wiser to keep the parental elements separate from your crosses unless you have your own valley(s) to play with (Arjan of GHS).
Bokeo #2
Burmese
Central Lao
Highland Lao
Highland Lao #3
Highland Lao #4
Highland Thai
Lao Gold
Lao Sa
Mango Thai
Mango Thai #2

This makes 11 accessions of real bonafide Thai Stick.

Happy searching and share the beans.

Prepare to have your jaw dropped at the sight of the Bokeo accession here: https://www.icmag.com/threads/rscs-bokeo.17902198/page-2

Angus can correct me on these things I am only here passing on what I know.

It is a lie though to say Thai stick is extinct insofar as that commercial process is in fact extinct but the genetics live on.

Terroir is perhaps most responsible for the famed Thai stick's effect.

If you are not growing in scorching heat near the equator in open sun I highly doubt the CB1 activating cannabinoids will be as prevalent as they would be being produced by the plant for the purpose of sealing itself from that intense Thai sunlight and heat.

Happy pheno hunting.

I feel so blessed by the creator of the most high for my original question being answered.

Throughout my own search I became obsessed with Southern Star Seeds (OzG where did you go bro start up again plz) MM / Nanan Bouclou accessions concerning the Thai stick trade of the 60's having it's influence in these genetics along with the novelty of Haitian and PNG genetics I personally found equally as rare as the Thai. More on that soon for another thread.
I hope everyone is buying their Thai seeds. #ThaiStickRevolution
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
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its ironic , and the thais also think so ,
that we want what they have , and they want what we have ,, lol ..

living in the tropics , i can say the typical hybrids we have are not great for the climate ,
not as far as growing them ,, cause they grow fine ,
its more one feels lethargic more from them vs a thai sativa or sativa dominant type ,
i never got that from stuff i smoked in thailand ...
 

KITCHA

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Good point Don! Never thought of it that way but makes a lot of sense mate. I watched a youtube video the other day of a bloke buying flowers in the new coffee shops / dispensaries around Bangkok, 99% were US new age strains and the occasional thai sativa, Hope to see that switch up a but more in time but good to see the new freedoms at least. Cheers Kit
 

xet

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its ironic , and the thais also think so ,
that we want what they have , and they want what we have ,, lol ..

living in the tropics , i can say the typical hybrids we have are not great for the climate ,
not as far as growing them ,, cause they grow fine ,
its more one feels lethargic more from them vs a thai sativa or sativa dominant type ,
i never got that from stuff i smoked in thailand ...
True and also that chunk of general public who only love their current thing drooling hybrids, whatever is popular this hour, is everywhere. UK wants Ford, US wants BMW. All these folks can't get the mission of liberation from Babylon.

Few seek that ancient forest and life of constant rebirth into discovering the mighty one within us.

Only high-man beings understand the truly sativa sacrament.

Angus' friend in Laos exclusively growing local thais/burmese/laos for example.

Save the thais, save the planet.
 

Thighland

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Yesterday I saw somes plants growing in a locals garden. One was flowering, as I looked closer I saw the male flowers.

My guess this is from Cambodian or Laos brick weed. It doesn't make sense that farmers would grow herms, if they did the bricks would be heavily seeded, which they aren't. My guess is that something happens during drying and compressing that turns them herm. Sometimes there is mold in the bricks, which means it was pressed slightly wet and it has a compost smell. Maybe things get hot in the brick?

I'm sure there's others more knowledgeable with better ideas.
 

TheDarkStorm

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Yesterday I saw somes plants growing in a locals garden. One was flowering, as I looked closer I saw the male flowers.

My guess this is from Cambodian or Laos brick weed. It doesn't make sense that farmers would grow herms, if they did the bricks would be heavily seeded, which they aren't. My guess is that something happens during drying and compressing that turns them herm. Sometimes there is mold in the bricks, which means it was pressed slightly wet and it has a compost smell. Maybe things get hot in the brick?

I'm sure there's others more knowledgeable with better ideas.
If your pretty confident that the seeds didn't come from hermie plants, then a good thing would be to check out the day light hours around planting season in country of origin up untill harvest season an see if your light hours follow similar paterns.... Im guessing if they defo arnt from hermies then it would be good to let them run a natural veg period, wich could be quite some time especially in different air quality areas an differing temperatures an humidity an level they are grown at...... If forced to flower sooner it may be triggering a survival mechanism in them....
 

goingrey

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Yesterday I saw somes plants growing in a locals garden. One was flowering, as I looked closer I saw the male flowers.

My guess this is from Cambodian or Laos brick weed. It doesn't make sense that farmers would grow herms, if they did the bricks would be heavily seeded, which they aren't. My guess is that something happens during drying and compressing that turns them herm. Sometimes there is mold in the bricks, which means it was pressed slightly wet and it has a compost smell. Maybe things get hot in the brick?

I'm sure there's others more knowledgeable with better ideas.
Some hermie flowers creating a little pollen might not make the brick heavily seeded. Especially if it's just some plants here and there not all plants in the field. Never heard of a fermentation "treatment" causing this kind of change in seeds, interesting concept though.
 

Stocktont

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There are lots of different "brick weed" so there's not one answer for all, like most things with cannabis it depends on a lot of factors. Pressing itself isn't good from a seed point of view. Moist/mold and other forms of bad post harvest handling of the product (tropics is the worst place to keep things, shit molds as you watch it). If kept in high humidity and temperature the weed loses a lot of its zang in days. Keeping it cool and dark prevent the quick degradation some. I think the pressing and mold can "kill" seeds but then they don't germinate.

I don't think the post harvest handling determine sex or in this case intersex. More like poor selections or in most cases no selection. There's lots of intersexed types and some "females" throw one branch male while the rest of the plant express female. It can seed a whole lot and more. If you have 4 plant you can act on it and you can also sort out those seeds when trimming/rolling. If you have 4000 plants you can easily see part of the plot being contaminated with intersex caused pollination. Grow those seeds out and you will see that some will do the same.

Not all brick is the same, some don't have any seed even if you go throug lots of it. Some are riddled with it and those I have never found to be the best. I have grown out some seeds from brick that were pretty stable with male and female expressed and not the obvious "hermie".

The occurance of so much bad brick weed seeded is what makes it very hard to source good seeds. There's a lot of trash hiding the pearls. Best of course would be to befriend some old thai master and get his seeds but that seem even harder to find than a good seed...

Just as a question, what kind of substance/chemical would be able to impact the sex of a cannabis seed? or expression of sex is maybe a safer way to put it.
 

Thighland

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Daylight hours were I am are the same as where the plants were originally grown. The brickweed here is either from Loas or Cambodia, it all looks pretty much the same.

Old time growers would be scarce now. Less than twenty years ago there was a war on drugs, some ppl killed had small gunga convictions from 10 years ago, so up until a few years ago there was a lot of fear.

Now they are selling seedlings on the side of the road. The grower said it was Hung Golok (Squirrel Tale). He also said for 60 plants 35 would be male or herm.

Overtime I'm sure great local varities will emerge. Southeast Asia has a history of seeds sharing and plant breeding.
 

Stocktont

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Yes old growers are hard to find, my point exactly. But I don't agree that all brick is from cambodia or laos, not where I am. But we can agree that it's hard finding good seeds and now there are even more stuff to wade through to find the good ones.
 

xet

Active member
I was having this revelation this morning that Thailand and Ethiopia perhaps share in significance their variety and quality of ganja.
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
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Some reading comprehension skills would go a long way.
:rolleyes:
sometimes im not sure if we are in english classes or on a cannabis forum ,
oh thats right its the latter ,
speak your mind xet , dont hold back mate , get it off your chest ,
and while your at it throw in a few of your latest cannabis pics ,
specially thai related stuff since that is what we are talking about here on this thread ,

how does ethiopian relate to thai mate ?
without being a smart ass or a put down please since we dont need that crap ..
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
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Yesterday I saw somes plants growing in a locals garden. One was flowering, as I looked closer I saw the male flowers.

My guess this is from Cambodian or Laos brick weed. It doesn't make sense that farmers would grow herms, if they did the bricks would be heavily seeded, which they aren't. My guess is that something happens during drying and compressing that turns them herm. Sometimes there is mold in the bricks, which means it was pressed slightly wet and it has a compost smell. Maybe things get hot in the brick?

I'm sure there's others more knowledgeable with better ideas.
there may have been a hermie in the patch ,
they likely didnt include it in the brick,
but the other females nearby may have been slightly peppered , producing the odd seed ,

usually farmers dont want any seeds , but the odd hermie amongs thousands of plants with that sort of sativa is often inevitable ...
 

Stocktont

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there may have been a hermie in the patch ,
they likely didnt include it in the brick,
but the other females nearby may have been slightly peppered , producing the odd seed ,

usually farmers dont want any seeds , but the odd hermie amongs thousands of plants with that sort of sativa is often inevitable ...

Yes it is always nice to see stable males and females when growing brick weed, not that it is a guarantee but it’s definitely better than getting 20 females out of 20 seeds. Like you say Donald, they might cut that inter-sexed plant out of the brick or out of the patch but it may already have spread some of its pollen.
 

herbgreen

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Thats another possible cause of hermi prone Thai

Its very few seeds are off hermaphrodites

It gets passed along .....farmers so good @ catching males

They could of left in a few....but who knew all this

people just trying not get caught
 
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