Pure Thai Sativas

[tropicannayeah]

I asked if you were implying not stating that you were implying; don't get defensive. I'm not believing I told you I have proof of plants collected from populations not sustained by man. Your last post contributed nothing but animosity to the thread.

How are you "pretty sure" there are wild Thais? Please do tell...and sorry if you took my post that way, that was not my intention, I'm interested in facts not guesses or wishes or what some guy said that some guy said.

jai yin yin ...if memory serves me correct that roughly translates as "cool, cool heart" meaning a softly said "chill out"

 

[Thule]

Good post by Mustafunk

I've seen pictures of feral Thais and heard them mentioned by travellers so I believe they exist but these plants that are probably escaped cultivars were growing mostly on road sides and not high up in the mountains like you'd expect in the Himalayas. There the plant seems almost intrusive. Maybe in the northernmost part of Thailand you have those? I'd certainly expect to see wild cannabis in the Burmese Himalayas so why not Thailand?

 

[Elmer Bud]

"in the wild" or "from the wild" Please explain what that means? ...anyway, has anyone actually seen any plants in Thailand that a human didn't plant?

Wild ganja is common in many parts of Pakistan, India and Nepal.....there's no reason why the same doesn't occur in Thailand or Laos, maybe there is some growing by itself on some creek banks, it's just that I never saw or heard of it and I spent most of the 80's there.

G`day Tropic

Big difference is, Thailand has been an ally of the USA for over 100 years . And in the early 70s the US military had several bases in Thailand . Mid 70s there was a systematic cannabis eradication programme .
Not to say they aren`t pockets still feral .I think the smoking culture has changed a lot since the US influence .

The Thai`s generally prefer booze and amphetamines to herb .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Samson4]

I asked if you were implying not stating that you were implying; don't get defensive. I'm not believing I told you I have proof of plants collected from populations not sustained by man. Your last post contributed nothing but animosity to the thread.

How are you "pretty sure" there are wild Thais? Please do tell...and sorry if you took my post that way, that was not my intention, I'm interested in facts not guesses or wishes or what some guy said that some guy said.

jai yin yin ...if memory serves me correct that roughly translates as "cool, cool heart" meaning a softly said "chill out"

This is the line I refer to as being wild Thai. I have never seen it finish and the buds resemble hemp. It however, does get resinous and has one of the best highs I have experienced. It's similar to the sri lankan sativa in bud structure. I do not know the time it was feral.

 

[Samson4]

Back on track with thai82

Smooth leaf thai82



Serrated Leaf thai82

 

[deadkndys]

My Thai started flowering.

Started spraying with a CS solution in hopes of getting male flowers too.

 

[Samson4]

There is something I would like to confirm. Does anyone have thai82 seeds f2s or originals?
I recently had seeds become ripe and fall out of 1 of my females. They are a very light brown color. So light they appear immature at first glance. Once comparing to the original seeds I have left, they are all very light colored. Does anyone else notice this in their seeds or other Thai seeds? Also, I got something like 98% germination from those light colored seeds.

 

[ThaiBliss]

There is something I would like to confirm. Does anyone have thai82 seeds f2s or originals?
I recently had seeds become ripe and fall out of 1 of my females. They are a very light brown color. So light they appear immature at first glance. Once comparing to the original seeds I have left, they are all very light colored. Does anyone else notice this in their seeds or other Thai seeds? Also, I got something like 98% germination from those light colored seeds.

Back in the late '70s, the Thai weed our friends were getting had huge light gray seeds. Very different than most I'm seeing these days. The only seeds I have seen like those since are some privately collected Colombian Punto Rojo seeds that I have not tried yet. I have been meaning to take pictures of those Punto Rojo seeds and post them, but I never seem to get around to it. They are the spitting image of what I remember as Thai seeds.

ThaiBliss

 

[Samson4]

I can take pics of mine but they will be blurry unfortunately. I'd like to compare them to your pr seeds though. These are more of a beige than gray. Unlike immature seeds, they have veining and a tough outer layer.

 

[tropicannayeah]

Back in the late '70s, the Thai weed our friends were getting had huge light gray seeds. Very different than most I'm seeing these days.

In the 80's in Thailand all the seeds I came across (and I came across a lot of them from various sources as I knew dealers, traveled up and down the Kingdom extensively and lived there for 6 months of the year during that decade) were small to very small in size. The very smallest (viable) seeds I've ever seen were Thai, while I didn't measure them at the time, I wouldn't be surprised if they were only 2mm x 3mm. The mature seeds were light to dark brown, some were a very dark brown but all were without any striping. I remember Sam Skunkman wrote previously that seed size depends on several factors...seed size (as well as, shape, color and striping) comes from the parents.

and also I remember Sam writing that seed size depends on how many seeds the plant is producing....a very heavily seeded plant will tend to have smaller seeds than the same plant that is very lightly seeded (correct me if I'm wrong here Sam). I haven't really noticed that to any great extent, but then again I usually only lightly seed my females, sometimes, just a lower branch or two and don't produce seeds for animal feed or other reasons..

I'd be guessing that the difference in size between 70's and 80's seeds was due to the former were pure Thai and the 80's "Thais" were interbred with imported genes. I'd also guess that large scale foreign ganja traders introduced faster finishing stains to the Thai growers in the later 70's and 80's and these introduced strains were a small seed variety. I also remember reading about how Thai trichomes were extremely large but all the Thais I grew had very small trichomes...so maybe the reports about large size trichomes were from pre-80's Thais and all the Thais I grew were from 80's commercial bag seed.

Another characteristic of Thai seeds is that they are usually much slower to germinate (compared to modern hybrids) ..;I'd guess that having a tighter seed shell seal (so that they all don't germinate at the first rain) is another wild tropical survival trait and of those that did germinate, most would pop through the soil within 3 or 4 days of each other, much like most cannabis seeds, but I've also noticed that a small percentage will pop out of the soil a week or two later than the others, this delayed germination is not something you usually see with modern hybrid seeds, but Thais, being closer to wild, still retain this trait that would help ensure continued survival in the wild (edit should read "...would ensure continued survival in their environment".), Thais also tend to readily "drop" seeds when mature which is another tropical survival characteristic, while most modern hybrids (and I imagine all strains bred/grown for bird seed) retain their fully mature seeds even if the plants undergo strong winds or rough handling.

 

[bushweed]

In the same way that Thai strains vary from small bushy wider leaved, indica looking plants near the Burmese border to hemp like giants along the Mekong; Thai seeds vary from small speckled ones to giant unmarked apple seeds. The original Thai82 seeds I have are small, light and unmarked, whereas the Hmong Thai (private source) are of the the giant unspeckled variety, and GN Thai stick are giant and speckled. Seed size can also relate to the longevity of the cola.

There are also vagaries in the germination speeds. The last two fresh batches of seeds I've received from Thailand were unsullied by ferengi genetics and have germinated within 48 hours, so I suspect some of the difficulty germinating them, apart from the obvious need for a heated environment, has to do with age.

I believe some of the push for faster flowering strains emanated from the Thai growers themselves when they realized the possibilities.

Some of the old timers who grew a lot of Thais in the seventies reiterate one point that many miss today: that there were many different varieties in Thailand up until the late 70s/early 80s.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Bushy

Many different ethnic groups too .
All shapes and sizes .

The old legend goes the Thai Stik Gang brought in Broad Leaves towards the end of their op .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Samson4]

Thai seeds vary from small speckled ones to giant unmarked apple seeds. The original Thai82 seeds I have are small, light and unmarked, whereas the Hmong Thai (private source) are of the the giant unspeckled variety, and GN Thai stick are giant and speckled. Seed size can also relate to the longevity of the cola.

What did you think of your thai82? Do you have pics of them?

 

[bushweed]

Not much experience, I grew one f2 made by another member which lacked vigor, had the auto flowering trait and wasn't particularly potent. But a friend in Spain sent me some of the originals and I intend to have a look at them this year. The story of the ganja traveler who collected the seeds in Isaan in the late 70s/ early 80s suggests the possibility of some authentic old Thai genes. It must be noted however, that the original breeding process involved a couple of 1:1 matings with the same male used on two females, and seeds from earliest female being sent to market. What that means I'm not quite sure, since every cannabis seed derives from a 1:1 mating, but perhaps suggests there will be bottle necking in later inbred generations.

 

[Samson4]

I would love to grow a full yard of these petite ladies.

 

[Samson4]

Beads for you guys and gals. Im thinking she will yeild a kilo. What do you guys think?

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Samson


FFS mate a bit of food and some water would help those poor little plants a lot .

Bit more TLC next time and you may well harvest more than enough for a spliff ...
Risk vs reward is out of balance in that garden .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Samson4]

What makes you think she's hungry?

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Samson

The size for starters and then yield .
Then I look at the ground .Fine silt with not much hummus . No mulch to retain water . The plant behind has yellow leaves .

Leads me to deduce the plant is restricted from reaching its potential .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[tropicannayeah]

yeah, Elmer is probably right...I'd suggest working that soil, loosening it up, enriching it by adding small amounts of compost, sand, gravel, aged manures and other natural ferts and soil amendments a month or two before planting there next time and you will get larger, faster growing plants.
Mulch is a good idea too as it helps retain water and encourages worms. Forming the area around where the plant will be into mounds helps with drainage and rooting too.

but having said all that sometimes security is a concern and you can restrict height by not working and improving the soil......and some of the best highs I smoked were from Thais that grew in less than idea soil conditions, I know that the science doesn't back this up, but I've noticed that plants grown in less than ideal conditions have a better high than those that are pampered. (and of course, well cared for plants yield 5 or 10 times more than those grown in dense clay)

another good thing to do with Thais and other tropical strains is not top the seedlings until it has grown 8 or 10 pairs of leaves (or not at all and just bend and tie it down several times). if you remove the growing tip at the 3rd or 4th inter-node then the plant will grow into a V, when the plant is a month or so from harvest, rains can weight down the buds making it heavier, strong winds can split this V unless the plants is staked and supported.

Actually I'm writing this as a reminder to myself because just a few days ago I went bush to check out some plants (I don't know what they are until later on in flowering as I don't label seedlings anymore. maybe it's a part Thai or Thai Zamal, or a Zamal cross..but it's very sativa and only now has just started to slowly trickle into flowering mode) and one that was tipped very early as a seedling had grown into two main branches that starting vee-ing just about at ground level and one part of the V had split and was laying down. I propped it up and used some vine and tree branches to hold it in place. I find when a branch has split away and is almost torn off and is just hanging by some bark and not much more but is still growing it's best to stake it where it is rather than trying to raise the branch back where it was which risks killing that branch