Organic Fanatic Collective

[jaykush]

hey thaiphoon i actually posted that in one of the first pages of the ofc. ive done it actually a few times once with tomatoes i thought what the hell, and once with the mango. cant remember if i tried it on some mj plants or not.

V....damn i have no clue im not a marine biologist lol, and i dont get that purple shit over here what i see ( when i go to the beach which is rare) its always green and long. im more of a mountains person. although i might know someone who can. ill see if i can get them to take a peek sometime soon.

 

[ThaiPhoon]

ha sorry Jaykush! I knew I read it somewhere before! I should have known it was on the OFC somewhere. This thread has almost everything!

V- I will be making more extracts...I love the idea! Plus side is I am in the tropics! There are almost endless possibilities!!

Peace

 

[vonforne]

Ya Thai, I'm in the sub-tropics and fruit produce is all over the place.

JK, I don't think it is a seaweed but more like an algae........back to the beach. there is always some green leaf there. I think that is what I need but have never been seaweed hunting before. There are lots of varieties where I live something in the hundreds I think.

Pumpkin, thanks a bunch. That is cool of you to do man. This should be interesting. Where did you find that at? See, I knew you could come up with some information. All I had to do is listen. thanks again.

V

 

[ThaiPhoon]

Check this out guys...

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Tm.html

I think that page takes you to a banana section. At the top of that page tho you can select almost any type of food. Scroll down and it provides all sorts of information about what proteins/amino acids etc are in a given product!

I think this is quite helpful!

Peace

 

[pumpkin2006]

Hey V, what ocean/general area are you getting this stuff? north atlantic? south pacific? yada yada Country would help but I don't expect you to tell me that.

 

[vonforne]

All the old people come here.

V

 

[pumpkin2006]

Me gets it... hmm off I go! *flies into the sky*

Ok, so I think I'm onto it. I don't know what species it is, but the red stuff your gonna like this is commonly called "common red seaweed". It plays a big role in producing limestone because it has a lot of calcium carbonate. Which means this stuff is probably going to be fairly acidic and have a lot of Ca+ Mg+. I'm still trying to figure out the stuff in the first photo. I can't find an NPK for the common red, so... when you make it, you should get a test done, its probably less then $100 and you'll be happy to know exactly whats in it.


"The red seaweed used in the production of Response is known to contain 2 to 3 times the amount of the main acidic amino acids than that found in the more typical brown seaweed species. Two of the amino acids, tryptophan and glutamic acid are known to be instrumental in the formation of niacin and raw auxin (indoleacetic acid), which play critical roles in plant metabolism."

 

[Guest]

anybody hear of a product called, organics alive? if so how do you mix it into a promix soiless mix?

 

[vonforne]

Me gets it... hmm off I go! *flies into the sky*

Ok, so I think I'm onto it. I don't know what species it is, but the red stuff your gonna like this is commonly called "common red seaweed". It plays a big role in producing limestone because it has a lot of calcium carbonate. Which means this stuff is probably going to be fairly acidic and have a lot of Ca+ Mg+. I'm still trying to figure out the stuff in the first photo. I can't find an NPK for the common red, so... when you make it, you should get a test done, its probably less then $100 and you'll be happy to know exactly whats in it.


"The red seaweed used in the production of Response is known to contain 2 to 3 times the amount of the main acidic amino acids than that found in the more typical brown seaweed species. Two of the amino acids, tryptophan and glutamic acid are known to be instrumental in the formation of niacin and raw auxin (indoleacetic acid), which play critical roles in plant metabolism."

Me gasps.........steps back in awe!

damn P, Thanks for the find. I had to work on the flower room last night and was not able to put time into the seaweed. That is really good of you to help out. The team effort is what I like about they people in organics. That is why we are the good guys

Anyway, about the red. That is good news indeed. There was a lot of the red to be had also. It would be nice to get a good combination of them once I have broken down all of them seperate. Now the testing would get expensive but well.....one does what one has to do.

Again Thanks alot. I will be home from work late tonight, I will chat with ya then. Have a good day.

V

Thanks also to you Thai, another great find. This thread really needed you two as an addition. :friends:

See ya all tonight.

V

 

[pumpkin2006]

We'll I feel I'm helping everybody out with this. If we can be sustainable and self-sufficient I'm happy. My dream is to be able to create fertilizers like the big companies, but with my own products that I harvest and let the microbes feed off of and chelate, then use that in hydroponics. Don't get me wrong, I like soil, but I want to look towards the future; part of that is experimenting.

Well when I make an extra 50 grand I'll get a nice lab and do my own testing

 

[vonforne]

We'll I feel I'm helping everybody out with this. If we can be sustainable and self-sufficient I'm happy. My dream is to be able to create fertilizers like the big companies, but with my own products that I harvest and let the microbes feed off of and chelate, then use that in hydroponics. Don't get me wrong, I like soil, but I want to look towards the future; part of that is experimenting.

Well when I make an extra 50 grand I'll get a nice lab and do my own testing

I want to become self sufficient also. I knew that you were a DWC guy. I do research also........I checked your posts to see which direction you were going. I also think DWC is a great method and have also been looking into setting up a limited grow to test it out. I have always stayed away from water culture because it was all chemicals. I'm not much into the bottled fertilizer thing. Now that it has advanced into pure organics, I think the teas we brew would be great to apply to the DWC method.

V

 

[pumpkin2006]

Ya its super iffy, my main problem so far has been: What ingredients provide the most available nutrients? How long will the bacteria or fungi live? Also, the ph swings are kinda unstable. The thing is, you need chelated (plant available) nutrients because the fungi wont live long in a tea. The ph was probably my biggest problem.

I'm still trying to work it out, so we'll see.

I'm tired so I'll look for the other seaweed tomorrow. G night!

 

[Guest]

Hi everyone.. I have a project grow coming up that I'll be attempting to breed/clone from etc to get my own cuts/seeds from... and I was wondering if anyone could help me mix this up for seedlings..

I have some
Premix Fertlizier 3-3-5 says use 2-5% (2.5-6cups per cubic foot) - Brown Seaweed,Composted Chicken Manure,Green Kelp,Molasses,Soybean Meal,Pre-Fermented Soy Extracts, and Vinass-Kali Extract
Coco Coir
Hydroton (Can use this instead of perlite I'm guessing if at all needed)
What would be the best mix ratio Coco/Hydroton for a wick system, 75/25 or I don't really need any Hydroton except for maybe a Top or Bottom Layer?
Since this is a project grow the area is small and nothing is being grown for yield.. I'm actually looking for tips on keeping them as small as I can for this first try.. I just want 1 center cola each if I can.
Area is about 2.5'wx2.0'lx8.0'h
Container I'll be using holds 7gallons but is apox 2.5wx2.0'lx6.0"h - One of them rectangle tubs you get from the hardware store..
Lights will be t5 2ft fixture fullspectrum

I also have some
5-5-1 Tea - Mexican bat guano, seabird guano, worm castings and seaweed.. Is that ok for feedings or do I just use it at 1/4 str?

Going to make a simple wick system

Going to try and start 12+ seedlings off on 12/12 ... *numbers will be less if I can harvest my Mendo Purple IBL for pollen(I don't know when to check for pollen in the sacs). I have Hindu Kush and Blueberry that I'll be trying to get a few males for pollen also... I'll be pollinating my fem Arjan's Haze plants. Then test grow those seeds while keeping clones to see how my project went. Gonna hit the Haze females with Purple,Blue,and Hindu.. I also have some PPP and God Bud males.. but like I said before Im not sure when to harvest pollen yet heh. Still trying to read up on it.

I'm going to root the seeds in root plugs diped in a rooting mix.. and once they've rooted I was going to transplant them into my soil mix. Sound ok?

I'm 100% sure I'll grow out atleast 1 Arjan's Haze straight so I can have for myself to try so I'll have 1 moved to my grow area.. it'll probably be a 12/12 test seed but I read that since haze flowers for so long you can start it from 12/12 with decent results. I know all this depends on grower skills.. I'm new and I like to learn through experience however

 

[pumpkin2006]

Sorry, I'm a little confused. You say you want to germinate seeds and as soon as they pop put them into flowering?

Seedlings, don't really need ferts, there's a lot of energy stored in the seed itself. A great mix would be 45% coir 45% perlite and 10% EWC or RWC (earth or red worm castings). This would get your seeds started well and add a culture of bacillus subtilis; the best way to get it is through bontanicares Hydroguard, this will almost completely stop damping off fungi. Remember seeds like a really airy mix and need to be kept hydrated but not overly watered.

Those nutrients sound great for once the seedling has established itself and you start getting alternating nodes.

Edit: clones give stick buds, seedlings don't really. You should veg them for a month. I would advise against hydroton with seedlings because the balls are so large it will be hard for the seedling to establish themselves.

If your interesting in wicking I suggest you look up adhesion and cohesion with water. This should answer anything you need to know about the wicking effect.

 

[Guest]

Sorry, I'm a little confused. You say you want to germinate seeds and as soon as they pop put them into flowering?

Seedlings, don't really need ferts, there's a lot of energy stored in the seed itself. A great mix would be 45% coir 45% perlite and 10% EWC or RWC (earth or red worm castings). This would get your seeds started well and add a culture of bacillus subtilis; the best way to get it is through bontanicares Hydroguard, this will almost completely stop damping off fungi. Remember seeds like a really airy mix and need to be kept hydrated but not overly watered.

Those nutrients sound great for once the seedling has established itself and you start getting alternating nodes.

Edit: clones give stick buds, seedlings don't really. You should veg them for a month. I would advise against hydroton with seedlings because the balls are so large it will be hard for the seedling to establish themselves.

If your interesting in wicking I suggest you look up adhesion and cohesion with water. This should answer anything you need to know about the wicking effect.

Thx Pumpkin and Burnone ..

I'll throw up a journal once I start the project.

The seeds in my first grow where veg'd for 3weeks-4weeks.. pretty fast stretch once switched to 12/12 heh

 

[pumpkin2006]

Looking forward to seeing it. Come back anytime and any of us are happy to help! Were all a support team.

 

[Suby]

Great New posts and Nice to see new posters in our dojo

Well I rolled up my sleeves and decided it's time to clean out the old grow closet.
I washed out the plastic container body of my old pool filter and started brewing some lawn fertilzer.

I plunked about 20 gallons of water in it and let it sit for a day.
So far I've dumped some guanos, old liquid seaweed, liquid karma which I suspect has turned, molasses, I cheated with some Esalts and a little dishsoap, and trew in a handfull of organic soil.

Dishsoap is foamin it up like a bitch but I have my shopvac setup I just vacuum the excess foam every few hours until tomorrow evening, it makes for a great wetting agen though.
It also got some old PureBlend and some EJ odds and ends.
I've set up a water pump to recirculate and it splashes the surface so it should aerate adequately.

Thank God the sun is out and warm and growing season is upon us.

Peace All

Suby

To keep it circuu

 

[Bennythejet]

great thread suby< unfortunatley i am a little late in gathering materials for my first organic tea> i am hesitant in buying some materials for my tea and also some for my soil>i feel like these common oragnic substances will fall short of surving my plants needs and my plants will suffer from lack of food and nutrition> i was hoping that you suby and the visitors of your thread can point out how well these ingredients work in caring for my plants>
worm castings
kelp and alfalfa meal
fish emulsion or fish meal
dolomite lime
seaweed derived substances
molasses
and what should i get for clacium and the npk> i hope u guys can help me out a little and i would love to show my results in the future on this forum

also sorry about the righting> my sticky keys are acting up
later

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Benny, I find using organics to be very good at meeting the plants needs, As with all thing, the time spent dialing in an organic grow is well spent and the experience gained valuable.

All the things in your list are in mine as well except alfalfa and dry seaweed. I have no problem meeting my plants needs.

The trick is to know when to fed or just water and to be able to read your plants subtle clues.

I am sure Suby will have more good advice then I.

Good luck,

minds_I

 

[Suby]

Hey Benny and MI,

Not only can they meet your plants needs they will supply them with an array of things that Hydro type fertilizers can't.

If you read my recipe at the beginning of this thread you'll see my mix, I would recommend adding alfalfa meal at 10% of your soil mix and using batguano teas to spike NPK at peak growth periodes.

The thing with organics is if you have a def. then it will take a few days to correct it as the soil biology needs time to make plant usuable what you feed it.
That's why a rich soil mix is a base, then add to that microbe teas that will boost soil biology, and combine that with teas with high P and N guano then your sailing.

Dolomite, worm casting, compost. and quality peat are the backbone your looking for.
The one trick is getting enough K in your soil mix, kelp meal in the soil mix and liquid seaweed in teas often and you are safe from any K def's, but IMHO it is the one element you have to watch for in organics.

S