Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes

[RingtailCanyon]

That sounds right amigo

 

[Benny106]

great thread!

 

[RingtailCanyon]

it is interesting that when I described psychoactive effect of old jack herrer or sammys NH, nobody tried to doubt it, and most found it accurate.. and nobody asked about my age or how often I smoke per day.

but when I describe effect of surrealV2... it is no no hahaha.

read whole thread before posting please.

I didn’t read about Jack.
I was actually thinking of when you said simply Irresistible almost made you puke and that band aid was like a strong nevils haze with Thai effects. Just trying to understand your perspective. Some people
talk in hyperbole and I take people for their word.

 

[JustGrowing420]

Two more surreals down at 87 days

Surrealv2 #2, tropical fruit, ammonia, wood, spicy

Surrealv2 #5, spicy orange/tangerine

 

[GreenAndFast]

Properly mature and beautiful mate. Well done amigo, be proud of them.

 

[JustGrowing420]

Properly mature and beautiful mate. Well done amigo, be proud of them.

Thanks, although I was a bit problematic at feeding them at first, I am quite pleased and thinking of the early samples I had makes it hard to wait till they dry

 

[MAHA KALA]

I didn’t read about Jack.
I was actually thinking of when you said simply Irresistible almost made you puke and that band aid was like a strong nevils haze with Thai effects. Just trying to understand your perspective. Some people
talk in hyperbole and I take people for their word.

my perspective is clear. I prefer f1 haze hybrids over inbred haze hybrid.

yes, cut of SI from elanius was very strong, but was not energetic enough for me. I have never said NLhaze is not strong. as same as I will never say triangle kush is weak weed. about bandaid haze, it was my first smoke impression, I have never got that rush anymore, only first time I smoked it, I dont think it has thai effects anymore. but sure I take BH7 as better NH... except of 17 weeker NH bohempian cut(no incense!) which was almost as good as original haze. but almost... this is not thread to discuss NLhaze though, because it attracts trolls. it is closed case for me. simply using northern lights took down psychoactive effect plus inbreeding it takes it down further. case closed.

I am not only one who got psychoactive effect from toms haze and its hybrids. when Tom Hill mentioned it, did you also ask him about how old is he? or is it privilege only for me?

I am not only one who thinks toms haze is superior to dutch hazes. you can read it in Tom Hill Haze thread in Chimeras subforum. I think some members are even more radical than me. they say there is no comparison at all.

but reaction to my smoke report in form of question about my age, I found silly. I am sorry.

overall in this thread. we are growing it and testing it. when you will grow toms haze or its hybrids, I will discuss it with you with pleasure.

cheers.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

Maha I’m not trying to cause conflict. Not trying to be silly. But I’d weigh your opinion differently if you are 20 or 50 or 70.
I’m not on any kind of haze side. Try not to define me by some nl haze bias you have. I’ll try em all. I wasn’t trying to be a prick, I just enjoy reallly good weed and I chase the best I can find and then share it.
I’m smoking and growing really nice outdoor Punto Rojos and Hawaiians and if you say toms will be better than I want to try it.
I like all the crosses you are making. I just haven’t experienced those effects you talk about in a very long time, back when my brain was softer and tolerance was low.

 

[Sub24ox7]

Early just dried sample of tropical boogie #1 is big positive energy. I get a lot of mental energy... but so positive feel good like I want to boogie on down.
no really I feel good.
got some euphoria
im in my early 40’s... I used to get way higher when I was in my teens and 20’s. Probably mostly tolerance..

 

[GreenAndFast]

Thanks, although I was a bit problematic at feeding them at first, I am quite pleased and thinking of the early samples I had makes it hard to wait till they dry

We all learn mate. It's an experience growing these plants. Always throw some spanners in the works. They will be even better next time around. Yep I struggle to wait for a cure. Just grow enough that you never have to reach for that jar

 

[MAHA KALA]

Maha I’m not trying to cause conflict. Not trying to be silly. But 70.
I’m not on any kind of haze side. Try not to def if you are 20 or 50 orine me by some nl haze bias you have. I’ll try em all. I wasn’t trying to be a prick, I just enjoy reallly good weed and I chase the best I can find and then share it.
I’m smoking and growing really nice outdoor Punto Rojos and Hawaiians and if you say toms will be better than I want to try it.
I like all the crosses you are making. I just haven’t experienced those effects you talk about in a very long time, back when my brain was softer and tolerance was low.

"I’d weigh your opinion"

why you do that? I tried to explain that it is not about opinion. you waste too much time in haze discution and opinions. we are talking experience here. not opinion. is it some experience of MAHA KALA EGO? no, not again. this experience goes behind any EGO. and again in your nosense logic Tom Hill is young guy with low tolerance when he describes psychoactive properties of his line, or Skunkman is young guy with low tolerance when he describes like people got pale and tripped out from smoking his haze.. your logic.

in fact I am smoking haze to reprogram the system of consciousness called EGO and look behind it.

it seems to me naive to think that high tolerance build up at old guys is caused only by using it through years. what about health state of organism? old guys have diseases and most of medicament are opiate based. there is no weed which can cut through opiates. dont think so... but I dont take any opiates.

I dont say anything you should do or grow.. do what you want. I personally dont remember how high I got at 20 or 30 LOL dont remember it at all. and I personally think that nobody who smokes weed everyday 25 years, can remember it how it really was and big part of it is fantasy. dont get how somebody can think some memory is reality. only reality is present moment. in that time I smoked mainly diesels and yes some NLhaze in that time. I live in present moment and so I describe effect on me in present moment.. and dont have to remember how it was when I was 35 LOL it seems to me funny and silly really, sorry.


I have no bias, when you say that I dont enjoy conversation with you at all... unreasoned judgement? come on, same silly thing as with age... it is very reasoned judgement from my side... your problem with tolerance is your problem. many factors can do that. smoking it with tabacco or smoking too much of extracts... individual biochemistry, life negativity or somebody, young or old, drinks alcohol when smoking weed. again ethanol will take psychoactivity down and so on... and yes NLhaze builds up tolerance in difference to pure haze, no bias, but just the fact, and very reasoned judgement about it.

if you have some experience with psychoactive haze hybrid, you could share it with us here. thats the sense of this thread. and when you will say it was with NLhaze. I will not behave silly and will not say you have low tolerance. I promise.

I am smoking hash everyday, mainly in the evening and such grandfunk herb still gives me psychoactive experience every time... I am sorry that it makes such silly reactions. but I am not responsible for it, nor my plants. it is all about originator of such reaction, his reaction, his suggestion, his projection.

 

[funkyhorse]

Age dont give any priority to knowledge.
Things are different all over the world, experiences change according to continent and environment in all aspects of life and we are in an international forum with people sharing experiences from all continents and environments
Hempy is older than me I believe, and I am older than Tom Hill or Wally. I believe I am older than Maha too, I am learning from all of them and from many other people too and this has nothing to do with age

What I think is the weed of the 90s was superior to todays weed probably all over the world. And this has nothing to do with being biased towards something.
Things are simple in this dual universe. Things are or things are not and there is no third way. A third way is an illusion
So if the point of reference is the Punto Rojo release from the defunct CBG seedbank, and if that release is of the same quality of the Punto Rojo pheno I had through Red Snake, you will not find the high of the 80s, not even the 90s.
So I can understand why you are having different opinions. You guys are simply having different points of reference for the same subject

I believe Maha Kala together with other amateur not for profit breeders in Europe can share selected top notch cuts from the 90s and share them, not only that but breed with them and improve their qualities even, so this weed shared in this small circle is probably the best Europe has to offer and is not available to the masses. They are giving 90s descriptions of weed because they are smoking 90s weed, it is not too difficult to guess and this has nothing to do with how old are you. We have seen a Master like Tom Hill give answers with the wisdom of a 5 year old kid to the wisdom of an ancient 120 year old guy and everything in between. Star Crash/flower power might be 60 years old but his heart and passion is the one of a 6 year old kid

I started growing for the first time recently, in my 50s. I never expected to ever need to grow, but the lack of respect going on worldwide with ganja leaves no choice but to becaome a grower and this is difficult for a nomad. Thanks to coronavirus I can try some stuff
I am finding the commercial weed very dissapointing, it seems nobody cares about the quality of the high anymore in the commercial world and things like productivity and fastness are the leading features together with chunky indica looking buds

I am smoking 90s weed from Europe and can compare
High tolerance is because you smoke weed with high tolerance. Ohz hits you every time even after 8 months on the jar
Other thing I found is I smoked for more than 20 years ganja with sativa uplifting hash like nepali or indian charas, old lebanese or paraguayan wax. The psychoactive levels you achieve is higher than with the narcotic types used to tame ganja

So I come here to ask questions because sadly it seems I cannot source any more seed here and I have to get by with what I have, this means the best seed for next year I will make it during this season. And all of these guys know a thing or two about the commercial and not commercial ganja and their advise is very much on point and without their help, I could never achieve the results I am achieving

90s weed:
Senegal Haze Afropips(Senegal landrace x Phoenix Haze which is seed left in the floor by police in 1997 in Holland at Dutchgrown or something like that house and those seeds were either super silver haze or nevils haze from Nevil) x (Seedsman Hz x Golli Hz) grown in a 5 liter pot for 110 days
I cant believe I am obtaining such results in such a short time growing. This is thanks to coronavirus
I still think landrace weed was better than this but the guys in Europe are running many plants and are finding the elites and keeping them
and I probably didnt find the best yet
Pictures can give wrong impression, not the same this

Than this, it is the same Senegal Haze x Ohz drying plant but with some point of reference

So it is clear we are not having the same references and many different contradicting opinions will arise, not to talk about cultural differences
I agree with Maha about the opiate thing. Some things you might consume without being aware might also be affecting your psychoactive levels like certain medicines which contain very dangerous drugs disguised under difficult pronouncing names like metilphedinate for instance which will ruin your ganja experience
And I also agree about the concentrates part just because I am making a parallelism with entheogens like Salvia Divinorum or Ayahuasca. When these mind expanding substances are concentrated they distort reality and the effect, so instead of being an ally they turn against us.
I dont think if you need to smoke 20 grams in just one dub of these commercial weed you will get a better psychoactive experience than smoking it pure in its traditional form.

Try smoking pure hash with pure ganja. If they are both sativa uplifting, you will find something close to the best quality psychoactive high, but it all depends on the strains, there is no magic. But there is the alchemy of reviving and keeping alive the top quality and these guys cooperating and sharing are making this possible

Sorry for long runt

 

[GreenAndFast]

Early just dried sample of tropical boogie #1 is big positive energy. I get a lot of mental energy... but so positive feel good like I want to boogie on down.
no really I feel good.
got some euphoria
im in my early 40’s... I used to get way higher when I was in my teens and 20’s. Probably mostly tolerance..

Yeah I'm in my 30's. The amount I can smoke now is ridiculous. That's why we are all into these ini? The effect is incredible like when you where young.

 

[MallardDuck]

I sampled a small nug of MB1 that was run to 11 weeks... ZAP! Electrifying.

 

[Red October]

funkyhorse did cannabiogen close down? I read they stopped producing any new lines but thought they were still continue with the current ones. It would be a sad thing if they did close their doors completely.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

all good points. sorry for being difficult. i can see how asking your age is insulting. I was basically saying your reviews sound immature or lightweight. you're neither of those.

I'm still young, not 50 yet. I smoked mexican imports for the first 15-20 years, from late 80's into 2000s. Yeah i had strong psychoactive experiences but they were almost always accompanied by LSD and other various hallucinogens. Smoking some Mexican red hair while tripping put me into outer space. I remember days of low tolerance and I would close my eyes and see images traveling through tunnels and novel thoughts coming in so fast that i couldn't remember the epiphany I had 15 seconds before.

These days good weed makes me feel calm and centered, empathetic, hungry, music will sound great when smoking the colombians. I found chimeras hawaiian spice to be mentally elevating, I had that yoga feeling where you're spine stretches up to heaven.

I smoke all through the day every day 25/8 but i just took a 4 day break while traveling for work and when I smoked for the first time it was great , I felt normal again.

thats another good point about cbg, I know Charlie said that the punto rojo wasn't the same psychoactive variety of the 60s. It is good weed. limeyGreen and OldCoolSativa can attest. Only thing I find missing is the flavor, but I get good flavor and high from the SI.

Soon I'll grow some original haze and RSC asians next to add to the perspective.

anyways i won't write another long post, i just want yall to know we're all in this together here and it silly to beef over any of this weed shit, we would all be best buddies if we could hang out together and smoke each other's herbs. ☮

 

[MAHA KALA]

I agree. smoke in peace RC.

thats another good point about cbg, I know Charlie said that the punto rojo wasn't the same psychoactive variety of the 60s. It is good weed. limeyGreen

okay. LimeyGreen just chopped some grandfunks, give him two months and then ask him for comparison cbg punto rojo vs. grandfunk and that may give you idea what I am smoking here. maybe.

I get good feedback from experienced growers on these mr. shine crosses. and most of them, even they are experienced with traditional haze hybrids, they say they get unusual and new effect from it. which makes me positive about this one male.

cheers.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I sampled a small nug of MB1 that was run to 11 weeks... ZAP! Electrifying.

hey! good to hear. but sure let it cure man. not that you will smoke it all before any curing. 2 months sitting in jars at least and then you will be electrified from toes to ears

 

[MAHA KALA]

Age dont give any priority to knowledge.
Things are different all over the world, experiences change according to continent and environment in all aspects of life and we are in an international forum with people sharing experiences from all continents and environments
Hempy is older than me I believe, and I am older than Tom Hill or Wally. I believe I am older than Maha too, I am learning from all of them and from many other people too and this has nothing to do with age

What I think is the weed of the 90s was superior to todays weed probably all over the world. And this has nothing to do with being biased towards something.
Things are simple in this dual universe. Things are or things are not and there is no third way. A third way is an illusion
So if the point of reference is the Punto Rojo release from the defunct CBG seedbank, and if that release is of the same quality of the Punto Rojo pheno I had through Red Snake, you will not find the high of the 80s, not even the 90s.
So I can understand why you are having different opinions. You guys are simply having different points of reference for the same subject

I believe Maha Kala together with other amateur not for profit breeders in Europe can share selected top notch cuts from the 90s and share them, not only that but breed with them and improve their qualities even, so this weed shared in this small circle is probably the best Europe has to offer and is not available to the masses. They are giving 90s descriptions of weed because they are smoking 90s weed, it is not too difficult to guess and this has nothing to do with how old are you. We have seen a Master like Tom Hill give answers with the wisdom of a 5 year old kid to the wisdom of an ancient 120 year old guy and everything in between. Star Crash/flower power might be 60 years old but his heart and passion is the one of a 6 year old kid

I started growing for the first time recently, in my 50s. I never expected to ever need to grow, but the lack of respect going on worldwide with ganja leaves no choice but to becaome a grower and this is difficult for a nomad. Thanks to coronavirus I can try some stuff
I am finding the commercial weed very dissapointing, it seems nobody cares about the quality of the high anymore in the commercial world and things like productivity and fastness are the leading features together with chunky indica looking buds

I am smoking 90s weed from Europe and can compare
High tolerance is because you smoke weed with high tolerance. Ohz hits you every time even after 8 months on the jar
Other thing I found is I smoked for more than 20 years ganja with sativa uplifting hash like nepali or indian charas, old lebanese or paraguayan wax. The psychoactive levels you achieve is higher than with the narcotic types used to tame ganja

So I come here to ask questions because sadly it seems I cannot source any more seed here and I have to get by with what I have, this means the best seed for next year I will make it during this season. And all of these guys know a thing or two about the commercial and not commercial ganja and their advise is very much on point and without their help, I could never achieve the results I am achieving

90s weed:
Senegal Haze Afropips(Senegal landrace x Phoenix Haze which is seed left in the floor by police in 1997 in Holland at Dutchgrown or something like that house and those seeds were either super silver haze or nevils haze from Nevil) x (Seedsman Hz x Golli Hz) grown in a 5 liter pot for 110 days
I cant believe I am obtaining such results in such a short time growing. This is thanks to coronavirus
I still think landrace weed was better than this but the guys in Europe are running many plants and are finding the elites and keeping them
and I probably didnt find the best yet
Pictures can give wrong impression, not the same this

Than this, it is the same Senegal Haze x Ohz drying plant but with some point of reference

So it is clear we are not having the same references and many different contradicting opinions will arise, not to talk about cultural differences
I agree with Maha about the opiate thing. Some things you might consume without being aware might also be affecting your psychoactive levels like certain medicines which contain very dangerous drugs disguised under difficult pronouncing names like metilphedinate for instance which will ruin your ganja experience
And I also agree about the concentrates part just because I am making a parallelism with entheogens like Salvia Divinorum or Ayahuasca. When these mind expanding substances are concentrated they distort reality and the effect, so instead of being an ally they turn against us.
I dont think if you need to smoke 20 grams in just one dub of these commercial weed you will get a better psychoactive experience than smoking it pure in its traditional form.

Try smoking pure hash with pure ganja. If they are both sativa uplifting, you will find something close to the best quality psychoactive high, but it all depends on the strains, there is no magic. But there is the alchemy of reviving and keeping alive the top quality and these guys cooperating and sharing are making this possible

Sorry for long runt

great post. thanks for sharing.

yeah I crossed bshw, in its inbred form it is no bomb, with haze. and now it is bomb. so sure you have to dig it from it somehow and that is called art of selection... so thanks to this I know that gear from 70´s was spectacular, whatever thc content... unfortunately only few lines got preserved properly.. some were lost or diluted... many sativa heirlooms or old school sativa mixes were afghanized... thanks to Skunkman, we have original haze, without him, we would end up with aghan haze... so huge respect to that man! and many thanks that we can have fun with it.

and like you said it is about that pheno. f1 haze hybrid is not so complex like pure haze, but on the other hand practically all phenos of bshw x haze were strong as nuts.. no mediocrity. and that's not case with pure haze. back in the day haze was outcross too and gave also every pheno strong and no mild ones I believe.

 

[MallardDuck]

Mindblower Haze Day *78*