Pure Thai Seeds?

[xet]

UV Map for 28 June 2022.

 

[herbgreen]

Round- up (Gysophate) and Paraquat are used everywhere anytime they want to clear area for nicely manicured lawn

The round up wont kill their Genetically modified seed

And kills everything else dead.....

Thats the Game

And the influence is felt worldwide

Ag-Tech is everywhere

Shit.... Agent Orange

Another bit Monsanto's handy work

Its something we all have to stand up and fight against

 

[romanoweed]

there are attemts to change that. Ther are Companys doing studies how to do without fertilizers, who tell you that its actually possible to grow without, or with very few fertilizers. but its way more complex, and cant be done without brain and not by following the common sense and just plant how everyone else plants.. so this will take time, but i feel it could be coming with the risen awareness and demand for "bio".

Anyway, very nice post @Piffcat
im too unknowledgable in Soils, nice that you you see it possible to imitate, and super nice how you listed all suspected factors, i will keep that post as my go to checklist one day, if i even find the time for such a big undertaking..
However, i most likely will take a similar Climate, go to a Thailand Hill thats most similar to vietnam, (because i preffere vietnamese over thai), and probably balance out the few differences to vietnam. I also will probably take the method of fullon fertilizing Soil with Treebraches Cuts, like shown in the video.
And then i will do one generation for every 70svietnamese, or 70sthai . Cause the goverment is already reproducing lines there and its under unesco-cultural-thingy... so i will probably manage to get such a license to reproduce them.. thats the only way i think.. Replicating this at home.. tss..
I heard UV is very very sensitive thing to do.. And if there is only a tiny amount too much UV, wich most lams have way to much of, then its highly contraproductive.. So, even just that is so hard to balance right with those Lamps, i think its almost impossible.. Ill go to thailand im telling you, one day.. now im tired of all those huntery , those tyrening discussions, of everything ,
but you are so spot on, these Enviromental challenges brought out special smells, like the Incense smell that knowledgable people are telling you are gone.. the genetics change over corse of couple gens.. of corse..
Also gooeybreder told me about my undertaking, that he is very unshure if i ever can imitate a climate.. Also he said, Genetics almost change imediatly..
Again, thats why all those legendary Hybrids are seen as Lost, cause even those went trough a genetical change, and were actually epressing the high class Traits of the LAndraces, wich changed in short sucession..
Theyre now "europeanized" "Northamericanized" ..



Thats it. Thats what i believe.. how can one just say no. of corse stuff adapts.. and as we know northern Latitudes never brought out the same weed as euatorial. not a single fullpower legendary Landrace is known in northern climates

IMHO IMHO IMHO !!!!!!!!

 

[funkyhorse]

About UV in the southern hemisphere

NASA - UV Exposure Has Increased Over the Last 30 Years, but Stabilized Since the Mid-1990s

Ultraviolet radiation reaching the earth's surface increased for 30 years before leveling off in the mid-'90s, a new analysis of data from multiple sources shows.

www.nasa.gov

NASA - NASA and NOAA Announce Ozone Hole is a Double Record Breaker

 

[romanoweed]

thos couple percent increase are nothing against the overexposure one can get if he just places a random UV lamp and will reach 50 times the needed amount..

I believe there was a Symbiosis.. (funny word but,,) in this Sybiosis Humans werent growing just for prophit, they also didnt outcross brainless, they didnt fly over the whole globe on a daily basis.. thats simply how it worked..
And if we imitate that, then this heightend UV by a couple percent wont change that Symbiosis..
Atleast we can try . You understand what i mean with symbiosis? The world in therms of agriculture was good. Today agriculture, and human behavior is, well not bad, but arguably weird.
Take this weirdness out the equation, build a nice greenhouse to shield pollen on a thai hill, cool it slightly cause the greenhouse-temps. place 1000s plant inside, select like humans in sybiose, lol VOILA

 

[funkyhorse]

Why does Australia have so much skin cancer? (Hint: it's not because of an ozone hole) - Cancer Council WA

Skin cancer is one of Australia’s most common cancers, with data showing almost a million cases of skin cancer in 2015.

www.cancerwa.asn.au

Romano, the only way of understanding this heightened UV is feeling it in your own body
In Thailand you dont have this problem, neither in Romania nor in Moldova, it is a southern hemisphere problem
In Thailand you can expose yourself to the sun all day and dont get sunburnt as fast and as badly as if you get into the southern hemisphere sunshine
It seems is the UV causing this health problem
Plants love it though

For you to understand, I have come back and forth from Thailand to the southern hemisphere many times. Because I am used to the tropical weather, spring in southern hemisphere feels cold on 15C. I exposed myself to the sun in the 90s and today and I get burnt red as a tomato in only 15 min, it hurts the whole day, it is unbelievable but it is very real. Since the 90s I am aware of the strength of the southern hemisphere sun and I take care, never go out unexposed, it is dangerous

 

[xet]

So you're going to lie about what the data on that map shows for today for clout, another ignore ...

 

[Nannymouse]

Yup, the world is changing. Humans have had quite an impact. We were fortunate enough to have gotten our place on virgin land, lots of different minerals from double glacier events. Rocky as hell fields near us, as is our gardens. I have felt much better staying away from chemicals like the pavement emits, we're far away from vehicle exhaust, too. I do hate the way that the pesticides and herbacides are used around here, tho. (not on our property)

But, i did want to comment on the 'pure thai' thing. I doubt that there is such a thing, or ever was. It came into Thailand from other places, and i doubt that trade ever stopped. To me, saying that 'this or that' is or isn't 'pure thai' is like saying that 'this or that' isn't 'pure' California weed, cuz ' i had California weed back in the sixties, and this isn't it'.

 

[romanoweed]

@xet if you mean me, aahm, i conclude yes its more uv, and the rise in UV IS way smaller than placing a random UV in your growroom.
THUS not denying it,
Then i go further and say, aslong as a strain is reproduced otherwise similar like before, meaning in same climate (thailand hill) , then it should still stay the same..
THUS saying it should not be interupting an acurate reproduction..

I dont see any lie in it, its rather a determination about the importance, taking the examples of 50 times multiplicated exposure from uv indoorlamps wich are not good for plants, BUT didnt highly change the results in a way that everything just turns out garbage..

Further, would you think a secound longer, you may remember that plastic for greenhouses filters UV.. So if you find the right amount of UV-filtering plastic so what?

i just dont get your statement in its full meaning.. and dont ask you for further explonation by the way,

If you mean the heightend UV killed landrace, if thats what you ment, so then , ok, possible.. However, you just can find a Paper from Rober r. c Clarke prooving most probably that landraces in india changed since the 70s.. bigtime.. The way they changed is that norther india samples became more and more similar to souther india samples . hence suspected hybridisation. Its not just uv..

Its also to note that the quality of Thaistick went downhill EXACTLY, and rapidly around 1980.. And that was exactly when paraquat poison erradication happend.. Imho, i dont see any reason to suspect uv as the killer of landrace. if thats what you ment, i have no freaking idea..

sorry to fuck the thread up, but i just did it, ok.

 

[romanoweed]

another Hypothesis, if we consider turkish landrace as similar degenerated like any other Landrace on Planet, where there is alot less UV than triopics, then the slightly heightend UV (6 percent raise) would be the equaivalent of taking a Turkish Landrace and bringing her just a bit more southwards thowards Africa..

Wich is acording Robert Clarke very likely what happend loong ago, they found DNA from Middle eastern genetics in african mid-Strains..

So, why would a turkish strain then degenerate this Time when it just is like taken bit more southwards thowards Africa with higher UV exposure.. why? imho, it doesent match.. multiple things point thowards other reasons why landraces changed, again if thats what you thought, ment implied.. And yes i see any landrace on planet, including Turkish as degenerated,
the same species Cannabis-thai lived under higher exposure than Cannabis-turkish all the time and was perfect in the 70s.

 

[xet]

Yup, the world is changing. Humans have had quite an impact. We were fortunate enough to have gotten our place on virgin land, lots of different minerals from double glacier events. Rocky as hell fields near us, as is our gardens. I have felt much better staying away from chemicals like the pavement emits, we're far away from vehicle exhaust, too. I do hate the way that the pesticides and herbacides are used around here, tho. (not on our property)

But, i did want to comment on the 'pure thai' thing. I doubt that there is such a thing, or ever was. It came into Thailand from other places, and i doubt that trade ever stopped. To me, saying that 'this or that' is or isn't 'pure thai' is like saying that 'this or that' isn't 'pure' California weed, cuz ' i had California weed back in the sixties, and this isn't it'.

Nothing exists and everything is opinion, thanks

 

[Thighland]

In my 50's, I've lived in Thailand for 30 years and remember the power of proper Thai stick in the 80s. Serious breeders I know are desperate for the original Thai stick (or Bhuddha as we called it in Australia). The believe it's most probably extinct. The main growing areas in Thailand were in mountainous regions of the northeast, close to the Mekong river, with Lao on the other side.

My guess is back in the day most households had a plant of two, it's a useful herb, Thais like gardening and being laid back. It seems due to govt campaigns it ceased in the late 80s. When I first came in the early 90s, growing was not tolerated at all, but with changes over the last few years it's become acceptable (and now legal) again.

I don't know how much was grown in Laos in the 80s, the countries were almost at war, there were skirmishes and the Mekong is a formidable barrier for smuggling. It would not have been central Laos, it would be in the thin southern strip that separates Thailand from Vietnam. People in this region are culturally the same as the northeastern Thais and this is where modern Laos brick weed comes from.

Another thing about this region is the huge dispora that is now living in the US etc. There's a very good chance they have been sending seeds which corrupted the strain. Seeds from Laos 'brick weed' are notorious for herms.

There are now strains being developed here, with claims to bring back the best from the past. So I will be keeping my eyes out and posts anything I find interesting.

 

[xet]

Pure Thai Sativas

Hi, Are those Mr Nice's strains? If so, is it true that his strains are so much better than almost any other breeder? I once bought from him through his auctions. I paid him but never received the seeds and when I mailed him he never answered my questions. That's why I'm reluctant to buy...

www.icmag.com

Worked in the NKP area in 68 and 69 with Thai Special Forces. Weed was legal then and harvested when it was found in the jungle, usually around streams and rivers. My first encounter was sharing soup made with bud found on patrol. When I left in the fall of 69 the US government had convinced the Thai's that the plant would lead to civil unrest like they saw in American cities. The Thai government made the plant illegal and with America's help destroyed all they could find with Agent Orange. Some growers moved across the Mekong into Laos and the northern growers into Burma.

 

[Donald Mallard]

ironic that it does the opposite to leading to civil unrest ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

here is some history about the origins of thailand and the thai people ,
its important to remember there were already people living in that area when they moved there ,
and this history may not be 100% accurate as it always depends on who tells the story...
westerners who have been to Sukhothai , Ayutthaya and places like phanom rung in the north east ,
will have seen remains of these original settlements and the old temples etc ...



Thailand was born in the 13th century after the fall of the Nan Zhao Kingdom (now in Yunnan Province southern of China) by the invasion of the Mongol Empire. The Tai or Thai-Lao tribes fled to settle in Khmer Provinces or Khmer territories of the Mohanakor period or the Khmer Empire, such as in Chiang Mai, establishing the Lan Na Kingdom (one million rice fields) in the north, some settling in Luang Prabang establishing the Lan Chang Kingdom (one million elephants), now Laos (Thailand and Laos are one). Other tribes formed the kingdom of Sukhothai, the kingdom of Ayutthaya in central and the kingdom of Nokor Srey Thammaraj in southern Thailand today. The ancient Khmer temples, which are now located in some provinces of Thailand, are proof that where there were Khmer ancient temples, there was a Khmer territory or territory during the Mohanakor or Khmer Empire. Therefore, Thailand cannot distort history. Ancient Khmer temples in some provinces in Thailand today were built before the arrival of the Tai or Thai Lao. Provinces with Khmer temples in Thailand today were originally Khmer territories during the Mohanakor period or the Khmer Empire. Thailand is a historical thief and a hereditary enemy of Cambodia. Thailand not only occupied Khmer territory, but also stole Khmer cultural treasures, including: ancient temples, ancient clothing, dance, script and Khmer language, translating into its own language, stealing artifacts and Preah Khan Reach. In short, Thai or Siamese or Thai Lao are one ethnic group with no clear territory and culture. In the history of Cambodia, the Khmer Empire covered a large area covering the whole of Thailand, Laos, and bordered on the east by the kingdom of Champa and Tonkin or Dai Viet, on the west by Burma, on the south by the sea, and on the north by China.

 

[sativaman514]

Dear fellow enthousiasts,

I am happy I have found this part of the internet, and all of you sharing same passion about landraces, Thai genetics, organic gardening and preservation.

Trying to replicate nature indoor have always been a challange. But I am noticing no one talks about light schedule. I am growing some Thai Chiang Mai (ACE), and was wondering if I should stay as close as possible to the original day-night lenght they have been exposed for centuries, to avoid stress and hermaphtodism. Maybe they need to be grown 12-12 from seeds? Natural daylenght is almost the same year round: less than 2 hours between winter and summer soltices.

 

[xet]

Dear fellow enthousiasts,

I am happy I have found this part of the internet, and all of you sharing same passion about landraces, Thai genetics, organic gardening and preservation.

Trying to replicate nature indoor have always been a challange. But I am noticing no one talks about light schedule. I am growing some Thai Chiang Mai (ACE), and was wondering if I should stay as close as possible to the original day-night lenght they have been exposed for centuries, to avoid stress and hermaphtodism. Maybe they need to be grown 12-12 from seeds? Natural daylenght is almost the same year round: less than 2 hours between winter and summer soltices.

Try it all and report back to us. You are just as much an important experimental scientist as the rest of us.

Photoperiods are photoperiods, if you pollinate them they will flower quickly and if not they will flower seemingly on and on waiting for pollen.

Hermie is a greatly misunderstood topic. All plants have this epigenetic in their DNA for special reasons which require some sort of antagonist to activate it or suppress it. Probably for the same reasons it is unadvisable and difficult to attempt to tame a wolf or cheetah but not impossible over generations when selecting the most favorable individuals. In the case of plants it should not take more than three generations to correct course when breeding properly.

Always be making seeds!

 

[Donald Mallard]

Dear fellow enthousiasts,

I am happy I have found this part of the internet, and all of you sharing same passion about landraces, Thai genetics, organic gardening and preservation.

Trying to replicate nature indoor have always been a challange. But I am noticing no one talks about light schedule. I am growing some Thai Chiang Mai (ACE), and was wondering if I should stay as close as possible to the original day-night lenght they have been exposed for centuries, to avoid stress and hermaphtodism. Maybe they need to be grown 12-12 from seeds? Natural daylenght is almost the same year round: less than 2 hours between winter and summer soltices.

longest day 13/11 , shortest 11/13 around that part of thailand ,
its probably an idea as you mention not to allow them to veg at all ,

you can be sure thai cannabis farmers were planting toward , or at the end of the monsoon/rainy season,
which is probably sept/oct at a guess , around the equinox and you're correct it will be 12/12 around then ...

 

[Piff_cat]

there are attemts to change that. Ther are Companys doing studies how to do without fertilizers, who tell you that its actually possible to grow without, or with very few fertilizers. but its way more complex, and cant be done without brain and not by following the common sense and just plant how everyone else plants.. so this will take time, but i feel it could be coming with the risen awareness and demand for "bio".

Anyway, very nice post @Piffcat
im too unknowledgable in Soils, nice that you you see it possible to imitate, and super nice how you listed all suspected factors, i will keep that post as my go to checklist one day, if i even find the time for such a big undertaking..
However, i most likely will take a similar Climate, go to a Thailand Hill thats most similar to vietnam, (because i preffere vietnamese over thai), and probably balance out the few differences to vietnam. I also will probably take the method of fullon fertilizing Soil with Treebraches Cuts, like shown in the video.
And then i will do one generation for every 70svietnamese, or 70sthai . Cause the goverment is already reproducing lines there and its under unesco-cultural-thingy... so i will probably manage to get such a license to reproduce them.. thats the only way i think.. Replicating this at home.. tss..
I heard UV is very very sensitive thing to do.. And if there is only a tiny amount too much UV, wich most lams have way to much of, then its highly contraproductive.. So, even just that is so hard to balance right with those Lamps, i think its almost impossible.. Ill go to thailand im telling you, one day.. now im tired of all those huntery , those tyrening discussions, of everything ,
but you are so spot on, these Enviromental challenges brought out special smells, like the Incense smell that knowledgable people are telling you are gone.. the genetics change over corse of couple gens.. of corse..
Also gooeybreder told me about my undertaking, that he is very unshure if i ever can imitate a climate.. Also he said, Genetics almost change imediatly..
Again, thats why all those legendary Hybrids are seen as Lost, cause even those went trough a genetical change, and were actually epressing the high class Traits of the LAndraces, wich changed in short sucession..
Theyre now "europeanized" "Northamericanized" ..



Thats it. Thats what i believe.. how can one just say no. of corse stuff adapts.. and as we know northern Latitudes never brought out the same weed as euatorial. not a single fullpower legendary Landrace is known in northern climates

IMHO IMHO IMHO !!!!!!!!

your right on with the vietnam thats for sure north vietnam/yunnan south china is smack in the middle of the hybrid zone between basal cannabis, blh and nld. ive seen alot of your posts about vietnam so i know u get it. when it comes to keeping a landrace the way it was i believe the most important part is not silencing or changing the phenylpropanoid pathway in a process known as pre cursor cut off. basically this means that if the plant does not face the same biotic stresses in a new place, even if they light and hours are the same, it will either divert resources towards lignin(instead of secondary metabolites) or even worse lower the amount of precursor. this is a simplification a great place to start figuring out WHY they were mutated to begin with, and why they stayed that way.
heres a cross im growing outback haze#3 x north vietnam male (tlt) these plants are very responsive they bend to light and stand themselves up constantly if a leaf is damaged the next day the petiole is twice the size etc. all stems are hollow with white pith. real nice structure and the males stink like females

 

[xet]

A good 2 minute Ganjier clip on terroir