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Pre-gaming for the 2015 Outdoor Season

Team Microbe

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Tonight I put together a bunch of aerial shots of potential sites for 2015. I'll take these with me when I put the boots on the ground this spring after the snow melts, hopefully it will give me more confidence going deep into places where I would normally get lost in. I'm also thinking about getting a GPS for this same reason... I was looking at this one - Garmin E-Trex

Now it won't display a detailed map like these Google Earth print outs do, but it would tell you which direction your previous waypoint is and that would be huge. Especially if you were to set a lot of them as you go deeper into the bush... it would be easier to find your trail back rather than cutting straight through a new path all the way back to your first waypoint (starting point).


The location I dubbed Bear Country was actually found last year when I was on landwatch.com It was up for sale, 100+ acres of logged land that was pretty much massacred unfortunately. Nobody wants it, it has no real value that I can see from first glance besides some snowmobile trails going through the property pretty much. Upon leaving after my first scouting mission I actually ran into an old man and his grandson that were taking a walk down to the pond that's located on the far side of the property. He asked me what I was doing there, and I had my tripod and camera out along with my birdwatching hat so I played my alibi part and he didn't bat an eye, he opened up and told me the property has been up for sale for a while now because of how severe the logging had been in the past. He said the owners moved to California, and he watches over the land pretty much for them by walking his grandson down to the pond every now and then. He warned me about the mtn. lions, bear and moose that come out during the spring to hunt... and I told him about the tracks I found. He seemed like a good dude, so maybe this spot will work out if I play my alibi properly this year...

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It makes me a little uneasy when I'm not at the top of the food chain...


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The trout stream - this thing snakes through 1/3 of the parcel and I'll be growing near it I think because that's the only places where the growth is green still. God damn loggers. Serious potential is to be had here though with this water source. We get 40'' of rainfall annually, but I would still store water in the spring before the creek dried out just to be safe. There is a dry period (all of August) so getting through that is always the challenge on dry land patches.

I'm going to dig trenches and line them with pond liner for each patch. Debating on taking the plunge and investing in the Honda wx-10 for filling the reservoirs, but I'm not sure the noise level of these things yet so I'm still on the fence. Has anyone used one of these pumps before?

I'm thinking about lining a 5 gallon bucket with foam and customizing it to fit over the pump to muffle the sound, but I'm not sure how much justice this would do. It worked well for my exhaust fan, I know that.


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The rest of the property is like this, semi bare with a bunch of pine trees scattered about. I would plant on the south side of these tree lines, next to baby pine trees that are in the 4'-10' range since they stay green all year round.

Bear Country definitely has the most potential out of all 3 sites I've eyed out so far. It's 5x the size of both of the others combined, but also is more dangerous because not only is there bigger game up there but other grows could potentially be going down there as well. It's literally a perfect spot to grow... there's gotta be at least one other likeminded grower in the 1 hr radius that has found this abandoned mountain side. I think people use the one trail that cuts through the parcel for snowmobiling in the winter, and I'm sure there are motorsport enthusiasts that ramp around during the summer but I would plant nowhere near any trails of that kind. I just know those guys blaze so it makes me wonder how risky a spot like this is, even though there's a considerable amount of acreage to work with.

Does anyone have any advice on how to avoid 4 wheelers and dirt bikers this summer?
 

VonBudí

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get a tablet and take aload of screenshots, so much easier. + have a few wildlife books just in case.
 

Kygiacomo!!!

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Well I was site searching tonight on Google Earth and I found what looks like an old grow site :laughing:

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Looks like a bunch of old holes doesn't it?

They're all in the sun as well, and south-facing. You'll notice shadows casting just besides the holes like it was intentional almost. This resides right outside of a wetland, and 4x4 trails are nearby behind the neighboring house about 1/2 mile away. I'll go check this place out on food this spring to see if it was indeed a grow or not. If it looks like one then I'll probably snap some pictures to get a kick out of and get out of there, never going back. If it wasn't a grow, and it checks out to meet my criteria, it soon will be one. It really does look like a nicely planned grow from this angle though... great access from their house and water access along with good camo from the native brush.

What do you guys think?
hmm that does look very interesting..these google earth shots dont show real time so its untelling what that could be..im interested myself to see what u find out there..keep us posted
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Tonight I put together a bunch of aerial shots of potential sites for 2015. I'll take these with me when I put the boots on the ground this spring after the snow melts, hopefully it will give me more confidence going deep into places where I would normally get lost in. I'm also thinking about getting a GPS for this same reason... I was looking at this one - Garmin E-Trex

Now it won't display a detailed map like these Google Earth print outs do, but it would tell you which direction your previous waypoint is and that would be huge. Especially if you were to set a lot of them as you go deeper into the bush... it would be easier to find your trail back rather than cutting straight through a new path all the way back to your first waypoint (starting point).


The location I dubbed Bear Country was actually found last year when I was on landwatch.com It was up for sale, 100+ acres of logged land that was pretty much massacred unfortunately. Nobody wants it, it has no real value that I can see from first glance besides some snowmobile trails going through the property pretty much. Upon leaving after my first scouting mission I actually ran into an old man and his grandson that were taking a walk down to the pond that's located on the far side of the property. He asked me what I was doing there, and I had my tripod and camera out along with my birdwatching hat so I played my alibi part and he didn't bat an eye, he opened up and told me the property has been up for sale for a while now because of how severe the logging had been in the past. He said the owners moved to California, and he watches over the land pretty much for them by walking his grandson down to the pond every now and then. He warned me about the mtn. lions, bear and moose that come out during the spring to hunt... and I told him about the tracks I found. He seemed like a good dude, so maybe this spot will work out if I play my alibi properly this year...

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It makes me a little uneasy when I'm not at the top of the food chain...


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The trout stream - this thing snakes through 1/3 of the parcel and I'll be growing near it I think because that's the only places where the growth is green still. God damn loggers. Serious potential is to be had here though with this water source. We get 40'' of rainfall annually, but I would still store water in the spring before the creek dried out just to be safe. There is a dry period (all of August) so getting through that is always the challenge on dry land patches.

I'm going to dig trenches and line them with pond liner for each patch. Debating on taking the plunge and investing in the Honda wx-10 for filling the reservoirs, but I'm not sure the noise level of these things yet so I'm still on the fence. Has anyone used one of these pumps before?

I'm thinking about lining a 5 gallon bucket with foam and customizing it to fit over the pump to muffle the sound, but I'm not sure how much justice this would do. It worked well for my exhaust fan, I know that.


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The rest of the property is like this, semi bare with a bunch of pine trees scattered about. I would plant on the south side of these tree lines, next to baby pine trees that are in the 4'-10' range since they stay green all year round.

Bear Country definitely has the most potential out of all 3 sites I've eyed out so far. It's 5x the size of both of the others combined, but also is more dangerous because not only is there bigger game up there but other grows could potentially be going down there as well. It's literally a perfect spot to grow... there's gotta be at least one other likeminded grower in the 1 hr radius that has found this abandoned mountain side. I think people use the one trail that cuts through the parcel for snowmobiling in the winter, and I'm sure there are motorsport enthusiasts that ramp around during the summer but I would plant nowhere near any trails of that kind. I just know those guys blaze so it makes me wonder how risky a spot like this is, even though there's a considerable amount of acreage to work with.

Does anyone have any advice on how to avoid 4 wheelers and dirt bikers this summer?

u should be able to hear them coming a long way off..everwhere around here is 4wheeler and dirt bike trails..ive always heard them coming a long way off and can hide very easy well before they get there.
bear country looks fkn amazeing place to plant..im 18 days away from germination lol
hows the serious 6 doing now?
 

Team Microbe

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hmm that does look very interesting..these google earth shots dont show real time so its untelling what that could be..im interested myself to see what u find out there..keep us posted


u should be able to hear them coming a long way off..everwhere around here is 4wheeler and dirt bike trails..ive always heard them coming a long way off and can hide very easy well before they get there.
bear country looks fkn amazeing place to plant..im 18 days away from germination lol
hows the serious 6 doing now?

The track is from a black bear, and yeah Google Earth usually shows ya like 2 years back or so. But if you notice on the bottom center it tells you which month it was, so you can see from a helicopter point of view what stays green and what doesn't if you manage to find any September/October aerials.

The Serious 6 are lookin good! About a week in now and I brought the cups into the tent and under the 600 watt full spectrum Hortilux bulbs. They'll be transplanted in a week or two prolly but they're healthy right now. I'll post some updates soon...
 

Kygiacomo!!!

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:bow:nice bro! cool looking foward to the little babys bc in 18 days mine will be that way lol..its been a long year studying and typing since last year season ended,but im feeling pretty damn confident this year about no rot lol it alsmot had me tapping out for a while!! i hate that fucking spore!!:bow:

Edit: i forgot to mention in that first pic i love the pine trees to plant directly infront of those..they make for good camo and also u can tie ur plants up to those and gureanteed it will not break the limbs off those..no matter if u are pulling mutli pounds per plant..those limbs are fkn tough..thats my fav bush/tree to use
 

ghostmade

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I just picked up some bear spray and my ol lady got me a cross bow.i feel like im in that movie platoon
 

DuskrayTroubador

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Black bears, so long as a mother does not fear for her cubs, are harmless. They're actually much more inclined to run away from you than not.

For black bears, if one does get aggressive, just remember that they can climb trees much faster than you can.

If attacked, you're actually supposed to fight back. Black bears will usually be like "all right fuck this shit, I'm gonna go eat something less capable of defending itself."

Grizzlies on the other hand... Well, just hope you're never out west and come across a grizzly.
 

Team Microbe

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Black bears, so long as a mother does not fear for her cubs, are harmless. They're actually much more inclined to run away from you than not.

For black bears, if one does get aggressive, just remember that they can climb trees much faster than you can.

If attacked, you're actually supposed to fight back. Black bears will usually be like "all right fuck this shit, I'm gonna go eat something less capable of defending itself."

Grizzlies on the other hand... Well, just hope you're never out west and come across a grizzly.

That's good to know!

Yeah I heard if you come across black bear cubs and they start screaming then run for your life because she'll be back soon there after...

I've always wanted to see a bear in person, but from a distance for sure. I hike alone lol
 

ronbo51

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I really liked grow spots that were in recently cut land. In Maine those cut over areas immediately became a tangle of blackberries and tree seedlings and with all the logging debris it was very uninviting. I would build tunnels through the tangle, weaving the blackberry arches and carefully folding green growth, using a folding saw and hand pruners until by late summer the entire trail is covered enough to come and go. I even kept knee pads and gloves to crawl along the tunnels. My tool of choice for digging was a pickaxe. The kind that has a wide blade. You'd be surprised at how far away you can hear a man swing a pickaxe or dig with a shovel. The old man and the kid are troubling.
 

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Another thing I thought of about picking spots is trying to picture where shade will be cast. Right now spots that seem sunny might be in quite a bit of shade once the trees leaf out. Especially on hilly terrain and especially when the sun angle gets long in late summer when you need as much daylight as possible to finish and prevent mold. Another reason why those clearcuts make for good growing- no big canopy hogging trees casting late season shade.
 

Team Microbe

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I really liked grow spots that were in recently cut land. In Maine those cut over areas immediately became a tangle of blackberries and tree seedlings and with all the logging debris it was very uninviting. I would build tunnels through the tangle, weaving the blackberry arches and carefully folding green growth, using a folding saw and hand pruners until by late summer the entire trail is covered enough to come and go. I even kept knee pads and gloves to crawl along the tunnels. My tool of choice for digging was a pickaxe. The kind that has a wide blade. You'd be surprised at how far away you can hear a man swing a pickaxe or dig with a shovel. The old man and the kid are troubling.

Ah mannnnn, you live in Maine? I've scoured that state while bored just to look at guerrilla porn! You've got some amazing country out there man.

I love the tunnels through the bramble too, talk about stealthy. I've always thought about doing something like that but never have found the right spot for it really. The knee pads are a great idea too, I can imagine how brutal it would be after a season on your knees crawling through brush without em...

I think I was heard digging one time in an urban area, I had to clear brush with my machete and the thing was so God damn loud someone had to have heard me. I didn't even realize what I was doing until afterwards because I was in work mode or something. Sound really does travel far huh?

I might invest in a pickaxe as well, better for breaking through dirt than a shovel I'd imagine...

Another thing I thought of about picking spots is trying to picture where shade will be cast. Right now spots that seem sunny might be in quite a bit of shade once the trees leaf out. Especially on hilly terrain and especially when the sun angle gets long in late summer when you need as much daylight as possible to finish and prevent mold. Another reason why those clearcuts make for good growing- no big canopy hogging trees casting late season shade.

Good point, that sun definitely changes angle later in the season. I've learned this the hard way once or twice, and couldn't chop down the trees that were shading my patch. That patch didn't yield nearly as much as the others that had full sun year round, I can tell you that much.

I've actually found that Google Earth can be helpful if you find some aerials that were taken at the right time... it's all random though and there's a 2 yr delay but you can still see what foliage looks like at certain times of the year. I look for places that were shot during May to see what it looks like at transplant time, then if I can manage to find a shot of that same area (usually will update every month or so with a different date) during September-October, I can really see what will really go on later on in the season. These shots are awesome because I can see what stays green and what doesn't, some places will die off and be completely bare while others won't. Those bare places would make plants stick out like a sore thumb... and they were completely lush earlier that year in May.
 

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That reminds me actually....

Google Earth & Site Searching

^ I've recently made a new thread about using Google Earth for Site Searching, if anyone has anything they'd like to contribute (tips, add-ons that you use, different ways to use G.E.) please do! This is an amazing tool to add to the outdoor tool box.
 

Kygiacomo!!!

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Another thing I thought of about picking spots is trying to picture where shade will be cast. Right now spots that seem sunny might be in quite a bit of shade once the trees leaf out. Especially on hilly terrain and especially when the sun angle gets long in late summer when you need as much daylight as possible to finish and prevent mold. Another reason why those clearcuts make for good growing- no big canopy hogging trees casting late season shade.

i did alot of my scouting last summer for potential new spots..always think a year in advance that way u can see exactly whats what and may need to trim a few limbs..ive climbed trees many times just to cut a few brances or the top out..i would carry brown spray paint with me as well so i could cover the fresh cut bc that wood is like a white beacon
 

Kygiacomo!!!

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I might invest in a pickaxe as well, better for breaking through dirt than a shovel I'd imagine...

ronbo51 is spot on with the pickaxe,there is no way in hell i could get the job done with a shovel..i dont even carry one..thats all i use is a pickaxe..u can use the fat end to dig deep and wide and the sharp end to get stubborn rocks out the way..its alot harder work to use a shovel here in my area bc of all the rocks..i use the big flat end like a rake to move the dirt out..works great man u should really get u one
 

Team Microbe

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ronbo51 is spot on with the pickaxe,there is no way in hell i could get the job done with a shovel..i dont even carry one..thats all i use is a pickaxe..u can use the fat end to dig deep and wide and the sharp end to get stubborn rocks out the way..its alot harder work to use a shovel here in my area bc of all the rocks..i use the big flat end like a rake to move the dirt out..works great man u should really get u one

You know what? I just may now... that sounds a lot more efficient now that you spell it out
 

Kygiacomo!!!

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You know what? I just may now... that sounds a lot more efficient now that you spell it out

oh ya bro a shovel will work u to death unless u are in a nice soft loamy area which is few and far in between here in my neck of the woods..whats left in the hole i just use my hands and scrap out what feel off the sides of the big end of the pick-axe
 

ronbo51

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A pickaxe goes through roots and tough soils. It cuts and digs and acts as a lever. Thrust the blade deep in the ground and then lever the soil forward. Bust up the clumps. Leave the shovel home.
 

Kygiacomo!!!

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Shit, I might jump on the bandwagon as well.

Digging much faster with a pick-axe?
hell ya bro its 10x faster in my experience..u just beat ur self to death with a shovel when a few swings with the pick-axe u will have a monster hole
A pickaxe goes through roots and tough soils. It cuts and digs and acts as a lever. Thrust the blade deep in the ground and then lever the soil forward. Bust up the clumps. Leave the shovel home.

fuckin -A sounds like me..i chop roots and all out the way for my holes..if i had a shovel it would work my ass off to get thur some these roots..it seems the best spots always is the rockiest place as well lol
 
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