Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes

[funkyhorse]

Red October
This is the thread informing that Cannabiogen dont sell any more seeds.
https://www.icmag.com/forum/icmag-v...8006840-cannabiogen-website-not-listing-seeds

Question for Donald Mallard
I have in my stash a couple of MBS x Zamal. One was leaning to MBS finnish at 70 days and the other took 115 days and have fluffy buds. Yesterday I tried after 50 days cure
I took cuts of both and they grew roots on the cloner no problem but under 16 hours of light, they never revegged
And my first strain sexing now is Zamal. I have 1 Mangu Karot boy, 2 Mango Pepper boys and this Mango Pepper girl, first one so far
I sprouted them beginning of january and kept them outdoors in order to try to avoid environmental stress indoors
They are sexing when photoperiod is below 1315 hours of light. A little bit too fast, I expected them to sex in a month from now
Does this mean this strain is semiauto? I took cuts of the boys before they start developing balls(or pistils) because with the experience of your plants I was afraid I could not get to reveg the boys and I need them in a couple of months
Mango pepper girl just sexed

I also post this here so the different views in the subject can be expressed without trolling or attacking or creating futile debates between the different views
Maha told me about this strain what he thinks in private. Hopefully we can exchange views about this on open forum in a respectful manner, hoping the breeder can be left to rest in peace and concentrate on the plants and not on the humans behind this
Leaves are huge. I am growing a few thai x sativa hybrids and nothing come close to this. Internode is crazy too. This stuff is not for indoors, it is not practical

Hopefully all controversies can be put aside, lets let the plants talk and show themselves
These are my NH21 x MM
Out of 8 plants, 6 are having the same feature leaves with no branching and very long internodes and 2 of them are shorter and more branchy
They are all in 1,3 liter pots and I dont want to uppot them until they sex outdoors because they are allready too big and I am afraid they will reach over 2 meters before sexing

The smaller plant below is one of the 2 shorter branchy ones

High! In a one liter pot I am having my hand lenght as the internode distance, these ones should get very very tall if grown on living soil. I hope the girls dont go intersex

So what is this Mullumbimby Madness myth? Northern Lights looks like this? Is this stuff leaning to MM? Dont look similar at all to any of the NL5xH Northern Light selection I grew from the TSCo release, neither to the Senegal Haze.
So in veg, 2 clear phenos I have
I was thinking to hit it with Ohz but I doubt there is any Ohz in the blood of this cross
The problem with this stuff is that it is so unclear what it really is that those males coming I should cull, specially with all those intersex issues reports. This is a problem around
Have anyone seen pure thai genetics(MM is supposed to be old thai kept in Oz?) with such wide leaves?
For leaf comparison this is Purple Haze x Meao Thai from Aceseeds

I am growing Ohz, CG72 and OT1Hz side by side. Also Mangobiche but it is another beast
Those 3 share many features, they are supposedly colombian but they dont have the high of the colombians of the 80s and are also not adapted to colombian photoperiod which is 11,5/12,5
They are american genetics kept/bred/preserved at latitude 40 with a photoperiod adapted to latitude 40 as you can clearly see it in this post

Thanks Big Nasty for your courage, patience and skills to bring your Oldtimer's Green Haze phenos until the very end of flowering, your updates are greatly appreciated and are a great example of how to finish successfully an extreme tropical sativa of this kind indoors.

My personal experience growing and breeding with this strain for almost 15 years:

12/12 photoperiod -> Produces extreme stretching and first appearance of preflowers, although if you keep this photoperiod continuously (which is the classic photoperiod for the flowering of most strains indoors) the Oldtimer's Haze will just grow and grow without producing much flowers or without showing signs of ripening. To start with sexually matured clones instead of young seedlings lowers down drastically the size of the plants, although the stretching still will be overwhelming.

11/13 -> Stretching stops quite a bit and Oldtimer's Haze starts to define budsites, but not much more.

10/14 -> Oldtimer's Haze produces abundant (and constant, with the right feeding) reflowerings, starting to ripe some of the older flowers.

9/15 or 9.5/14.5 -> This is the right photoperiod to make ripening the latest reflowerings.

The 9/15 or 9.5/14.5 photoperiod matches very well with the number of hours of light we have here on 37ºN in Xmas time/New Year, and it's the time when our outdoor Oldtimer's Hazes finally finish in my climate.

I have had much more success finishing properly Oldtimer's Haze outdoors than indoors, both regarding potency and quality of terpenes, but you will need a coastal warm climate (similar to Mediterranean, or coastal California, or Florida) in fall that has no frosts or snow even in the worst colder days to succeed. These outdoors photoperiods (from 11/13 until 9.5/14.5) along with the low temps also makes the strain to show the Purple Haze phenos in the plants that have the genetical disposition for it.

Hope it helps.

If these strains 15 or 40 generations ago were colombians, today their colombianity is totally diluted and gone together with their high. I didnt try pure OT1Hz but from hybrids I tried a clear caffeinic weed.
I dont say this is good or bad, I dont judge, it is what it is.
But if we know better what we have, at least I will not keep the fake illusion that I can get the 80s back from these parental strains

 

[MAHA KALA]

this is how dutch NLhaze from seed looks like in early flowering, in flowering it narrows. I dont have pic of NLhaze at same stage as you. 2006 season.

 

[MAHA KALA]

this is different NLhaze, from cut. 90+ days so long flowering phenotype. 2012 season. but I told you I dont bother with it anymore. case is closed.

 

[Limeygreen]

So my Punto Rojo I love, not as strong as I would like but the quality of the high is there for sure for me, one of the tops.

Grandfunk haze not fully cured I find stronger than bandaid haze on some phenos. More complex high and for the first time I had a herb that makes me unable to sleep hours after having it. Metallic haze taste, high energy, ego gone and inner peace is easier, mind is sharp and focused, I can do anything I set my mind to aside from sleep. Negative emotions are not present, if they creep in quickly they are thrown out. For a twelve week variety, I cannot find the same strength and qualities so easily in twenty week varieties like Punto Rojo but gfh and Punto Rojo are not both apples, I like to have both for different reasons and different seasons.

The two left could be better, the same or lesser but won't know until next week then for the curing period as well. But I can plan two gfh harvests in the space of a Punto Rojo so I need to be practical as well.

 

[Sub24ox7]

I’m going to cull the mex haze from veg/mother room. Definitely not keeping 3 cuts maybe none. All were no where near as positive feel good as these tropical boogie. I guess I don’t really want cold icy bad vibe shit, the world is filled with enough bad stuff. After 3 month cure the mex haze wasn’t so negative but it sure wasn’t positive enough either. Kind of cold and dysphoric. Euphoria for the win.

 

[MAHA KALA]

So my Punto Rojo I love, not as strong as I would like but the quality of the high is there for sure for me, one of the tops.

Grandfunk haze not fully cured I find stronger than bandaid haze on some phenos. More complex high and for the first time I had a herb that makes me unable to sleep hours after having it. Metallic haze taste, high energy, ego gone and inner peace is easier, mind is sharp and focused, I can do anything I set my mind to aside from sleep. Negative emotions are not present, if they creep in quickly they are thrown out. For a twelve week variety, I cannot find the same strength and qualities so easily in twenty week varieties like Punto Rojo but gfh and Punto Rojo are not both apples, I like to have both for different reasons and different seasons.

The two left could be better, the same or lesser but won't know until next week then for the curing period as well. But I can plan two gfh harvests in the space of a Punto Rojo so I need to be practical as well.

yeah first let it cure and then gives us comparison in psychoactivity of both. sure cbg punto rojo is some inbred line and GF is first generation three way hybrid. so plants are apples and oranges. but I think you can still compare intensity and palette of psychoactive effects from both. not for me as it is clear to me what difference is.. but for RC. thanks.

thanks also for first impressions.

 

[Sub24ox7]

Limeygreen i got some pr x Congo (vision creators cut) got tails out. have you grown any of these? Oh and I got some mextacy bx germ too.

 

[MAHA KALA]

? Oh and I got some mextacy bx germ too. [/QUOTE]

:groupwave:

:good:


:smoke out:

 

[MAHA KALA]

I’m going to cull the mex haze from veg/mother room. Definitely not keeping 3 cuts maybe none. All were no where near as positive feel good as these tropical boogie. I guess I don’t really want cold icy bad vibe shit, the world is filled with enough bad stuff. After 3 month cure the mex haze wasn’t so negative but it sure wasn’t positive enough either. Kind of cold and dysphoric. Euphoria for the win.

I believe that good portion of euphoria is needed for trippy colder weed too. because without positive feeling the mind can get cut off from its cognitive, and sensoric capability, and psychoactivity cant develop.. and you end up with strong paranoia in the corner, stupidly stuck in some kind of pseudo psychosis.. this pseudo psychosis from bad vibe weed I would define by emotional deprivation, while psychoactivity by emotional richness..

 

[RingtailCanyon]

So my Punto Rojo I love, not as strong as I would like but the quality of the high is there for sure for me, one of the tops.

Grandfunk haze not fully cured I find stronger than bandaid haze on some phenos. More complex high and for the first time I had a herb that makes me unable to sleep hours after having it. Metallic haze taste, high energy, ego gone and inner peace is easier, mind is sharp and focused, I can do anything I set my mind to aside from sleep. Negative emotions are not present, if they creep in quickly they are thrown out. For a twelve week variety, I cannot find the same strength and qualities so easily in twenty week varieties like Punto Rojo but gfh and Punto Rojo are not both apples, I like to have both for different reasons and different seasons.

The two left could be better, the same or lesser but won't know until next week then for the curing period as well. But I can plan two gfh harvests in the space of a Punto Rojo so I need to be practical as well.

How old are you limey? Hehe! I hope you’re doing well bro and staying warm.
that sounds great. exactly what I’m looking for.

I had a boss in 90s and his favorite band was Grand Funk. He told me stories that when he was 12 he was used by some older guys to smuggle hash oil from W. Virginia back in 70s.
I thought he full of shit, but now I think about we did a lot of wild stuff together that most people wouldn’t believe.

 

[Limeygreen]

Sub24ox7 I didn't finish flowering them but two people I gave them to did, one outdoors and one indoors. They are not the bling flowers you see on instagram but I was told top notch in effects, tropical type hybrid, looks like tropical type flowers. Should have some congo dominant smells on them like the lemon and boot polish smells and big frame from congo so indoors watch out on big flowers keep dry mid flower until end as botrytis could get in there with the large colas, but not unlike a lot of other flowers like that. I had some bitch stretch on some early flower, I believe about 14 weeks if I recall.

 

[Limeygreen]

How old are you limey? Hehe! I hope you’re doing well bro and staying warm.
that sounds great. exactly what I’m looking for.

I had a boss in 90s and his favorite band was Grand Funk. He told me stories that when he was 12 he was used by some older guys to smuggle hash oil from W. Virginia back in 70s.
I thought he full of shit, but now I think about we did a lot of wild stuff together that most people wouldn’t believe.

Old enough to know better than to answer that question

Comparing to sweet skunk it's rocket fuel, less yield than sweet skunk but that is probably nl x haze as a cut so big yields this quality on effect is much better for me.

 

[Sub24ox7]

Tropical boogie #3 vegetative clone mother

 

[JustGrowing420]

The last two of them surreals v2, one coming down in a couple days the other couple of weeks

#3

#6, this one I take in 2 days max

 

[MAHA KALA]

The last two of them surreals v2, one coming down in a couple days the other couple of weeks

#3

#6, this one I take in 2 days max

gooood job. soon you will enjoy fruit of your work... haze on.

 

[Donald Mallard]

agreed ,,
colours are great , but i love that #3 ,
has the look that often translates into good herb ,
i hope thats the case here ...

 

[MAHA KALA]

grandfunk from greenhouse. it smells floral leathery. but when I grind it, it smells honey chemical sweetness, musky, sour apple and lime/menthol or mentholated lemons if you want... not minty. I mean silver menthol tobacco. it cooled my mouth smoking right after drying. but it didn't taste to me menthol and it had bland aftertaste, green woody. but now after 6 months of curing - pretty hard to wait with it as effect is spectacular right after drying - it is spicy silver menthol on exhale. it had some livery incense, but it disappeared.. the effect is pulsating pressure in head, and it floors you little bit initially. then it clears up and ringing in the ears starts. sometimes it is too intense and I cant do much, just wait till it stops and then cerebral part comes, some electric body and little racy... and then it hits you like 2 or 3 times with hot flushes accompanied with wave of energy through the body, then it gets less and less clear and more and more trippy hazy vision... duration around 4 hours easily.

 

[MAHA KALA]

whats cookin´ in MAHA lab? I got some sativa pheno of hawaiian hashplant. scandalous fruity terps and hazy musk surprisingly... not resin bomb, but terps are top. I hope it smokes warm and aloha. but if it is trippy, I will accept that

around 50 day. she doesnt like cold fresh air I gave her. she has cold, no wonder she is tropical gal..

 

[Sub24ox7]

Nice! She needs to meet mr. shine! I also think you should hit up something like f13 or flo with mr. shine.
Anywat just really impressed with your male Tom hill haze.

 

[JustGrowing420]

agreed ,,
colours are great , but i love that #3 ,
has the look that often translates into good herb ,
i hope thats the case here ...

I agree too, her resin stands out for me somehow between the 5 even visually.
Smell is sour musky wood bordering on body odor.
She also has some nice fat calyces, very pleasing to the eye.

I think maybe one week more, not two now that I looked at her again.