OG Kush, Sour Diesel, Chemdog, Chemdawg, ECSD will always be a myth

[sprinkl]

Are you really searching integrity inside business ??!?!

In my opinion the problem are not the breeders, but the growers. All want heavy hitting, good tasting, high yielding, fast flowering strains, that are loosing their relaxing effects and having more and more side effects like arrogancy, unhappiness...

When in the past, weed was known for making people more friendly, relaxed and happy...

But the growers that want to sell product grow what the smokers want, and they want what the gangsta rappers are rapping about or whatever sounds fresh, hip and dank... Hell even in Africa they want kush now, lmao.

I can agree with everything you say except this^^

The poor farmers in Colombia grow cannabis, coca and poppies out of survival. There is no love involved in fact they don't even consume what they produce and only grow these plants because they pays just enough to feed their families.

Exactly what I was thinking. They may respect the plant because it's the only thing that feeds them, but they grow it out of need. I sure hope breeders like ACE and all breeders that went there and 'borrowed' their hard earned work they give something in return. These are the only people that actually did some real selecting and breeding from lots of specimens, commercial breeders that deserve the name breeder are counted on one maybe two hands.

 

[harry74]

I´ve got nothing against Chemdog/Chem lines ( I have never grown it, like to say somenthing ), what I don´t like is that need of some stardust? What is the point of the GratefullDead concert?

Always in need of building Urban Legends,Hype.... that´s all.

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

I´ve got nothing against Chemdog/Chem lines ( I have never grown it, like to say somenthing ), what I don´t like is that need of some stardust? What is the point of the GratefullDead concert?

Always in need of building Urban Legends,Hype.... that´s all.

I think the point of the dead show, was to tell how the parties responsible for starting the seeds that became the chem lines met/were introduced to each other. Every good story has a backlog, and that's part of the Chemdog story.

 

[Elmer Bud]

I don´t care about the chemdog history but you are so funny:

I've broken bread with Pbud. I received a package from Chem himself.

What do you mean?That You´re cool. That you´re someone " into the know".
I know people who Works in the canna industry but that doesn´t give me more credibility or rep...

¿ Do you know what I mean ?

G`day Harry

Who do you know ?
WE want names . And Pix or it didn`t happen . looool .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[stihgnobevoli]

who gives a fuck. there's more strains out there than derivatives of these cuts. just go make something better. something different. think different.

 

[harry74]

I think the point of the dead show, was to tell how the parties responsible for starting the seeds that became the chem lines met/were introduced to each other. Every good story has a backlog, and that's part of the Chemdog story.

I don´t agree, if the meeting was in a Pizzería, they woudn´t be telling you, if Cher was Singer either.
It´s not relevant plantwise.

It´s like a Brit trying to hype a cutting and going:

" I got the seeds from a Druid in Stonehenge Summer Solstice ´98. The guy was living in Devon in a forest bla, bla, bla..."

 

[harry74]

G`day Harry

Who do you know ?
WE want names . And Pix or it didn`t happen . looool .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

A lot of people, but everyone avoids me like cáncer, you can understand why...lmao.

And probably you know allready.....

proof is in the pudding....

 

[NEGT1]

I don´t agree, if the meeting was in a Pizzería, they woudn´t be telling you, if Cher was Singer either.
It´s not relevant plantwise.

It´s like a Brit trying to hype a cutting and going:

" I got the seeds from a Druid in Stonehenge Summer Solstice ´98. The guy was living in Devon in a forest bla, bla, bla..."

Not to be a dick but it is directly relevant if we are trying to establish a lineage tree.

What's the point in testing the dna of a plant if it's not verified to be true to the name? Sure, the idea that it was a dead show is irrelevant, but the fact there is a story is especially relevant.

 

[harry74]

Real American History

Real American History

Detroit 1926 :

" I was not without my muta at the time, and some of the boys ( I won´t mention any names) used to drop by to sit in and get high with me, because I always had the best stuff that could be found.
(....) A couple of times I had to to make a trip back to Chi to pick up a fresh supply from my connection, a Little Mexican called Pasquale. In those days we used to get a Prince Albert tobacco-can full of marihuana, clean and without any sticks or seeds in it, for 2 dollars. The grefa they pushed around Detroit was like the scrapings off old wooden bridges, compared with the Golden-leaf being peddled in Chicago, and tasted twice as bad.
Every one of us that smoked the stuff came to the conclusión that it wasn´t habit-forming and couldn´t be called a narcotic. We found out that at one time the government had discussed it as a drug and tried to include it in the Harrison Anti-Narcotics Act but never could dig up any scientific reason for it. There being no law against muta then, we used to roll our cigareettes right out in the open and light up like you would on a Camel or a Chesterfield.
To us a muggle wasn´t any more dangerous or habit-forming than those other great american vices , the five cent coke and the icecream cone, only it gave you more kicks for your money."


Mezz Mezzrow & Bernard Wolfe

Really The Blues (page 93).

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Just a little clarification. When I talked with Dj last year he said his blueberry father that he uses for all his seed lines currently is about 14 years old, and the blueberry mother has been the same since early 90's.

As far as the chem line and Pbud and the rest of those guys stories. I don't see any reason why its a lie or not. Just that we still don't know which plants were used to make it. but like Dankfrank so eloquently put, it doesn't really matter. If u like it, u grow it, smoke it, keep it, pass it around, and breed with it. Its in our human nature to desire what others have, and want it for ourselves. Don't just buy into the hype and buy the first thing u see. Put in some thought, research, and work. U will eventually find what ur looking for or maybe find something even better that u didn't even know existed.

Ive recently had the opportunity to grow out all of dj's lines after spending most of the last 20 years just growing elite cuts. What a journey its been starting from seed. Its been a great experience to say the least. To greatly generalize, the elites have a potency that I will equate to hard liquor. While most of the dj lines are like a fine wine. U don't get as stoned off such a little amount. But what ive found in subtleness of effect, I didn't even really know I was missing till I got a chance to experience it. Its like taking a breath of fresh country air after living in the city for years.

I would love to work with some ibl'd landraces like ace or cannabiogen offer. But it seems to be that if u take a couple elite cuts and cross them, u stand a high percent chance to have excellent offspring almost all the time. and that seems to be the most widely offered seed product that's on the market today. I don't know exactly where im going with this, but are there people even making f1's with ibl landraces anymore. My only negative thoughts with the crossing of elites is that aren't we gonna end up with a lot of the same shit, instead of diversity and uniqueness of flavors and effects. Or if u take the time to ibl a hybrid or poly, maybe u can still create uniqueness.

 

[harry74]

Not to be a dick but it is directly relevant if we are trying to establish a lineage tree.

What's the point in testing the dna of a plant if it's not verified to be true to the name? Sure, the idea that it was a dead show is irrelevant, but the fact there is a story is especially relevant.

It´s fine man, never mind.

It´s just that........ I like more Metallica you know ???



A bit late for a change I guess....

 

[harry74]

Just a little clarification. When I talked with Dj last year he said his blueberry father that he uses for all his seed lines currently is about 14 years old, and the blueberry mother has been the same since early 90's.

As far as the chem line and Pbud and the rest of those guys stories. I don't see any reason why its a lie or not. Just that we still don't know which plants were used to make it. but like Dankfrank so eloquently put, it doesn't really matter. If u like it, u grow it, smoke it, keep it, pass it around, and breed with it. Its in our human nature to desire what others have, and want it for ourselves. Don't just buy into the hype and buy the first thing u see. Put in some thought, research, and work. U will eventually find what ur looking for or maybe find something even better that u didn't even know existed.

Ive recently had the opportunity to grow out all of dj's lines after spending most of the last 20 years just growing elite cuts. What a journey its been starting from seed. Its been a great experience to say the least. To greatly generalize, the elites have a potency that I will equate to hard liquor. While most of the dj lines are like a fine wine. U don't get as stoned off such a little amount. But what ive found in subtleness of effect, I didn't even really know I was missing till I got a chance to experience it. Its like taking a breath of fresh country air after living in the city for years.

I would love to work with some ibl'd landraces like ace or cannabiogen offer. But it seems to be that if u take a couple elite cuts and cross them, u stand a high percent chance to have excellent offspring almost all the time. and that seems to be the most widely offered seed product that's on the market today. I don't know exactly where im going with this, but are there people even making f1's with ibl landraces anymore. My only negative thoughts with the crossing of elites is that aren't we gonna end up with a lot of the same shit, instead of diversity and uniqueness of flavors and effects. Or if u take the time to ibl a hybrid or poly, maybe u can still create uniqueness.

¿ Is it true that DJ waters his P1 stock with a infusión made of magic mushroom? Once in a Blue Moon of course....

¿ Can you clarify this point Miraculous ?

 

[Miraculous Meds]

¿ Is it true that DJ waters his P1 stock with a infusión made of magic mushroom? Once in a Blue Moon of course....

¿ Can you clarify this point Miraculous ?

U got it backwards. He uses a cannabis infusion to water his magic mushrooms.

Fuk man. Idk if ur serious, joking, being a dick, or all of the above. lol

Id rather prefer to eat the mushrooms, then smoke the cannabis. that works best for me. Ive tried smoking mushrooms. Tastes like nasty burnt marshmellows.

 

[Goatstroker]

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[quokka]

People probably wouldn't even want to grow it if it originated from a Cher concert.

I agree Harry.

 

[harry74]

The Musical preferences of the Breeder, have nothin´to do with the quality of his work. On top of that is irrelevant.

What is relevant is:

Male Female ratio, stretch in flowering, smell, effect, productivity,vigour, cannabinoid profile, ratio of the desired pheno in a seed line, flowering time, presence or not of nanners, feeding needs, wáter needs...

Every info that can help a grower interested in that genetics to have a succesfull experience IS RELEVANT.

 

[quokka]

I was being a bit tongue in cheek as i thought you were........

The Grateful Dead is a much cooler provenance than buying some herb at a Nana Mouskouri concert.

Of course it doesn't matter where it was found.

 

[Cool Moe]

People probably wouldn't even want to grow it if it originated from a Cher concert.

I agree Harry.

If a weed strain originated at a Cher concert it would probably sport sequins and smell like balls and ass. At a Metallica show you'd be more likely to find mexi schwagg laced with meth. When you really think about it, the fact that a strain known to smell like dirty socks and offensive body odor funk came from a Dead show makes perfect sense.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

The Musical preferences of the Breeder, have nothin´to do with the quality of his work. On top of that is irrelevant.

What is relevant is:

Male Female ratio, stretch in flowering, smell, effect, productivity,vigour, cannabinoid profile, ratio of the desired pheno in a seed line, flowering time, presence or not of nanners, feeding needs, wáter needs...

Every info that can help a grower interested in that genetics to have a succesfull experience IS RELEVANT.

Clearly your not a dead head.

 

[TRH Seeds]

What are you calling a Lie? Seems more like a rookie that didn't put in their dues and never met the right people.

I can only speak for the Chemdog story being real. I 've met and worked with JoeB AKA Chemfather, I've broken bread with Pbud. I received a package from Chem himself. Pbud picked up some Skelly hashplant flowers in colorado and drove them to a Colorado Grateful Dead show in the early 90's. JoeB, Pbud's friend, sold flowers to Chem. Chem found seeds. BOOM Chem line. Thats the short and sweet version.

Choose to believe it or not, I don't really care.