Pure Thai Seeds?

[Donald Mallard]

black Jamaican , black Sumatran, black Vietnamese ,
all reputed to be great ,
sounds like a type of cure though similar to tangs malawi cob cure though ,
because other than very dark purple looking pot ,
black pot doesnt really exist naturally , specially in tropical places , hard to find purple pot in those places ...
so the black tends to suggest its been sweat cured in some way imo ...

 

[romanoweed]

its possibly bouth.. altho i m shure now you have 100s peoples thinking it was just the curing. and i know it wasnt.

if you think about it, black color and strong highs correlated cause the Strain itselve,, probably.

I mean i know the cursating Vietblack.. The Snowhighs selection is totally green, whera the college of the Source, rmeber him?
he selected strictly for longflowering to try select out the northern Vietnamese..
and his plants are pretty black troughout.. So, i guess we see the Southern Vietnamese tropical Pheno in his selection, wich was authentic 70s trip-vietnamese..

So, i cant pinpoint wether or not curing was important. But i can note that i tripped on green, totally uncured Strain, and reached Hallucinations or higher states..

So, for me it means not much if its cured.. i had lifechanging eperiences without curing. And imho, the most Vietnamese Strains were either blue-tinted or red tinted. I read this form vets, they differed between cambodian red and "blue de hue" strains in vietnam.. Blue de hue means blue-tinted. No mentioning of black, there were occasional darker strains i guess tho.. but fascinating how the vets didnt mention black.

So, its possible those grey, darker strains were just the best anyway,. altho again, green was also lifechanging.. i dunno

 

[Donald Mallard]

oh i dont doubt they were good without curing ,
but it can enhance somethings ,
sometmes though not as high due to some narcotic tendencies ,
so folks report and i have noted it myself with some sweat cured pot,

i tend to think all those south east asian varieties will be better once cured ,
no slouch to begin with ,
but better with time and aging if done right ....

 

[Donald Mallard]

here is the quote about the jamaican ,
tends to suggest it was in the curing ,,,


""
I remember too. My friends and I would smoke it and sit in total silence for 3 hours. Mind somewhere else. I also remember smoking this weed that was black. I think it was fermented Jamaican. It was at least as strong, probably stronger.""

 

[romanoweed]

im happy to see Curing trials done on realdeal Thai. Thai68? anyone?

 

[willydread]

About Jamaican, the Jamaican sativa I grew last year showed a couple of purple pheno, but I assume it was largely due to the cold, in fact I have never seen plants turn purple in Jamaica, not even purple hybrids ...
It's probably fermented stuff ...
About purple /black thai /laos /Vietnam, I don't know much ....

 

[herbgreen]

@willy..... I do believe the Jamaican lambs bread clone is purple

That is what is used to make a lot of these Jamaican strains like Double jam etc

 

[herbgreen]

Yeah, It doesnt seem like it that makes sense but.... Ive read that more than a few times

 

[xet]

a must read by Todd Mccormick today https://growmag.com/harvest18/classic-cultivars-cannabis-genetics-preservation/

I am suggesting that conscious cultivators should form a type of Cannabis Preservation Society, with the goal of preserving and sharing these modern classics that are irreplaceable.

 

[herbgreen]

Problem being "modern classics"

WTF

We dont even have the original classics under control yet.........yet

Or should I say xet!

It will happen!

We have enough...enough people have it now....Real weed will be back

And grown in Mexico, Colombia, and Laos/Thailand...don't forget Jamaica

No modern Classics!!!!

uhgh!!!


Get that Mel Frank Book !

 

[herbgreen]

People cant be turning residential homes into covert grow labs shifting 5000 dollar pounds forever

Its bad hu-ju

The sort of crazy that shit inspires is not worth a damn

Better sun grown organic farming on a mountain in Mexico!

Its oh so much better.....

That's right...... Legalize It!

 

[xet]

Problem being "modern classics"

WTF

We dont even have the original classics under control yet.........yet

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What are you even talking about?

 

[herbgreen]

Haha!

Its bringing back weed that was lost

Oaxacan Gold

Acapulco Gold

Thai Stick

Colombian Gold

Almost no one knows what I'm talking about

These are strains that cant be grow indoors with much sustainable success

Legalization will bring back the imports

End Rant....

 

[goingrey]

Haha!

Its bringing back weed that was lost

Oaxacan Gold

Acapulco Gold

Thai Stick

Colombian Gold

Almost no one knows what I'm talking about

These are strains that cant be grow indoors with much sustainable success

Legalization will bring back the imports

End Rant....

I hope I see the day! Of both legalization and high quality landrace imports.

And the "modern classics" / elite clone-only varieties should absolutely be preserved too. Simple enough to do in theory - tissue cultures in liquid nitrogen. A paper describing the method was published in 1962 already. It's just a question of who's gonna pick up the tab.

 

[herbgreen]

I dont think chem, cookies, and OG Kush are....going anywhere

Its just one of those things

Its like Todd has his head in the clouds

He does good work...I Love the work he does

I cant help getting going when they tell me what's important in Cannabis

But really.....have you smoke ed this modern whatever it s?

I said end rant

And I meant it

I think the problem being nobody have smoked the stuff pre-paraquat, pre drug war

And unless you knew people that grew it and saved it ...good luck knowing about it

And

It was all but gone by 1983

Talk to Nixon Talk to Nancy Reagan.....its as simple as Richard Nixon wanting to arrest protesters

War on marijuana is an end run around your 1st Amendment rights.



X

 

[herbgreen]

BTW that is Not the Drug war fuck no!!!

Our own Govt... they brought in military transport planes Coke, Heroin. Its true.

Its a War on Marijuana

And we are winning right now...Legalize

Its our very own government Importing Coke and Heroin by the Literal Fuck Ton... That's a fact.

20 years for 2 joints

Fuck-You

I said end Rant!

 

[herbgreen]

And who cares about some bullshit parking lot dead head deals in the 90s

The 90s!!!

come on.

ok, now Im done.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

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What are you even talking about?

Great resource, thanks!

 

[Piff_cat]

best thing to do could be to determine what shapes landrace metabolites and attempt to recreate that in climate controlled/light dep greenhouse. take the native line and try to maintain those epigenetic traits. its hard to grow small populations in more northern climates and keep all the same qualities. some things that are very important -
heavy metals in soil
microorganisms in contact with roots but more so fungi protection and interaction. alot of the most incensy qualities in voc and wood is fighting against fungi which induces certain profiles completly absent in healthy trees. agarwood, the most expensive incense ingredient in world only comes fom these trees infected by fungi. healthy trees dont create it at all.
obviously uv, but also daily light integral. places like south africa where we see a ton of diversity share these factors and also has huge variance in altitude, lower oxygen levels definitly allow easier photosynthesis.
all of these biotic stresses over time will influence the primary metabolism levels, in particular aromatic amino acids which serve as the route to PAL enzyme, which is the beginning of the entire phenolpropanoid pathway- responsible for all secondary metabolites(terpenes, cannabinoids, sulfur voc, phenols) and lignin production.
this pathway is tightly conserved, meaning that changes to it will start to happen very early generations if the factors are changed. the landraces in 60,70s,80s were all close to the local climate/timeline. all the beginning hybrids were made with plants who hadnt been gone from home long. maybe this proximity to their natural, or acclimated environment is important to find missing traits or qualities. defense against herbivores(sequiterpenes) or insects (monoterpenes) are highly specific to environmental threats, if the threat has been absent for generations the induced terpenes will get silenced.

another thing that could be looked at is wounding at the end, which was practiced by the indians of oaxaca as well as santa de marta etc. not exactly for curing , but more to induce protective terpenes and begin oxidation of thca much earlier, which seems to be why older landrace had more decarbed thc compared to the thca now seen indoors. oolong tea, vanilla , frankincense all use the process of "drying on the vine" to increase secondary metabolites before harvest.

 

[funkyhorse]

With climate controlled/light dep greenhouse you can grow in the shiny side of the moon too, not much different than making it in Alaska

It is not economically sustainable, it is madness

We are talking about a cane, about a bamboo, weed. Weed is the last defense of fertile soil.
Before paraquat and war of drugs, weed grew naturally and it went through some curing process with very different techniques all over the planet. Weed was bricked and fermented naturally. It was bricked for transport and durability. It was a product of the 20th century with different technology

What is reasonable is to grow thai weed in Thailand, mexican weed in Mexico and colombian weed in Colombia. Paraguayan should be grown in the Great Chaco Jungle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Chaco), not in the moon or Alaska at light dep greenhouses with climate control which creates absolute distorsion on the economy equation making it a 10u$s a gram commodity

10 u$s a gram for weed is lunatic price, is the price for weed grown in the moon
paraguayan weed is today 2022 8u$s a kilo. The only way you can economically compete is paraquatting Paraguay
What is reasonable is to grow it at their landrace locations and to become a commodity exported to the world
Jamaicans grown in Jamaica, cambodians grown in Cambodia. Weed should cost same price as parsley and ganja seed should cost as much as tomato heirloom seed, not more and not less

Look at Colombia. This is madness. Their landraces were paraquatted and now what you have in Colombia is this, all done with stolen/pirated electricity. This is not sustainable growing. It is not sustainable economically nor environmentally as you can see in the videos. This is Cauca Valley, Colombia. Videos in spanish from Noticias Caracol



This can only happen in a twisted, unbalanced world where in landraceland people without education listen to the great minds of the northern hemisphere and follow suit without any criticism. The result is the glyphosatation of soil everywhere. Glyphosate is not guilty. The people driving the tractors with the poison are more dangerous than monkeys with knives. They have no clue what they are doing.. When i was a kid, soil was dark brown. Today soil is grey and it is all poisoned. The food you eat is poisoned.
A change of growing paradigm is needed together with preserving the local landraces before it is too late

The southern hemisphere sun is much much stronger than the northern hemisphere one. You got high UV not only in South Africa but all along the southern hemisphere. No matter altitude. You get bullshit crazy high UV at the beach. Going out to the sun between 10am and 4pm is dangerous to your health. That strong it is at the beach at the southern hemisphere. Sea level at the southern hemisphere equals strenght of 2000+ meter high in the northern hemisphere