Pazzi per i semi !!!

[BRUNEZ]

forse sarò l'unico ma devo spezzare una lancia in favore della tangi ghost train haze ... qualche rara banana ... un profumo ed un sapore veramente ottimo per non parlare dell'high ... ne parlo da qua ...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=305373&page=90

ci feci anche un giro di talee

e devo anche spezzare un 'altra lancia per quanto riguarda pure sativa ... gente serie nell/dell'ambiente da 20 anni

Grazie mille per le info e le lancie spezzate Homero
Comunque mai messo in dubbio PURE SATIVA e LITTLE CHIEF COLLABS
volevo capire chi/cosa fosse "LITTLE CHIEF"


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Spettacolari le tue Tangie Ghost Train! colori e formazione dei calici bellissimi!
Proprio come diceva il buon DOC!

Grazie mille

 

[Cream47]

[FONT=&quot]Scusate l'OT, ma[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ultimamente, sento spesso dire che questa seedbank o quest'altra fa semi erma, tipo RareDankness, DNA, InHouse, TGA etc... ma riflettendo mi chiedo, non è che siamo noi che abbiamo qualche problema nella gestione del coltivo facendo si che la probabilità di avere erma aumenta, mi spiego nell'ultimo coltivo ho cominciato a fare pulizie durante la fase di stretch e mi sono ritrovato un sacco di palle e banane, ma me l'aspettavo e non direi mai che ho avuto erma per colpa della SB ansi guarda caso l'unica che non ha avuti problemi è stata la Lemon Og di DNA, poi di RareDankness ho fatto la BlueOx ed anche qui nessun problema di erma, certo con alcune genetiche come la GG#4 bisogna stare attenti ma questo si sa perché è la genetica stessa ad avere questi tratti.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Io spesso noto che comunque la DR90 fa passare un po’ di luce dalla cerniera, di conseguenza se vedo luce quando è buio se c’è un raggio la luce entra e potrebbe creare il danno, per fortuna la grow sta in una stanza chiusa quindi personalmente non ho questo tipo di problema, ma secondo me prima bisogna indagare per bene per capire se il problema non dipende dall’ambiente di coltivo. Poi mi dirai si ma questa genetica ha delle palle e quella accanto no, ma ricordiamoci che alcune sono più propense ad altre e basta un piccolo stress per creare il danno.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Fine OT, se i mod o qualche utente non ritiene idoneo questo posto si può tranquillamente cancellare ;-) era solo una riflessione.[/FONT]

 

[Piro]

[FONT=&quot]Scusate l'OT, ma[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ultimamente, sento spesso dire che questa seedbank o quest'altra fa semi erma, tipo RareDankness, DNA, InHouse, TGA etc... ma riflettendo mi chiedo, non è che siamo noi che abbiamo qualche problema nella gestione del coltivo facendo si che la probabilità di avere erma aumenta, mi spiego nell'ultimo coltivo ho cominciato a fare pulizie durante la fase di stretch e mi sono ritrovato un sacco di palle e banane, ma me l'aspettavo e non direi mai che ho avuto erma per colpa della SB ansi guarda caso l'unica che non ha avuti problemi è stata la Lemon Og di DNA, poi di RareDankness ho fatto la BlueOx ed anche qui nessun problema di erma, certo con alcune genetiche come la GG#4 bisogna stare attenti ma questo si sa perché è la genetica stessa ad avere questi tratti.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Io spesso noto che comunque la DR90 fa passare un po’ di luce dalla cerniera, di conseguenza se vedo luce quando è buio se c’è un raggio la luce entra e potrebbe creare il danno, per fortuna la grow sta in una stanza chiusa quindi personalmente non ho questo tipo di problema, ma secondo me prima bisogna indagare per bene per capire se il problema non dipende dall’ambiente di coltivo. Poi mi dirai si ma questa genetica ha delle palle e quella accanto no, ma ricordiamoci che alcune sono più propense ad altre e basta un piccolo stress per creare il danno.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Fine OT, se i mod o qualche utente non ritiene idoneo questo posto si può tranquillamente cancellare ;-) era solo una riflessione.[/FONT]

Secondo me il 90% dei breeders non stressa le linee. Ora è abbastanza scontato che dopo anni di incroci, e femminizzazioni degli strain, la sensibilità agli stress è la stabilità sia andata perduta. Il problema è che continuano a lavorare ed ad incrociare alla cazzo di cane, non danno avvertimenti o cosa, quando gli presenti il problema ti rispondono :sopra i 1200 btm c'è rischio di Erma, oppure outdoor vanno da dio indoor sono più sensibili. Ora Bodhi credo sia il primo che ho visto, che su di un nuovo pacchetto ha scritto :specified for outdoor, very sensitive indoor. Spero che altri non la usino come paraculata questa cosa, e inizino a testare veramente le linee come alcuni veri breeders seri, oltre Bodhi mi viene in mente CSI Humboldt che in un post di mesi fa scrisse più o meno questo su di un proprio cross di GSC: uno dei migliori cross degli ultimi tempi, per struttura e terpeni, ma troppi Erma durante i test non verrà rilasciata. Purtroppo è una cosa con cui dobbiamo convivere oramai quella degli erma, volenti o nolenti, certe linee sono a rischio e non ci deve stupire più di tanto, bisognerebbe farsi due domande in più se è il caso di acquistare il pacchetto. Chiudo dicendo che più commerciali è più business fanno certe barche seme, meno genetiche stabile troverete, questo è riscontrato da anni.

 

[ohimaria]

Io sono 2 anni che pianto semenze fem da 2 euri della casa piu commerciale l anno scorso trovai solo un semino bianco non formato quindi se ha sbananato ha "sbananato" tardi , invece quest anno sto trovando qualche semino solo nella seconda casa piu commerciale... nella prima non ce un seme neanche a volerlo...

 

[Pablitos]

Chiudo dicendo che più commerciali è più business fanno certe barche seme, meno genetiche stabile troverete, questo è riscontrato da anni.

Io sto seguendo solo da un anno e l'idea che mi ero fatto era esattamente il contraio, in area novizi girano molti semi commerciali e non ho mai notato erma, nemmeno io con i pochi semi che ho piantato.


Ho iniziato a sentire parlare di sbananamenti proprio su questo thread quando si parla di seedbank a me sconosciute e forse un po più di nicchia.

 

[Piro]

Io sto seguendo solo da un anno e l'idea che mi ero fatto era esattamente il contraio, in area novizi girano molti semi commerciali e non ho mai notato erma, nemmeno io con i pochi semi che ho piantato.


Ho iniziato a sentire parlare di sbananamenti proprio su questo thread quando si parla di seedbank a me sconosciute e forse un po più di nicchia.

Ho scordato di aggiungere Americani, perché di sicuro sui femminizzati in Europa abbiamo più noi da insegnarli. Non intendo gente come Dinafem o Sweet Seeds. , vedo che tanti comunque qui sono rimasti meno aggiornati sulla roba di moda diciamo. Poi basta vi fate un giro anche su Instagram oltre che qui è troverete tanta gente che riscontra problemi di Erma sui nuovi ceppi. Come esiste gente consapevole di rilasciare cross erma vedi Karma Genetics Exotic Mike .

 

[BRUNEZ]

Io personalmente non ho mai avuto problemi con Rare Dankness ma ho fatto solo la Ghost train haze e basta, ma comunque zero erma e zero feno kush.. sono d'accordo che alcune genetiche sono state create a partire da strain con tratti ermafroditi e appunto non sarebbe strano beccare una bananina su questi strains..
ma è anche vero come diceva "magic" Piro che ormai il 90% delle seeds bank sono pollen chuckers che rilasciano solo roba untested e senza il minimo lavoro di stabilizzazione stress test/germination test perché interessati solo a rilasciare il più velocemente possibile una genetica per guadagnare soldi a discapito della stabilità, ma che cazzo gliene frega a loro? tanto la colpa sarà sempre dei grower e di chi le coltiva e mai del breeder

Sono anche totalmente d'accordo sul fatto che in Europa la capacità di creare feminized sia molto più elevata che in USA e non vorrei dire una cagata ma se non sbaglio sono molte le seeds bank americane che si appoggiano/trasferiscono/delegano la produzione di feminized in spagna..

 

[Piro]

ma che cazzo gliene frega a loro? tanto la colpa sarà sempre dei grower e di chi le coltiva e mai del breeder .

Qui hai centrato il punto, è sempre colpa nostra per alcuni di loro, io ho avuto una scambio di vedute una volta con In a House Genetics , dove appunto rispondeva alle TANTE lamentele, sui troppi erma, rimedio abbassare i bpm del EC, et voilà fine problemi.
A parte che gli è le dissero di tutti i colori, io gli dissi soltanto che non tutti si basano o controllano L'EC chi fa organico è un fattore irrilevante per alcuni versi, lui mi rispose che era attento al suo giardino , e poi mise il profilo privato cancellando tutti i post contro. Ormai che ci siamo cito DVG Genetics , selezione non mia ma di un amico, Grower serio e cazzuto, Lefty LaKakada non il primo arrivato. 15 semi di uno strain o maschi o erma, nessuna femmina. Riporta il feed al breeder, la sua risposta fu:e che ci posso fare io, capita anche a me a volte, fa parte del nostro lavoro. Mega figura di merda, ed ego smisurato, gli regalava 2 pacchetti faveca più bella figura.

 

[Pablitos]

Ho scordato di aggiungere Americani, perché di sicuro sui femminizzati in Europa abbiamo più noi da insegnarli. Non intendo gente come Dinafem o Sweet Seeds. , vedo che tanti comunque qui sono rimasti meno aggiornati sulla roba di moda diciamo. Poi basta vi fate un giro anche su Instagram oltre che qui è troverete tanta gente che riscontra problemi di Erma sui nuovi ceppi. Come esiste gente consapevole di rilasciare cross erma vedi Karma Genetics Exotic Mike .

Grazie Piro, non sapevo nemmeno del discorso femm in europa

 

[Piro]

Però riportiamo tutto visto ci siamo.
Il mio migliore amico ha preso settimana scorsa un pacchetto femm di Northern Ligths Sensi Seeds, si loro forse tra i primi in questi settore come esperienza e longevità. Pacchetto da 5 Seeds sigillato, lo apre dentro ci sono 4 semi. Manda un pm su Instagram al breeder, risposta mandaci una email con i dati te ne invieremo un altro. Manda la email, risposta :devi parlare con il tuo venditore di semi, e sentire il distributore per il tuo paese!!! Cioè una confezione sigillata da loro è colpa del distributore? Cosa fa apre il pacchetto e lo ri sigilla a calore?! Siamo rimasti allibiti. Sensi cioè un seme stiamo parlando.

 

[Pablitos]

Customer Care questo sconosciuto, per 5€ si sono persi uno/due clienti.
Pacchetto sostitutivo più un seme omaggio ne conquistavano 2 e davano modo di provare un'altra loro genetica.

 

[Tony_Soprano]

Non so se sia il topic corretto, ma mi hanno segnalato questo, e lo condivido che magari a qualcuno interessa.
Eventualmente fate rimuovere/editare se inopportuno.

The Cannabis Trail Blazers Series: The Origins of OG Kush - Part I​

One of our favorite aspects of the cannabis plant is its variety.
As cannabis moves mainstream, there is a corporate push to homogenize the way that the grassroots cannabis community has always classified and named the strains that we all know and love.
But it is the history and the lore behind each and every strain that intrigues us so much. That respect for the provenance of the plant constitutes a large part of this culture – and it is under attack.
In an attempt to record and preserve this hard-earned folklore we will be taking an in-depth look at the history of perhaps the most iconic cannabis strain today – OG Kush.
In this multipart breakdown, we will introduce you to some of the people responsible for creating it, perfecting it, and proliferating its availability to the height of popularity that it deserves today. Kind of like a Star Wars saga, we are going to start in the middle, then take you back to the beginning, before a look to the future.

So sit back, spark one up, and enjoy Part I of the Beard Bros. Pharms Cannabis Trailblazers Series – The Origins of OG Kush

LET’S TAKE IT BACK… WAY BACK​

The year is 1996, the backdrop is Los Angeles.
The Fugees were killing us softly, Pac was out on bail fresh outta jail California dreamin’, and the Golden State was about to change the game when it comes to cannabis reform with the passage of Prop 215 to establish what would soon become the largest medical marijuana market on the planet.
But even before the sudden glimmer of legality, intrepid cultivators had harvested countless backyard cannabis crops in the hills and canyons of LA and that’s where we find Josh D, aka @therealogkushstory, living a rebellious life as a young black market weed grower.
Josh’s first experience with cannabis occurred around the age of 13. He calls it a “revelation” and says, “I had a love affair right away with its effects.”

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By the age of 17 he was quite literally travelling the world meeting other cannabis connoisseurs and collecting pot seeds for his own garden back at home.
Around this same time, on the other side of the country, a guy named Matt “Bubba” Berger was also bucking the law and kicking out top shelf fire before it was even a term. Known locally in Florida for his prized cut of a possible Northern Lights pheno, which he dubbed ‘Bubba’, Berger also came up on another Florida cannabis legend called Kryptonite. This high grade weed allegedly originated in Seattle and would get shipped back east in hard packed rectangular bricks. This added density, along with the overpowering effects of the weed itself, produced the name Kryptonite.
As so often happens, the name got chopped down over the years to Krippy, and soon was used to describe any and all high grade cannabis in the region.
As the story goes, one of Berger’s buddies loved the Krippy so much that he referred to the frosty, dense nugs as “Kushberries” - apparently with no intended correlation to, or knowledge of, the Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan that produced some of the world’s most potent weed at the time.
The name stuck, and was eventually chopped down to “Kush”.
It wasn’t long after that when Josh D’s orbit crossed with Berger’s.

ONLY IN LA…​

Back on the west coast, things were heating up in the medical marijuana market.
Matt Berger had made the move from Florida to SoCal and was linked with Josh through a mutual friend named Chris the old fashioned way, before the days of social media and text messages.
Josh, Matt, and their buddy moved into a place in Hollywood, and Josh dug into the extensive collection of seeds that he had been stockpiling. He picked up a single used 1000 watt grow light out of the personal ads in the back of the local paper and began growing again.
Berger saw that his buddy Josh was the real deal, and fairly sure that nothing quite like Kush existed in LA, Berger packed his bags and made his way back to Florida to retrieve his prized cuts of Kush, Bubba, and a strain called KY, to bring them back west.
This is the trip that would change everything.
Armed with the rare genetics from Berger, Josh D led what can only be described as a revolution in Southern California of not just what strains were grown, but how they were grown as well.
Not only was their Kush blowing minds, but this same exact basement grow op is where the original version of Bubba Kush came from. Much like some of the most iconic strains we know of, Bubba Kush was the result of an accidental pollination of a lower nug on a Kush plant. They harvested some seeds from that pollinated bud and there’s your origin on Bubba Kush, another legendary strain.
Meanwhile, law enforcement was treating weed, and especially grow ops, as Public Enemy #1, and people were getting busted regularly over their association with the plant.
The model of growing stretchy, Sativa-leaning, cannabis plants in one’s yard brought a lot of risk, as those trees of THC could be hard to conceal from nosy neighbors, pesky police, or the threat of thieves.
Around that same time, High Times Magazine released an article touting a “Million Dollar Crop” that highlighted the burgeoning technology of growing cannabis indoors instead of out, and in a rock wool hydroponic system instead of soil.
Growing weed indoors changed the game in LA, and everywhere else, taking it out of the watchful eyes of law enforcement and concealing it all behind closed doors (and blacked out windows).
Josh became an expert in the technique and began to spread his understanding far and wide.
The Kush strain was, and still is, notoriously difficult to grow properly. It is super sensitive to light, it’s picky about its nutes, and if you stress it at all, it can throw nanners or seeds and wreck an entire crop.
On top of that, it grew in an odd, lanky manner with wide gaps between its internodes, and smaller clusters of buds when compared to more traditional landrace indica strains. But, once in flower, the strain always proved its worth by producing dense, greasy, diamond coated buds packed with flavor, aroma, and effects far superior to more common watered-down strains.
Josh D dialed it all in and began to gift the strain knowledge along with his hydro knowledge, and the game changed once again.
By 1997, the strain was easily fetching up to $8,000 per pound based on low supply, high demand, and even higher quality. This incredible rise in popularity, we believe, is something that could have only happened in LA.

NO, IT AIN’T OCEAN GROWN

The thing about nicknames is that they have to be earned.
The term “Kush” was too broad, particularly given its unintended relation to a Middle Eastern mountain range and the hashplants it produced. Josh D and his crew soon dubbed the west coast version as “OG Kush”.
Since that day, a heated debate has raged in the cannabis community about what exactly the OG stands for in OG Kush.
Given the popularity of the strain in LA, many tokers think it means “Original Gangster” - homage to the hardcore hip hop scene in SoCal in the early 90’s. Close, but no cigar…
Others will swear to you that it means “Ocean Grown”, and that it must be cultivated within a certain number of miles from the breaking waves of the Pacific Ocean to earn the name.
Josh D is amused by the speculation, but definitively ends the debate here once and for all.
“We called it OG because it was authentic… the original,” he says.
In SoCal slang, an OG is someone (or something, in this case) that is old-school and respected. It is a term that is earned.
The new name really struck a chord in the music industry, and the fact that the strain provided face-melting effects and unrivaled flavor and aroma landed it in the studios, and the lyrics, of some of the hottest hip hop and rap artists at the time.

A LEGEND IS BORN

You can walk into just about any dispensary today and they will have multiple variations of OG Kush.
Highly sought after due to its pungent, gassy aroma and surefire effects, OG Kush has set a bar for both potency and terpene levels that few other strains, or families of strains, have been able to rival. This is why now, over 20 years later, the strain remains as popular as ever.
When you think about it, OG Kush has created a microeconomy of its own within the cannabis industry and that humbles Josh D who appreciates how relevant the strain has remained.
Phylos Bioscience is an agricultural genomics company based in Portland, Oregon. They use “modern molecular genetics and computational biology to better understand the most important and least-studied plant in the world: Cannabis.”
Their “Galaxy” of strain provenance is considered by many to be the bible of bud history. So it only makes sense that Josh D’s OG Kush cut serves as the cornerstone of that section of the galactic map.
It is really ironic to think that one of the driving forces behind the rise of this game-changing strain was the hardcore prohibition of cannabis that thrived in the 1990’s.
Josh D can remember a time when he would stop a few blocks down from the hydro store to switch out his license plates trying to duck the authorities. He has done time in jail for weed and has met others who have as well.
“We’re not tough guys,” explains Josh, “most of us are intellectuals fighting for what we know is right.”

THE NEXT CHAPTER

He views OG Kush as a medicinal tool that has been enhancing lives in a positive way for decades and he has no plans to stop spreading that positivity, one nug at a time.
“I have helped people. I have shared my ideas and my success,” says Josh, “so now we need good, healthy competition to let everyone try to claim their stake. There is a lot of talent in California, and I hope everyone gets a chance to put theirs out there.”
On top of that, he worries that genetics are suffering and that easy-to-grow filler strains like Blue Dream and Grand Daddy Purple are back on the rise, often under fabricated names.
These days, Josh D is legally operating in the California cannabis industry, continuing to build on his top shelf reputation and protect that of the strain.
It is still Josh’s dream to see a truly free and open market for cannabis, but in the meantime he says, “Whatever the game is, you’ve got to find a way to play it.”


www.joshdfarms.com

As for OG Kush, he feels that the cut is as strong as ever.

With a new licensed cannabis cultivation center just north of Los Angeles, the Josh D brand just harvested their first commercial crop of OG under the new laws and those incredible flowers will be hitting the top shelves of dispensaries from Diego to the Bay by the end of November.
For two decades, Josh D and growers like him had to operate in the shadows. The 24/7 threat of arrest, or robbery, or worse, could dominate half of your focus and a significant portion of your time which certainly had an effect on the potential of the plants under your care.
Today’s legal market brings stresses all its own, but now licensed cultivators can build state-of-the-art facilities and dedicate their focus on the health of their plants at every stage and the results speak for themselves.

TIME TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

For 20 years, Josh D and other rebel weed growers kept their identities, and their stories, closely guarded. As the popularity of the OG Kush strain and all of its variants skyrocketed, alleged stories of its origin began floating around – most of them completely devoid of truth.
So now Josh D and others with key parts of the story to add are ready to set the record straight on the origins of OG Kush.
Josh is quick and adamant to point out that he did not create the strain.
Matt Berger brought it to LA.
With his help, Josh D then spread the cut to worthy heads while revolutionizing the indoor hydro game in LA.
For the past 20+ years Josh has propagated and protected the line, and the story we just told you.
In our opinion, the timing was just too perfect, and the fateful connection between Josh and Matt Berger that brought that Florida “Kush” back to Cali forever changed the course of cannabis history.
Krippy, Kushberries, Triangle Kush, whatever you want to call it… it would have certainly continued to thrive in Florida, but it blew up in LA.
Without OGs like Matt ‘Bubba Kush’ Berger and Josh D, we’d never have OG Kush – it’s that simple.
But what about those crews back in Florida that first held these genetics? Where did Bubba originally get the strain that he eventually passed on to Josh D?

Liberamente copia/incollato da www.beardbrospharm.com

 

[Tony_Soprano]

The Cannabis Trail Blazers Series: The Origins of OG Kush - Part II​

In Part I of the Origins of OG Kush in our Beard Bros. Pharms Cannabis Trail Blazers Series we introduced you to Josh D and his story about how the legendary OG Kush strain got to Southern California back in the mid-1990’s and absolutely blew up from there to the royalty it is today.

That crucial chapter of cannabis history has long been debated, but the weed world was not a very big place 20 years ago. Now that some of the key players from that era have started comparing their tight-held tales and timelines, some of the main pieces of the puzzle have begun snapping into place.

At the beginning of Part I we told you that we were actually starting in the middle of the saga, and at the end, we wondered where Matt “Bubba” Berger got the Florida-held genetics that were eventually brought out west - and that’s the story we have for you today.
This story, like everything rooted in weed, all began with a seed.
But let’s take it back to the beginning...

FAST TIMES IN POMPANO BEACH
For those of us who grew up in the 1980’s, the style and swag of Florida’s culture almost defined the decade. Fluorescent fashion, convertible cars, hot sunshine, and even hotter women provided the playground for America’s drug-fueled coming out party.
Picture Miami Vice, or, if you’re too young for that just imagine a real life version of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. This was Pompano Beach and South Florida in the 80’s and this is where we meet @origins_tk, a 13 year old grom pinching Krypto buds from his pops, skippin’ school, and surfing all day till the sun went down.
His story is full of intriguing details, many of which openly defy not only the laws at the time, but also the law of the land where he currently resides south of the border. So for his own safety, we will refer to him in this story as OTK.
Growing up in the Florida surfing scene, OTK began kicking it with an older neighbor who shared his passion for surfing and smoking. That neighb introduced OTK to a crew of older dudes that saw the young reefer-loving rebel as a welcome sidekick on their epic adventures.
They turned him on to the original Krypto bud from other surfers in Central Florida. He recalls rides in ragtop 4x4 jeeps full of high grade herb and hot women...and plenty of police chases through the hot, humid nights of the 1980’s.
For the next three years, high school became little more than an afterthought as OTK fell deeper into the surf life. He was instead inspired by riding waves and filming the older heads and local pros surfing the local pier on a good day, and blazing Crippy weed and rewatching the footage later that day in some of the older guys’ cribs.
By the age of 17, OTK was all in. He had left home and his surfing connections led him to bigger players in the local weed game. Before he knew it, OTK was scooping 10-20lbs at a pop from an English dude we will call The Governor.
Living a good life full of women, waves, and weed, OTK was shook back to reality after a bankrupting double robbery in 1990. His own roommate – the same dude that introduced him to the crew – was the perpetrator. After the first hit, OTK used all his spare cash to re-up and get back in the game… and then got setup again by the same asshole.
At this point, The Governor knew that OTK was in the game for the right reasons and he took the young baller under his wing. He brought OTK to the local grow op for the first time, a trip that would change the kid’s life, and perhaps cannabis history, forever.

THE BLUEPRINT

The local grow was pretty basic by today’s standards, but was cutting edge and highly illegal at the time in Florida. It typically consisted of a 12-light setup and eventually began to incorporate tech we take for granted today, like DIY homemade trellis netting.
The entire process became known as ‘the blueprint’, and it’s thought that the original step-by-step plan was handed down to outlaw Florida growers by some really old school head from the Pacific Northwest.
OTK saw the bigger picture immediately and later that same year he took an all-expense-paid trip to Amsterdam for the ultimate international pheno hunt with plans to bring the world’s best genetics back to Central Florida.
Now, the weed that OTK and his crew were dealing with back home in those days was arguably as good as it got at the time. Strain names had not caught on yet, so the bomb ass weed in the region was usually given general adjectives and nicknames. Much like “Chronic” isn’t a certain strain, neither was “Crippy”. So, when the Kryptonite crew in Central Florida lost that strain to a major bust, Crippy/Krippy became a shorthand description for high grade weed sort of like “hydro” or “indo”.
In Amsterdam, OTK was having a hard time finding weed that could meet his own high standards when they came across Neville’s Seed Catalog. Again, the strain names within meant little to them, so they bought the entire catalog and OTK smuggled upwards of $10,000 worth of cannabis seeds back home to the U.S.
Remember, he’s barely 18 at this time, working for a crew that was installing ‘the blueprint’ in homes up and down the Florida coast. Things were getting heavy.
So, in 1990, he and the crew start popping packs from their massive seed bank, hoping to find the next big thing.

THINGS POP

While testing various seeds in rockwool, OTK had sexed them out and separated some promising looking Hindu Kush seedlings that he had popped from the Neville score with hopes of hunting down a viable pheno to add to the operation.
He took a few of the Hindu testers and placed them just inside the doorway of a stacked flower room for safe keeping.
This room was packed to the gills with a funky, flavorful strain known at the time as Emerald Triangle – almost certainly a product of, and a call back to, the notoriously cannabis-rich culture that still thrives in Northern California.
Due to the way they jammed ‘the blueprint’ into small, residential spaces, there was really no way to access the center, edges, or back of the Emerald Triangle sea of green after about Week 3. You couldn’t even crawl in if you had to.
When it came time to harvest that room, the crew realized that one of the Hindu testers must have chucked some pollen and, to their dismay, there was scattered pollination throughout the room.
OTK took the blame for the mishap, even though he had been sure that no male plants were present. The entire episode made him focus on selling the seeded crop as quickly as possible to put it all behind him.
The buds were still dripping with shimmering trichomes and gushing with exotic aromas, and the seeding was not too prevalent. Overall, OTK estimates that they lost about five pounds of yield due to the error, but the remaining 30 pounds of weed sold out almost immediately in Florida’s black market.

ORBITS CROSS NEAR JUPITER (FL)

So, here we are in the early-to-mid 1990’s and this slightly seeded Emerald Triangle has flooded Florida.
This is right around the same point in time that Matt “Bubba” Berger, living in Florida at the time, came up on the genetics that would eventually become OG Kush back in Los Angeles just a few years later.
While digging deeper into the history of OG Kush, we were left with the question: Where did Matt Berger get the prized cut that he would later deliver to Josh D?
Well, as the story goes, some of that seeded weed was being broken up for a sesh one day at the home of OTK’s main customer in Orlando when a couple of healthy looking beans popped out onto the tray.
A dude named Alec has told a similar story to outlets like the Adam Dunn Show, stating that it was him that found an Emerald Triangle seed, though he referred to it as ‘Blue Triangle’.
The story goes that Alec kept the seed and grew it out. As luck would have it, a fresh cut clone of this newfound strain made its way back to that dude in Orlando who then passed it back to OTK in 1994.
At first, the strain would only yield about one ounce per plant, but OTK soon had it dialed in and it would become his go-to.
Again, strain names didn’t carry as much weight then as they do now, and were often changed by dealers to increase hype. But, OTK is very confident that those ‘Blue Triangle’ seeds from Alec’s story are from that 30lbs of seeded weed that hit the streets, essentially making them a crude cross of Hindu Kush x Emerald Triangle.
Around this same time, The Governor got nailed by law enforcement and did four years behind bars before eventually being deported back to the UK.
Throughout 1995-96 OTK kicked in tens of thousands of dollars to help his friend and mentor with legal fees. Unfortunately, the pressure of the situation got to the Gov and he started singing to investigators. His loose lips led to legal problems for several of the key players in OTK’s crew, including their ringleader who was forced to go on the run from authorities and was later apprehended and forced to serve a long federal prison sentence.
To this day, The Governor has never been heard from again.
By then, OTK had already parted ways with his original crew, many of whom had fallen victim to the raging War on Drugs.
He was pumping out big weight, mostly of his killer new hypebeast that was being loosely referred to as ‘The Triangle’, or even simpler, ‘The Tri’. His main clientele were surfers and wakeboarders but he was admittedly completely unaware of the waves that the genetics were making on the other side of the country thanks to Matt Berger and Josh D.
In 1998, OTK moved to Melbourne, Florida. For the next decade, he was growing outstanding Triangle, surfing every chance he got, and just loving life in general while ducking both cops and robbers every step of the way.

WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ WARRANT

One day in 2010, OTK was chilling in his front yard in Melbourne when two ordinary looking men approached him, taking him to the ground to kickoff what would become the worst day of his life.
Restrained in his own driveway, OTK (and the entire neighborhood) watched as federal law enforcement officers gutted his house, including his own grow. Flowering plants were chopped and laid out before him in front of the house while live trays of cuts and hard earned genetics were confiscated intact and carried away.
His demands for a warrant fell on deaf ears as the search continued. This breach of his rights could have potentially gotten state charges tossed out, but the Feds don’t fuck around and OTK eventually found himself serving a two year sentence.
Between his probation, pre-sentencing, and the time he did behind bars, a four year window elapsed where OTK couldn’t have anything to do with growing or smoking weed.
Many parole officers would force a person in his situation to go get a menial job at a fast food restaurant or something to keep them out of trouble, but OTK was an aspiring artist and was able to turn that passion into a full time job creating jaw dropping hand painted seascapes and selling them at local art shows and fairs.
This creative outlet really helped him through a very rough time in his life.
Being stripped of his freedom was painful enough, but when that raid was over, so too was the legacy of the Triangle in OTK’s mind.
Little did he know how beneficial an accidentally seeded crop would prove to be for years to come.

LAYING BACK IN THE CUT

Today, OTK is a free man. He has bounced out of the U.S. and lives an ideal life south of the border riding waves and laying low.
With the rise of social media, and the fall of social stigmas, many old school heads have resurfaced to tell their own war stories, and OTK has, until very recently, been fine with hanging back in the shadows and observing.
He saw the popularity of a strain called Triangle Kush and was instantly intrigued.
When he started studying the history behind OG Kush, his research led him to Josh D.
He and Josh have a friend in common who is known on Instagram as @miami.mango
Mango grew up with OTK back in Florida, and once he started doing the math and overlaying his and OTK’s timeline with that of Josh and Berger’s, it all started to click.
As with most legendary strains, stories swirled about the origins of Triangle Kush, but as is often the case, few were grounded in any sort of reality. That’s when Mango decided to out his old friend on an Instagram post, revealing to the world that the likely creator of The Triangle was not only alive and well, but was ready to tell his version of events.
All of this has gone down just in the past 2-3 months, including the formation of the @origins_tk Instagram account.
In that time, OTK has been able to make a trip north to California where he got to meet face to face with Josh D, and got to see Josh D’s foundational OG Kush, and his Skunk Master Flex version of Triangle Kush, both just prior to harvest.
At that time, when inspected side by side, the OG and the TK looked almost identical – further cementing the case that they could have originally been one and the same.
Shortly after OTK returned home, however, Josh informed him that the two had begun to show some pretty distinct differences. Most noticeably, the TK appeared to be finishing a bit faster and was showing a pointier crown when compared to the rounder tops on the OG plants.
Still, OTK is sitting on a pine-fuel stank filled jar of Josh D’s properly cured OG Kush flowers and he says it’s like a trip back in time to the Tri he remembers so well.

VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE

There are certainly doubters to this story.
Many people are quick to say that they have grown both, and that they have nothing in common.
To that, OTK points out that back in the 80’s and 90’s in Florida, there was a very distinct difference in bud structure and overall quality depending on if you harvested in the hot, humid summer, or in the more temperate winter. Same strain, same room, vastly different results.
He also points to the sheer amount of time that has transpired since those glory days, and how many hands have touched both The Triangle and OG Kush. Different growing environments, trait selection, and standard procedures over decades of prohibition could have certainly altered the two lines enough to create some confusion.
Nobody knows how many of those accidental Emerald Triangle x Hindu Kush seeds made it into circulation, but we know that some did.
We also know that cuts of the same cross were making their way around Florida around 1994 when we catch up to Matt Berger’s role in this story.
These timelines, along with the endorsement of OTK’s version of events by Josh D, has us fairly confident that we have found the true roots of OG Kush.
A lot of people have made a lot of money off of The Triangle, The Tri, Triangle Kush, or any of its seemingly infinite number of crosses and hybrids over the past 25+ years.
For a very cool guy with a very cool story, one of the coolest things about OTK is the fact that he isn’t looking for a penny for his part in the provenance of the strain. Hell, until his buddy Mango shouted him out, he was perfectly happy keeping ten toes in the ocean and his larger-than-life story to himself.
He is well aware that he lost the cut in 2010 and that if not for the ongoing work by crews like the Swamp Boys, Skunk Master Flex, Jungle Boys, csi-Humboldt, Seedjunkies, Bread House, and others, the terps and the lore behind them could have been gone forever.
The best part is, this story isn’t over.
As more influential Cannabis Trail Blazers like Josh D and OTK put out the real truth, Beard Bros. Pharms will be here to lay it all out for the true connoisseurs.
For now, we’ve got our sights set on @miami.mango … we hear he has a story to tell.

Sempre da beardbrospharm dot com

 

[DocKush]

[FONT=&quot]Scusate l'OT, ma[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Ultimamente, sento spesso dire che questa seedbank o quest'altra fa semi erma, tipo RareDankness, DNA, InHouse, TGA etc... ma riflettendo mi chiedo, non è che siamo noi che abbiamo qualche problema nella gestione del coltivo facendo si che la probabilità di avere erma aumenta, mi spiego nell'ultimo coltivo ho cominciato a fare pulizie durante la fase di stretch e mi sono ritrovato un sacco di palle e banane, ma me l'aspettavo e non direi mai che ho avuto erma per colpa della SB ansi guarda caso l'unica che non ha avuti problemi è stata la Lemon Og di DNA, poi di RareDankness ho fatto la BlueOx ed anche qui nessun problema di erma, certo con alcune genetiche come la GG#4 bisogna stare attenti ma questo si sa perché è la genetica stessa ad avere questi tratti.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Io spesso noto che comunque la DR90 fa passare un po’ di luce dalla cerniera, di conseguenza se vedo luce quando è buio se c’è un raggio la luce entra e potrebbe creare il danno, per fortuna la grow sta in una stanza chiusa quindi personalmente non ho questo tipo di problema, ma secondo me prima bisogna indagare per bene per capire se il problema non dipende dall’ambiente di coltivo. Poi mi dirai si ma questa genetica ha delle palle e quella accanto no, ma ricordiamoci che alcune sono più propense ad altre e basta un piccolo stress per creare il danno.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Fine OT, se i mod o qualche utente non ritiene idoneo questo posto si può tranquillamente cancellare ;-) era solo una riflessione.[/FONT]

mah..... cream spero mi perdonerai ma francamente non condivido il tuo pensiero.

io parlo per la mia esperienza......
ho fatto moltissime genetiche "commerciali" femminilizzate, piegandole, potandole e stressandole in ogni modo possibile ed immaginabile, ma non ho mai riscontrato alcun problema di erma. l unica bank commerciale che 8 volte su 10 mi ha dato problemi di erma è proprio dna genetics "sia regolari che femminilizzati", ma bisogna fare attenzione alle linee genetiche seguite....... la lemon og kush è una lemon skunk x og#18, ed entrambe queste linee sono "abbastanza" stabili da questo punto di vista. il problema con dna arriva principalmente quando c'è di mezzo la tangie e la kosher..."che sono presenti in moltissimi cross"...... se provi a metterne giù 20 piante, con tutta probabilità più della metà sbananeranno.



riguardo le genetiche americane, è tutto un altro discorso........ i cut d' elite che usano, portano molto spesso geni erma e ti posso assicurare che non puoi farci nulla per ovviare agli sbanamenti, anche lasciando le piante il più naturali possibili, non potando nulla e tenendo un range di alimentazione basico, gli sbanamenti avvengono "regolarmente" ad ogni selecta.



non voglio "tirare acqua al mio mulino", ma non credo che la colpa della maggior parte degli sbananamenti sia riconducibile al grower, o alle condizioni ambientali, ma sia frutto esclusivamente della genetica. anche i breeder penso che possano fare ben poco per ovviare a questo problema, ma almeno potrebbero testare ed avvisare la clientela dei possibili problemi visto i costi della loro fagiolanza.


è come vendere una ferrari col motore grippato.......e poi dire "ma tu no sai guidare".......... se poi per stress, si intende che basta guardare male una pianta per farla sbananare, beh allora mi arrendo.......

 

[ohimaria]

Bè si chiamano DNA genetics poi non ammettono che l ermafroditismo sta nel DNA dei semi, ma lo imputano al grower, e/o alle condizioni ambientali?

In outdoor, le condizioni ambientali possono essere anche peggiori dell indoor, l unica cosa e che in outdoor la pianta segue un fotoperiodo piu "naturale", non passa a 12/ 12 in un giorno ma un minuto- 2 al giorno...

 

[Gam]

la lemon og kush è una lemon skunk x og#18, ed entrambe queste linee sono "abbastanza" stabili da questo punto di vista. il problema con dna arriva principalmente quando c'è di mezzo la tangie e la kosher..."che sono presenti in moltissimi cross"...... se provi a metterne giù 20 piante, con tutta probabilità più della metà sbananeranno.

Quoto per i problemi della kosher e della tangie, avendo avuto banane sia nella Skywalker OG (Skywalker x kosher) che nella 24k (kosher x tangie o viceversa non ricordo).
OG#18 zero problemi, però Lemon OG imho è un troiaio, tutti i pheno erano skunk e poco kushy, ma magari sono stato sfortunato io.
Anche le varie chocolope sempre fatte senza erma, quindi sono d'accordo con il doc, i problemi dei grwer sono ininfluenti quando una genetica è fallata.

 

[BRUNEZ]

Pure Mosca Seeds ha iniziato a lavorare con la linea GMO FUEL
e RedScare non si è messo a piangere anzi è contento di chi usa le sue genetiche per fare semi, soldi e mantenere la famiglia o comprare crack
Grande redScare
Spero si vede..

 

[Majo]

Io di mosca ho provato solo la C99 e posso dire tanta roba. Sarei tutt'ora curioso di provare qualcosa anche se ho sentito pareri alterni.
Tuttavia se in offerta vale la pena provare

 

[BRUNEZ]

Io di mosca ho provato solo la C99 e posso dire tanta roba. Sarei tutt'ora curioso di provare qualcosa anche se ho sentito pareri alterni.
Tuttavia se in offerta vale la pena provare

Ciao Majo
Si effettivamente ho sentito parecchie cose positive sulla c99 di Mosca, proprio M-UNG me ne parlava pochi giorni fa come uno dei suoi cut preferiti..

Però sinceramente ho anche sentito parecchie recensioni negative per quanto riguarda erma e problemi di germinazione..
Ma probabilmente con questi f3 che Mosca ha fatto dai GMO FUEL f2 da Red Scare Seed potrebbe tirare fuori qualcosa di interessante..
staremo a vedere prossimamente se esce con qualche nuovo cross con la GMO

 

[BRUNEZ]

Qualche pics della GMO FUEL da RedScare

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