FellaAndrene
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A recent finding from Irrazin / Pak Landrace Exhange - located in Mastuj, upper Chitral Valley, Pakistan:
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Origin of beady/pearly bud pheno (Dr. Grinspoon, quaze)
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This is off topic, but i've had problems germinating their seeds... full power selections (indian landrace exchange) is kinda iffy with gear, I can show emails where i've bought niti valley twice, one I tried everything to germinate. I gave the rest of those seeds to the usda, the other again i had zero percent germination with stratification, hormones, yata yata. But on a good note Zomia seeds doesn't seem to have a similar problem (even with seeds from an extremely close local) I'm not saying anything negative, but they've gotten over 200usd from me, use that information how you will.,..
Yes these came as a surprise in the F3s, and could be from the Digiberry side or the BB side (although the Digiberry is basically a Blueberry type clone with a bit of burnt rubber smell. There were none of these phenos found in a bx to the DP BB mother so i suspect the Digi.
I think i saw the first signs of this starting in the F2 generation with some elongation of the buds on a few plants... which then became foll blown pearl phenos.. maybe 2-3 in 10 in the F3s. Resin glands on the strms/branches seems like a linked trait as well.
They smoke well and are cool and interesting (some people like them) but i don't see it as a desirable trait and i'd like to reduce the occurance of them in the line if i can. down to less than 1 in 10 or not at all. Am i missing something ? should i embrace them ?
Going back to the F2s next spring. Hopefully i know what to look out for and select against this time.
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Pics. They are very pretty!
A regular one:
and some whispy pics:
A regular one:
and some whispy pics:
Also i crossed the BDBF2 to my Old White Rhino clone and saw a similar bud elongation in a few plants that didn't quite go all the way to pearl phenos. You can also see the resin stems quite well in these pics.
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Last ones, these are 2 pearl phenos in some BlueDigiBerry F3 grown by @JustGrowing420 - he uses proper big-boy lights and everything lol.
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2015-2016
These are all F1s test runs on a personal project, result of using a Yucatan Mexican non true male pollen on a line. I dropped that project because I couldn't stop self pollinating calyxes, which some interpret as a wild/feral behaviour (survival) on certain sativa expressions. I believe Mexican influence has a big part in it but I also think its a Thai endemic trait (SEAsian for a broader spectrum).
I just ran a Chang Mai from Ace and I seen a pheno behave in the same manner, very wild looking pearl flower, I was able to cross it with another SEAsian to at least capture that pheno in the progeny.
I haven't used Grinspoon or quaze, and have seen the pearl pheno several times on broad leaf and narrow leaf cultivars. and the Wheat pheno is another kind if I may add.
These are amazingAlso i crossed the BDBF2 to my Old White Rhino clone and saw a similar bud elongation in a few plants that didn't quite go all the way to pearl phenos. You can also see the resin stems quite well in these pics.
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These should be selfed and efforts made to preserve this trait!
Thanks, they are very pretty for sure.. and the resin production is pretty impressive.. tbh i am a bit conflicted about them in the line and whether or not it's a good thing. some will love them and some won't i guess. (someone just posted in the BDB thread that they bought seeds purely to find this pheno, and others have told me that they won't buy it because of the possibility of that pheno !)
so yes, isolated in some way like selfing may be the best plan...
the possibly linked trait of glandular trics on all the stems is more exciting to me.
I'm not convinced yet that the pearl pheno in BDB is associated with any particular terp profile, but it does strike me that, with the calyxes more 'out in the open' rather than squashed together there may be scope for more resin and higher THC % ..
planning on doing more work on the line in spring and trying to make another batch of F3s that DON'T throw these pearl phenos so ive got some thinking to do and some decisions to make !
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This BlueDigiBerry pearly pheno grown by @Sub24ox7
This one by @numide outdoors/greenhouse in Spain IIRC
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What I’m working with right now.
As interesting as these look, i have a hard time imagining them being worth running. Unless they taste absolutely insane with an out of this world high and you could charge a fortune it doesnt seem viable. Strictly from a business side, if someone does personal in a tent sure that i can grasp. But how can one market this and produce it in any lucrative way? What type of yield are we seeing here? 10% of normal sounds like a high reach. Does any brand sell this flower in the legal market? I want to try some real grinspoon!
We're all looking for different things from these plants, in my environment airy landraces that don't mold do better than fighting off mold with an indica or indica hybrid. Cannabis is not about money, if you equate the profitability of growing something with a boutique land race you're not gonna have a good time. Alot of people love these plants and fall in love with a certain effect that you can't find with "bought" weed. I know I can't buy anything like I grow, its why its prized to me. With that said, if you want dr.grindspoon in western ma a cutting was floating around awhile ago, another avenue would be asking "auction" instagram accounts if they have a source or could point you in the right direction.
How could you sell something that beautiful? Seeds are one thing, but flowers like this are meant to be shared with good friends. (In my opinion)
Not every creation made by man is meant for material profit.
Perspective is what makes anything unique or valuable.
In a market where we constantly complain (I do complain) about “peanut butter cookies” and “purple bubblegum” being the strains sold and found in dispensaries… flowers and genotypes that carry this type of plant morphology are the grail because they are so different than the current status quo.
Seeing this rare phenotype in different sativa lines gives me the idea that it’s some type of old trait that got bred out of the pools because it didn’t serve a commercial purpose and well some of us are looking for it, to have it.
The high is what we want to make it… I know many smokers that prefer PGR buds, rock solid pebbles that have no taste and no actual high besides getting your mind blurry.
I can agree with the fact that string looking pearls bud don’t make a sale against a gorilla glue but in the category of uniqueness and high, mainstream flower can’t compete with these old traits.
if anyone is breeding for unique traits and characteristics I would think this is a path to explore, just like the “fern looking” trait, or any other phenotypic variation that can add another layer to the current “same old kush flower but relabeled” scene.
I still consider a pearl pheno worth the exploration.
Perspective is what makes anything unique or valuable.
In a market where we constantly complain (I do complain) about “peanut butter cookies” and “purple bubblegum” being the strains sold and found in dispensaries… flowers and genotypes that carry this type of plant morphology are the grail because they are so different than the current status quo.
Seeing this rare phenotype in different sativa lines gives me the idea that it’s some type of old trait that got bred out of the pools because it didn’t serve a commercial purpose and well some of us are looking for it, to have it.
The high is what we want to make it… I know many smokers that prefer PGR buds, rock solid pebbles that have no taste and no actual high besides getting your mind blurry.
I can agree with the fact that string looking pearls bud don’t make a sale against a gorilla glue but in the category of uniqueness and high, mainstream flower can’t compete with these old traits.
if anyone is breeding for unique traits and characteristics I would think this is a path to explore, just like the “fern looking” trait, or any other phenotypic variation that can add another layer to the current “same old kush flower but relabeled” scene.
I still consider a pearl pheno worth the exploration.
The great thing about growing weed is that we all get to choose what we grow ! - as long as we can get hold of it one way or another.
I like to grow pretty much everything at least once just to experience it... and the Pearl Pheno is a pretty cool exotic thing to experience. I would also acknowledge, as i think someone pointed out above, that the mould resistance of this morphology may give it an advantage in certain environments.
That said, i think the most likely explanation for it is that it's a form of inbreeding depression. I kind of see it as the 'opposite' of fasciation in flower: instead of there being zero stem inbetween bracts there is an elongated stem between bracts or small clusters of bracts. This in my mind could also explain the glandular trics on the stems, (because the resin production gene is switched on by flowering onset and so the stems that are forming inbetween the bracts get the resin glands too)
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I like to grow pretty much everything at least once just to experience it... and the Pearl Pheno is a pretty cool exotic thing to experience. I would also acknowledge, as i think someone pointed out above, that the mould resistance of this morphology may give it an advantage in certain environments.
That said, i think the most likely explanation for it is that it's a form of inbreeding depression. I kind of see it as the 'opposite' of fasciation in flower: instead of there being zero stem inbetween bracts there is an elongated stem between bracts or small clusters of bracts. This in my mind could also explain the glandular trics on the stems, (because the resin production gene is switched on by flowering onset and so the stems that are forming inbetween the bracts get the resin glands too)
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My pearl phenos in the Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil amazed us with the yield, looked like was going to be 5 grams but weighed around 20 grams and we average only an ounce in Organic Soil 10 litre pot normally, even with hybrids so wasn't not near as bad as i thought. These had alot of Resin and that made the weight much more than a normal pearl pheno without much Resin.
These did have an amazing taste/High so was definitely special to us , but these pearl phenos are more for the die hard Sativa Junkies chasing the purest Sativa's they can find , and maybe for breeding.
The real Quaze/Gringspoon was worth ever € it was sold for in Amsterdam, was an amazing High , shame it's not available anymore in the Coffeshop ( they probably sell it but not that special pearl/Calyx pheno
Pearl phenos Definitely won't be easy to grow or for commercial production but for Connoisseur's own personal stash definitely worth the extra work and loss in yield
