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buttcrack - LOL name!

I water every 3-4 days average. With the heat I am about every 2-3 days. 5 gallon buckets. I water a bout 3/4 gallon each watering. I feed this mix each watering and am giving only plain water the last 2-3 weeks. Keeping the ph in check is key. I was too acidic for a while and now that I am closer to 6.0 - the results are getting better every day!

I am going to try substituting my inorganic bloom booster with bat guano - but the booster has all micronutes in it and guano is just phos. I am debating.
 

Suby

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Hey SW,

If your looking for micros just combine some liquid seaweed or Maxicrop to your bat guano ferts and your set, they ALL the micros plants and bacteria need.

:2cents:
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I just mixed up my soil innuculated it with a tea, and since i did'nt have any container to put it in after i mixed it i just put it in garbage bags, this was last week i just opened the bag today and notice a fowl stench! and that tells me anarobic bacteria got in it? cuzz thats the same smell i got from leaving a old brewed tea out with no air pump on, whut do i do? i'm guessing this is really bad :fsu:
 
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vonforne

Just mix it up buttcrack. 02 will kill the anaerobic bacteria. It hates air. Mix it up everyday for the next week and leave the bag slightly open to allow some 02 into the bag.

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Thanks Von, dam that really scared the shit out of me, i thought i had really fucked it up and wasted my money and time.
 

Jnugg

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Organic Tea Party with The Rev.

Organic Tea Party with The Rev.

Suby had asked me to post this here for you all so here it is.



I stopped by my local news stand the other week and picked up Skunk Magazine....Excellent mag IMO.

Anyways what got me to buy it was an article on Organic Teas...I have yet to grow 100% organicly and thought I'd pick this rag up for when I do decide to.

Anyways thought I'd share it with you....



Welcome brothers & sisters.In this installation of Living Organics,we're going to learn about the glory of organic compost teas.But I'm not talking about the Celestial Seasonings sitting on your grocer's shelf.If you're growing in soil and want to learn how to come closer to maximizing the potential of your genetics,read on.You'll learn how to create,administer,and benefit from a largely underutilized technique that has produced some stellar results for me over the years.


You may recall from some of my past articles the nutritional benefits of soil microlife for cannabis plants in fully organic environments.To get a better idea of the advantages of teas,note that a teaspoon of compost contains about one billion beneficial microscopic organisms.However,a teaspoon of organic tea is populated by about four billion microbeasties.Another advantage is that pot plants benefit immediately from teas.Think of teas as organic steroids for your plants.


Not Just For Roots

Teas are not only beneficial for your plant roots,but also for leaves.I like to spray a bit on the leaves in a topical application.The benefit comes from the "coating" of microbes that you create on the leaf when you spray it.This basically muscles out any bad microbes.Be sure to cover atleast 70% of the leaf surface with the tea-spray,ensuring that you get both the tops and bottoms.


Fungus vs. Bacteria

Most teas are bacteria-dominant.However,in flowering,fungus is a tremendous benefit to your plants.I wouldn't stress this if I hadn't seen for myself what a difference the fungi make.Organic plants are all about fungi when flowering.If the fungi aren't present,there's just no way to push your plants to the limits of yield and quality.In fact,fungi-dominant teas are so good that they're the trick to achieving yields that border on those produced in finely tuned hydroponic environments.

Fungus takes longer to grow than bacteria.In the population race,bacteria always outgrows fungi by a large margin.Thus,when making a fungi-dominant tea,you have to give the fungi a head start.

Fungus plays a special role during flowering,delivering things such as phosphorous to the plants roots.They also breakdown secondary mineral nutrients and ammonium nitrogen available to the roots.Bacteria then convert the ammonium nitrogen to nitric nitrogen.Both varieties of nitrogen,ammonium and nitric,can be used by a cannabis plant and help it grow vigorously.

Nitric Nitrogen: Makes the plants grow shorter & wider,with closer node spacing.

Ammonium Nitrogen: Causes some stretch in the plant.




Nutrient Flexible

Teas can provide your plants with more than good bacteria.If your plant are lacking food or you encounter a problem that you need to correct,teas are an excellent vehicle for infusing your soil with nutrients.

Personally,I utilize teas mostly to provide my plants with fungi.How many nutrients you should add to you tea depends on what you already have in your particular soil (and needs of your plants).I pack my soil with tons of long-term nitrogen,phosphorous,and potassium,so I don't have to worry about the tea playing the role of nutrient provider.



Aerobic vs. Anaerobic Bacteria

The only real gotcha with organic teas is aeration.You must continually aerate your organic teas.Why?There are two types of bacteria that can develop in you tea : Aerobic and Anaerobic.Anaerobic doesn't need oxygen and is nasty stuff.If you ever smell your tea and it stinks of sewer,don't use it!It means that there's anaerobic activity.A good tea that's rich in aerobic activity will smell like very rich soil (the kind that's teaming with earthworms).Anaerobic teas are bad for more reasons than the fact that they literally smell like shit.They can also manifest E. Coli and introduce things like alcohols,which can kill your plants fast.Good aeration isn't just to supply oxygen to your plant roots.It's also a catalyst that teases the microbes and protozoa out of the compost-or earthworm castings,in the case of vermicompost-without killing them.After the continuous bubbling pushes them out,they consume the nutrients and simple sugars in your tea and multiply in a big way (creating the microlife boom that will,in turn,produce a bust,wherein large numbers of microbes will die their carcasses will nourish your plants' roots).


Thou Shalt Not

There are certain varieties of compost and brewing conditions that should be avoided when brewing a batch of organic tea.

Chlorine: I've said it before and I'll say it again:Never use chlorinated water on organic soil!This obviously includes teas.But if your only source of water is chlorinated,don't freak out.Simply drop an airstone in an uncovered container of the water for 24 hours.Your chlorine problems will be gone.

Compost Leachates: This is just compost squeezed and pressed.It's not very nutrient rich.But it'slack of nutrients isn't the problem (remember,using teas as a vehicle for transporting nutrients to your plants is a supplemental benefit).The problem is anaerobic activity,which can spell death for your plants.

Compost Extracts: While these provide more nutrient value than compost leachates,they still contain anaerobic activity (the big "I'm a dumbass" move in the world of organic teas).

Violent Aeration: Aeration is your friend and the key to a potent tea that's teaming with good bacteria.But too much aeration on the scale that provides an excessive amount of agitation and turbulence to the tea-is a bad thing becuase it will actually beat the microbeasties to death!Be gentle with the teas;remember that they're teaming with microbes!

Ultraviolet/HID/Sunlight: Avoid any high intensity lights or sunlight.Instead,use "normal" house lighting,such as florescent or tungsten.However,avoid any light source near your tea brewer.Regular room lighting is fine,but-as a rule of thumb-dimmer is better.




Mother Mary's Tea Recipes

* The measurments below are for a one gallon tea bubbler.When making teas in smaller containers,simply adjust the recipe or dilute the final tea with water.

* In these recipes,brew the tea with an airstone in a one gallon container for 24 to 48 hours.When you're done brewing,strain it through a nylon stocking (for topical/sprayer applications) or a standard strainer (for normal watering applications) and cut it 50/50 using dechlorinated water.

* Fungi-dominant tea compost should be mixed together and kept very wet for three to seven days prior to brewing.Store it high in a room,near the ceiling and in the dark.The microlife and fungi populations will really bloom if you place a heating pad-set to low-below the container (shoot for 68-75 degrees fahrenheit;20-24 degrees celsius).After three days,it will be visibly booming with fungus (what I call "Santa's Beard").Put this in your tea brewer and bubble it (in place of regular compost).

* Prepare for the container to foam up and bubble over.You should place a tray under your tea bubbler and avoid any electrical or other items that may be damaged or unsafe around the bubbling water.



Vegetative Stage Recipe

* One Gallon Water *: R/O water,rain water,distilled etc. etc.

* One Teaspoon Black Strap Molasses (unsulfured)1-0-5)*:
Be sure to use only the unsulfured variety.This is because sulfur kills microlife,especially fungus (unless it's elemental sulfur in small ratios).

* One Teaspoon liquid Alaskan Fish Fertilizer (5-1-1)*:
Fungus and bacteria both love fish ferts and go nuts reproducing when it's included.

* One Cup Earthworm Castings (vermicompost) or good outdoor compost*:
Vermicompost provides humates,enzymes,protozoa,nematodes,bacteria,fungus ,trace elements,secondary and primary nutrients.

* One Teaspoon Fox Farms Peace Of Mind All Purpose (5-5-5) *:
Food for the microlife that balances the pH of the tea (to about 6.5-7.2).






Flowering Stage Recipes

* One Teaspoon Black Strap Molasses (unsulfured) (1-0-5) *:
An excellent source of potassium during flowering;bacteria prefer these simple sugars,whereas the fungus prefer more complex sugars derived from various organic matter.

* One Teaspoon Fox Farms Peace Of Mind All Purpose (5-5-5) *:
Food for the microlife that balances the pH of the tea (to about 6.5-7.2).

* One Teaspoon High Phosphorous Bat Guano (0-4-0) *:
Fungi love this nutrient and will deliver it to the plant roots.

* One cup Earthworm Castings (vermicompost) or regular compost *:
Good balance of nutrient (trace and secondary).Also a source for microbes and beneficial elements.

* One teaspoon Maxicrop liquid or 1/2 teaspoon water soluble Maxicrop or kelp/seaweed extract (dry) *:
A fungal favorite,this is a key tea ingredient that produces a good ratio of happy fungus.It's also booming with trace elements,some nitrogen,and some potassium.

* 1/4 teaspoon Micronized (soft) Rock Phosphate *:
Fungus attach to the rock phosphate and grow on it.Also a prime source for phosphorous,magnesium & sulfur.




Fungus Dominant (halfway through flowering) Recipes

* 1/2 cup Earthworm Castings *:
See above.

* 1/2 cup Mushroom Compost *:
This is fungus waiting to happen.A rich source of fungal spores and dense organic matter that fungi like to eat.

* Two tablespoons Powdered,100% Natural rolled oats *:
Fungi love this nutrient and will deliver it to the plant roots.

* Two teaspoons Kelp Meal *:
I use kelp meal for several reasons.It's organic matter that fungi like to attach themselves to.Fungi love kelp extracts as a primary food source and the rich trace elements and potassium it introduces.

* 1/4 teaspoon Micronized (soft) Rock Phosphate *:
Fungus attach to the rock phosphate and grow on it.Also a prime source of phosphorous,magnesium and sulfur.


The earthworm castings,mushroom compost,oatmeal,and kelp meal are first mixed together and made very wet.After fungus has grown on this blend,place it in your tea bubbler for 24 hours with some additional liquid (or water soluble) kelp/seaweed extract and Micronized (soft) rock phosphate.
 
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Suby

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Jnugg thanks for posting that here as per my request.
Peeps I like this whole fungal tea idea, I generally just brew for N P K and soil biology but targeting fungal count for flowering sounds like a brilliant idea.
I have been googling this for a bit so I'll have so links and quotes to go deeper into this idea, if anyone cares to share some info on fungal tea in particualr :headbange

:joint:
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vonforne

Well Suby after reading up a bit I found that I have been brewing a sort of fungal tea all along but using at vegetative stage. I do brew teas with Hydrolyzed fish and liquid humic acid. I also have brewed teas with Mushroom compost and cow manure that have worked very well also.

Here is an ecostudies link that has some good basic information.

http://www.ecostudies.org/compost_tea.pdf

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buttcrack said:
I just mixed up my soil innuculated it with a tea, and since i did'nt have any container to put it in after i mixed it i just put it in garbage bags, this was last week i just opened the bag today and notice a fowl stench! and that tells me anarobic bacteria got in it? cuzz thats the same smell i got from leaving a old brewed tea out with no air pump on, whut do i do? i'm guessing this is really bad :fsu:

I took a smell at my soil today and it has that earthly smell now. I'm thinking the anarobic bacteria have died off? is it safe to say it's once more on it's way to start cooking up.
 
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vonforne

buttcrack said:
I took a smell at my soil today and it has that earthly smell now. I'm thinking the anarobic bacteria have died off? is it safe to say it's once more on it's way to start cooking up.

You are correct buttcrack. See, I told ya. :) Brother Von would not steer ya wrong.

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Those dam anarobic beastys! ,i can picture them in the soil gasping lik they can't breath like in that movie, total recall when arnald falls and breaks his space helment and his eys start to pop outa' his eye sockets

good looking out brotha Von!
 

Suby

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Plants differ in their soil preferences. Some need a bacterial-dominated soil, others want a fungal-dominated soil, and still others like a soil that's somewhere in between. A plant that prefers a fungal-dominated soil will benefit from a fungal-dominated tea, which you'd brew using a more fungal-dominated organic compost.

To make an organic compost with more fungi, mix in larger amounts of cardboard, paper, sawdust, wood shavings and heavy stalk plant material as you prepare the compost. For bacterial dominance, use food waste, green plant waste and livestock manure. (Most worm composts are highly bacterially-dominated because they are fed food scraps.) Whatever compost you use, be sure it is finished, well-stabilized compost, and that it's fairly fresh.

You'll brew using only dechlorinated water, so remember to leave the water out.

Brewing nutrients also influence the finished tea. To encourage the development of fungi in the tea, mix two parts humic acids, two parts yucca, saponin or aloe vera and one part fish hydrolyzate or other proteins into the water. For bacterial dominance, you'll feed one liquid ounce black strap molasses per gallon of tea and and an equal amount of cold-water kelp. For the molasses, you can also substitute brown sugar, honey or maple syrup if you like.

A few excerps from some nightly reading...

Sub's
 
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To make an organic compost with more fungi, mix in larger amounts of cardboard, paper, sawdust, wood shavings and heavy stalk plant material as you prepare the compost. For bacterial dominance, use food waste, green plant waste and livestock manure.

Hi folks! :wave: Hi Suby! I found this part of your previous post was worth commenting... More browns (Carbon) for fungi, more greens (Nitrogen) for bacteria... If I remember correctly, in the symbiosis between mycorhizae and plant roots, there is an exchange of material between both organisms (they both benefit from each other). Mycorhizae bring nutrients to the plant, but what does the plant bring to mycorhizae? Carbon! Should have ringed my bell earlier!

Now this brings a few questions for me: first, what kind of fungi would potentially grow in the compost pile when we make it a fungal compost? In other words, how can we make sure that we are promoting the development of the fungi we need? Or maybe we don't need a specific kind of fungi, as many kinds are mycorhizae? Of course you can always add some granular mycos into the compost pile, but if they could be promoted instead of being added to the compost, that would be better, IMHO.

Also, now I'm wondering what would the optimal C:N ratio be for a well balanced compost, in terms of bacteria and fungi. There must be a short interval in this ratio which results in a balance, but wouldn't it be better to promote a fungal compost and then innoculate it with bacteria just before using it in a soil mix (just as you would innoculate a batch of soil that's gonna be cooking)? From what I understand the bacteria are already present in the compost, this re-innoculation would provide a kick to their population, at least that's what I'm thinking...

Peace
 

Suby

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Here is a post by a contributor to skunk magazine web forum, his name is REv for short.

Fungus Among Us
« on: June 18, 2007, 12:33:23 PM »

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Hey, I wanted to share one of my trippy fungus tricks with you guys. Now teas aren't the only way to bring some serious fungus to your containers. Fungus can travel through a container at what I would consider to me incredible rates of speed, via their hyphae (fungus tentacles.)

I have a instinct level with my plants and I can "see" quickly what they like, love and don't like very quickly; also judged by final results as well. Certain things seem to attract, or "spawn" certain favored PoPulations of specific fungi. Some of my favorite to date are the following, which really cause one of my favorites to BOOM! It's a grayish green/blue fungus that looks like sea anemones microscopically. I don't know the classification of this fungus, but I am working on it LoL! Also, much like on Earth, when certain species PoPulate any environment, others will come, naturally. This fungus draws in a host of other fungus and bacteria as well bigtime and from what I can tell they are ALL good!

Here's a couple items that spawn this favored fungi:

Orange peels (bigtime)
Cantaloupe Peels (bigtime)
Coffee grounds (bigtime)
Powdered oatmeal (HUGE)
Banana peels (OK)

Here's what I like to do as a top dressing a couple or a few times in their life....Once at the start of flowering for sure!

I take old coffee grounds and some 100% all natural oatmeal and buzz it all together in a Cuisinart. The coffee grounds are somewhat dry but not totally. I then remove the top and let it sit for about 24hrs. When I come back I put the top on (several fungus gnats are often in the mixture at this point heh heh) and I buzz it up well again. If I have any dried peels as shown above, I will chop them up and powder them in a coffee bean grinder. I could use the Cuisinart too but the bean grinder just powders it more finely is all. I add them, then buzz all of it in the Cuisinart one more time.

This mixture is RIPE with fungi mi amigos! Cut it by about 25% with some organic soil, or composted chicken poop and use it as a top dressing about 1/2" thick on top. Water well with water that is either R/O or distilled, or rain water. Otherwise pH the water down to about 5.8ish if it has relatively high TDS (alkalinity.) Keep that top layer at least moist for a few days and the fungi will go nuts! Penetrating down deeply into the container rather quickly, and I have seen the "spider-webs" of hyphae all the way to the bottoms of my 3gal containers in a matter of 2 weeks time after this little application.

In the last issue of Skunk in my article Tea Time I also show you a way to get some fungi-dominant compost to use in your teas. This is also all good and spawns major fungi throughout the container quickly. The powdered oatmeal is a big part of both of these tricks to be sure. Standing alone per nutrient value, the oatmeal is basically Calcium (cool form of it to boot) and Iron.

So mess with this if you are all organic 100% cuz if you kill the fungus after spawning them, they never return with the gusto they had upon application so you will need to reapply if you dork out somehow like adding water with chlorine/chloramine present or any synthetic salts in the form of nutrients or pH control.

I also routinely treat my base mix with the above little concoction heh heh, the worms LOVE it, and as you know, anything the worms love I love and the plants love!

- REv [\quote]

Basically you have to wait until fungus develops in a starter medium then you to a topdress and water into the soil. It would seem it gives the fungus a head start and making an exclusively fungal tea for flowering is an idea I find rather inetresting.

Any comments OFCers?

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ThaiPhoon

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Well guys, that info on the teas is priceless! thanks so much for posting that! I will have to add that information to the OFC project. I have been busy lately and havent had much time for editing. I should have a bit more time to finish that project off in the coming weeks.

Peace
 
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Suby, when I keep my coffee grounds under the sink I have noticed this fungus growing but would have never thought of top dressing with it. Looks like I have another additive for my kids to try out.

It all sounds great.

Great post Subs.

Thai, you have your work cut out for you to condense this thread. This could be a book when it is done.

Subys Organic Growing - Stoner Style.

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Suby

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Yeah that's what I love about organics, despite not needing to know exactly how it wworks you can benefit from it.
I love that I'm always learning more and more about how to perfect my craft, I'll be a fucking pro one day no doubt lol.:headbang

Thai man you have your work cut out for you, if it's cool with you I'd like to reorganize that material and turn it into a libary like thread with proper headinsg and maybe eventually we can tie evrything together and get a book going.

I've read all Cervanted books and others, too numerous to name but on the whole most books are half-assed with pisspoor explanations as to why we do things and not just the how, it would be for both beginners and contain alot of extra material like cloning, lighting, but cover only organics on a small scale.

I will be trying out this fungal tea idea in my current set, the fridge is almost completed, it has a 4" elicient of a solid state dimmer, 2 4" holes for passive intake at the bottom, it runs a 250W MH and I am flowering in 20gallon Rubbermaid tubs full of my original mix to which I've added 30% coco choir peat to an I went heavier on the castings and dropped perlite to 20% due to the coco.

It's been awhile since I've grown, I am longing to get back to it, this fridge grow will be setup at a close friends, so all the rewards but none of the risks.
:hotbounce:

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cannigrow

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Some awesome info here lately. Now that I know that my laziness of leaving coffee grounds in filters might pay off, I'm going to make some fungus dressings, etc. I've been having a blast with the different teas lately, and learned a whole lot.

I do have one question though. I like to play around with different things, and I just got ANs Connoisseur. Yea yea, take your pot shots at me. So anyways, I keep wondering how this will affect the microherd. I plan on using it from week 2 and beyond of flower. The first few weeks they will be inoculated with microbe guano teas and fungus, but I don't want to kill off the herd when I start using the Conny. Even at half or quarter stregth, do you think that will happen?

Also, does it make sense for a company like AN to market Pirahna, Tarantula, etc, when people are going to use synthetic ferts and just kill off everything??
(please spare the AN hatred, I know how many people feel, keep it civil)

I will run some organic side by side with the conny for a test. I want to find a balance between killing of the herd and using this stuff.
 
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