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Nexus7

Nexus7

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troutman said:
Check seed finder next time it's faster. :tiphat:

Green House Seeds - White Widow
Genetics: Brazilian and South Indian.
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Funny Mr. Nice seems to list it as a Brazilian Sativa x South Indian hybrid.

Now what the heck is a South Indian hybrid? A hybrid of two unrelated South Indian types?

Still 8-10 weeks flowering time for a Brazilian Sativa x South Indian hybrid you've got to be joking right?

Also note South Indian so not necessary from Kerala either right?

I don't suppose ngakpa can testify to any late September/early October flowering types in Kerala? Or if he feels there is any Kerala in White Widow at all?
 
Elmer Bud

Elmer Bud

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Nexus7 said:
Well I think White Widow was originally listed as a North Indian Indica x Brazilian Sativa but will check my notes again. Kerala is in Southern India I believe.

I had a quick look at the White Widows earlier ...No obvious parents yet ...

Maybe there is some merit to the seed in the hash story?

Thanks for trying ;)
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G `day N7

Story from shanti is he was in Kerala scored some herb and was having a spliff and a cup of tea , when a local approached him and let him know it was his herb he was smoking .
He then went back to the growers home and collected seeds from there .

So ,,, like I was saying does it have to be Sam`s Kerala to be Kerala ?

Wise man once said ;
Some times when you try to be a smart arse but don`t know enough about the subject you are discussing and resort to sarcasm it can back fire . :peacock:


Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
Nexus7

Nexus7

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Elmer Bud said:
G `day N7

Story from shanti is he was in Kerala scored some herb and was having a spliff and a cup of tea , when a local approached him and let him know it was his herb he was smoking .
He then went back to the growers home and collected seeds from there .

So ,,, like I was saying does it have to be Sam`s Kerala to be Kerala ?

Wise man once said ;
Some times when you try to be a smart arse but don`t know enough about the subject you are discussing and resort to sarcasm it can back fire . :peacock:


Thanks for sharin

EB .
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Greetings EB. So we have anedotal evidence from Shanti and anecdotal evidence from the local grower. People are mistaken sometimes and some will down right lie. And we have the whole Ingemar storyas well. Sure maybe it was grown in Kerala but how long has it been grown there and where and when did it originally come from?

Funnily enough most of the White Widows and Black Widows on phylos test as dutch/skunk rich. Wonder why that is?

I've identified one which looks like it shares some central american ancestry ...
 

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mexcurandero420

mexcurandero420

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Funnily enough most of the White Widows and Black Widows on phylos test as dutch/skunk rich. Wonder why that is?
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Skunk was made out of 2 sativa's and 1 indica strain, the same with the White Widow, Brazilian sativa x South-Indian sativa/indica hybrid, so it has probably to do with the make-up technically speaking.

Another thing is how sure are the tested White Widow the real White Widow?Give it a name and put it on sale because of its well-known past.
 
willydread

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One story:in early 2000 The herb was sold in Switzerland as an anti-moth or aromatherapy ... In my part we were in full skunk phenomenon, so I and some friends decided to grow it, recovering the seeds from the grass and buying from sensiseed more seeds...
After a few months we realized that the plants were very different from each other, even in Bloom, tall, short, early, long flower,...
Chatting with a guy from Lugano we discover that it was sold ALL as skunk(one plant died in mid-December due to the cold, half flowering, while others were ready by the end of September)
In a same way, i can give a leaf of my White widow (i really have one plant of ww) but I'm sure that is it?
 
W

Water-

Nexus7 said:
Funny Mr. Nice seems to list it as a Brazilian Sativa x South Indian hybrid.

Now what the heck is a South Indian hybrid? A hybrid of two unrelated South Indian types?

Still 8-10 weeks flowering time for a Brazilian Sativa x South Indian hybrid you've got to be joking right?

Also note South Indian so not necessary from Kerala either right?

I don't suppose ngakpa can testify to any late September/early October flowering types in Kerala? Or if he feels there is any Kerala in White Widow at all?
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you are mis reading it.

they are saying it is a hybrid of Brazilian and South Indian,
not that its a south indian hybrid.
 
GoatCheese

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Water- said:
you are mis reading it.

they are saying it is a hybrid of Brazilian and South Indian,
not that its a south indian hybrid.
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I think i have read Shanti call the S Indian a hybrid; it wasn't a pure sativa
..but i'm not 100% sure.
 
W

Water-

I doubt they are telling the truth as to the origins of White Widow.

it always sounded like marketing to me
 
willydread

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Sincerely, Although I've seen things I do not like at MNS in the past few years, I'm convinced that Shanti have told the truth about the lineage of ww, maybe was just a good hibrid with affi-paki-dutch...
South India is a production area of ganjah, and the same things happen in Mexico, Jamaica , Colombia and other places, looking good you can find hybrids of excellent quality ...
 
Thule

Thule

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ngakpa said:
Phylos... why anyone places weight on it I don't know
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Phylos is far for perfect but the people behind the testing are professionals and it is not that hard to pin point genetic close relatives. Why wouldn't one put weight on Phylos?
 
ngakpa

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Thule said:
Phylos is far for perfect but the people behind the testing are professionals and it is not that hard to pin point genetic close relatives. Why wouldn't one put weight on Phylos?
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Phylos has limitations on multiple levels, such as the doubtful authenticity of the material used, obviously dodgy results, and the fact that it's aimed at laymen despite the fact they/we are the last ones in a position to understand the inherent limitations of the results or how to interpret them

case in point is how people are now proclaiming that Old Timer's Haze is definitely a pure Colombian, or that Nepali and Thai cannabis are definitely closely related

if you showed this to a qualified plant geneticist or botanist do you think they'd be nodding along in agreement?

or look at some of the obviously absurd results:

take the Yarkhun and Laspur seeds that Mriko collected and gave to Sam. I was in Pakistan with him and met him on his way back from Chitral. I even know where the farmer he got some of the seeds from lives. So I can have good confidence that they are what Mriko says they are.

Yarkhun and Laspur are connected valleys. The Yarkhun is from Tehsil Mastuj. The Laspur were from mere kms distant. Look on Google Maps. Far as local farmers are concerned, they're the same plant.

Yet if you look at Phylos, apparently Senegali cannabis is more closely related to one (Yarkhun iirc) than Yarkhun and Laspur are to each other. There was a user on here defending this result on the grounds that Phylos must be right lol

So yeah, I'm not taking Phylos too seriously, and still less how it's being interpreted by non-specialists
 
ngakpa

ngakpa

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Dr.Young said:
I'd like to see how your stuff shows up on it ngakpa.... Kerala and Nanda...
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I would too, but for entertainment value mostly

one of the guys involved got in touch with me and suggested I have my landraces analysed on Phylos so I could raise my prices (to 150USD a pack or whatever) lol

prior to that I'd offered people involved in associated orgs the seeds for free, but they need grown material they said, not achenes
 
Elmer Bud

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ngakpa said:
I would too, but for entertainment value mostly

one of the guys involved got in touch with me and suggested I have my landraces analysed on Phylos so I could raise my prices (to 150USD a pack or whatever) lol

prior to that I'd offered people involved in associated orgs the seeds for free, but they need grown material they said, not achenes
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G `day ngakpa

You bring a lot of interesting information to light .
I may not agree with every thing you say . But I do respect the values I`ve seen you display .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
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