OG Kush, Sour Diesel, Chemdog, Chemdawg, ECSD will always be a myth

[Psi Haze]

I still laugh my ass off at Ken Estes Grand Daddy Purple story...

#1 "gifted to him by a blackfoot indian living off the grid growing the GDP"

..then he changed it, to..

#2 "Ken was befriended by a small group of Vietnam vets who willingly started sharing their medical marijuana with him."

#3 "Ken then took his original "Grand Daddy Purp" strain and crossed it back into itself, creating an even more potent and effective medical strain." - what???

and..

#4 "is a champagne strain that's defiantly "quality without compromise" making it a great way to start the day off or end the day, right. Our dominant Indica strain is like no other, and it's just what the doctor ordered!"


hahaha....


I still think it's funny that Ken and his buddy had a falling out and the other guy made off with most of the stuff.. ..so the story goes. I guess its not easy being stuck in a wheelchair and expecting someone else to do all the labor work.

 

[Cabinet Ninja]

From what I underdtand, the Ken Estes/Granddaddy Genetics breakup is a bit different.

Someone else (PNW_Roots) was doing the majority of the breeding/growing. Ken was just the name. Breeder got pissed off with Ken's bullshit and left with the genetics that Ken only put his name to.

I might be wrong but that's p much the gist of it.

 

[Amphigor3y]

don't look at reeferman's seeds then, cause he sells a good ECSD cross

 

[MJPassion]

So you think cannabis and breeding wasn't about capitalism before legalization?

I also find it fascinating we single handily blame a grower but not the breeder or end user for the change.

It is the consumers responsibility to ensure that what they are purchasing is in fact what the seller claims it to be. The seller can say whatever they want to hype their product whether its seeds or shampoo (within certain guidelines for legit businesses).

It always has been true and will continue through eternity as long as people are buying & selling things to one another.

The burden is wholly on the consumer.
If you feel you got jacked, you probably did not do your due diligence homework previous to making your purchase.

On that note.
Americans can show great apathy when it comes to consumerism.

 

[MJPassion]

I must be the only one who actually ENJOYS these types of debates...
Also, I blame the draconian laws that most ppl still live under fro the mis-information and lies.

Where's the logic in this comment?

Laws don't create misinformation or make people lie!

THE CANNABIS SEED BUSINESS IS TRULY A SEEDY BUSINESS.
IT IS UNREGULATED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SEED SELLERS CAN OUT RIGHT LIE IN ORDER TO HYPE THEIR WARES!

Consumers have but one responsibility to themselves...
researsh, research, research...

Don't believe anything you are told & only half of what you hear.
(Reading is hearing as words do not automatically imply fact)
In other words...
Believe what you will...

 

[MJPassion]

"Now it has to be of documented lineage in order to properly titrate the placebo effect."

This comment made my morning.

 

[Cool Moe]

At the end of the day, if you don't think it's legit, don't buy it. Go down to Texas and get yourself some moldy, seeded, brown, compressed brick weed. It might taste like shit and barely get you high, but you can share it with all your best friends and proudly guarantee that what they are smoking is from Mexico.

 

[eatUR<3out]

Where's the logic in this comment?

Laws don't create misinformation or make people lie!

THE CANNABIS SEED BUSINESS IS TRULY A SEEDY BUSINESS.
IT IS UNREGULATED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SEED SELLERS CAN OUT RIGHT LIE IN ORDER TO HYPE THEIR WARES!..

It is unregulated due to the many years of oppression and laws against it. Its a seedy business because there are no rules or regulations... with regulations come standards and rules...
Do you think the cannabis world in general would be even remotely the way it is if it was never made illegal and didn't have the stigma/lies that was attached to it by people with other motives to outlaw cannabis?
BTW, I have some delicious cucumbers for sale... I mean, they look like cauliflowers, but trust me, they're cucumbers...

 

[Pbud]

I can't speak for all the OG's out there. But I can for sure tell you the true history of the Chemdog family.



QUOTE=RubberBand;6747172]I'm just sick of the people that think they know the genetics perpetuating myths
I'm sick of the people that pretend to know the genetics history spreading lies.
I'm sick of people that google the genetics pretending to be experts on the history.

What really pisses me the fuck off is professionals that call themselves breeders passing off their knowledge as fact.

NOBODY. NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON HAS DEFINITIVE PROOF OF THE HISTORY OF ANY OF THOSE GENETICS, so stop preaching that "knowledge" as if it was gospel!

Sorry to rant, but I think this debate needs to end because nothing has been confirmed to this day, just opinions.[/QUOTE]

 

[Doc D]

From what I underdtand, the Ken Estes/Granddaddy Genetics breakup is a bit different.

Someone else (PNW_Roots) was doing the majority of the breeding/growing. Ken was just the name. Breeder got pissed off with Ken's bullshit and left with the genetics that Ken only put his name to.

I might be wrong but that's p much the gist of it.

It was NWGDP_REP not PNW_Roots... If we care about accuracy ;-)

 

[Dr.King]

I'm just sick of the people that think they know the genetics perpetuating myths
I'm sick of the people that pretend to know the genetics history spreading lies.
I'm sick of people that google the genetics pretending to be experts on the history.

What really pisses me the fuck off is professionals that call themselves breeders passing off their knowledge as fact.

NOBODY. NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON HAS DEFINITIVE PROOF OF THE HISTORY OF ANY OF THOSE GENETICS, so stop preaching that "knowledge" as if it was gospel!

Sorry to rant, but I think this debate needs to end because nothing has been confirmed to this day, just opinions.

It's all about choosing the correct breeders in my opinion. I know for a fact both DJ Short and Dubi(Ace seeds) both speak on their forum sections about their breeding. DJ Short has had his Blueberry mother for over 40 years now. Which will probably get passed down to someone very close to him once it's time. Dubi from Ace goes all across searching and finding rare landrace genetics. People don't understand that the USA is so far behind in researching and development. Aces seeds come directly from the actual landrace growers. The actual growers of these seeds come from places deep within Africa and other 3rd world countries. These growers don't grow for profit, they do it for the love.

Now to your point. I understand where you are coming from because us as a human race place names and titles upon items. We choose what to name things based on such things. In this case we are speaking about cannabis so if it taste and smells like Blueberry to the fullest extent like nothing else you have ever seen why not name it that? I will say 99% of them are myths but to say they will always be myths I highly doubt. No one thought AI was actually possible but it's happening now as we speak. Just think what the next 100 or next 500 years will bring? Ray Kurzweil, director of engineering at Google, believes we will be able to upload our entire brains to computers within the next 32 years - an event known as singularity. Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man. In fact, of the 147 predictions that Kurzweil has made since 1990, fully 115 of them have turned out to be correct, and another 12 have turned out to be "essentially correct" (off by a year or two), giving his predictions a stunning 86% accuracy rate. Sorry to get off subject .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...s-2045-bodies-replaced-machines-90-years.html

 

[WelderDan]

All that shit is jut Bagseed. The results of hermies. None of it was purpose bred. Somebody found some seeds in a bag of Dank and POOF, it's now an elite clone only.

Origin stories a nice. Some might be true, some might be bullshit. The same goes for half the seeds on the market. Are you really sure you are getting what was advertised, or just more marketing?

They are bagseed. End of story.

 

[MJPassion]

It's all about choosing the correct breeders in my opinion. I know for a fact both DJ Short and Dubi(Ace seeds) both speak on their forum sections about their breeding. DJ Short has had his Blueberry mother for over 40 years now. Which will probably get passed down to someone very close to him once it's time. Dubi from Ace goes all across searching and finding rare landrace genetics. People don't understand that the USA is so far behind in researching and development. Aces seeds come directly from the actual landrace growers. The actual growers of these seeds come from places deep within Africa and other 3rd world countries. These growers don't grow for profit, they do it for the love.

Now to your point. I understand where you are coming from because us as a human race place names and titles upon items. We choose what to name things based on such things. In this case we are speaking about cannabis so if it taste and smells like Blueberry to the fullest extent like nothing else you have ever seen why not name it that? I will say 99% of them are myths but to say they will always be myths I highly doubt. No one thought AI was actually possible but it's happening now as we speak. Just think what the next 100 or next 500 years will bring? Ray Kurzweil, director of engineering at Google, believes we will be able to upload our entire brains to computers within the next 32 years - an event known as singularity. Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man. In fact, of the 147 predictions that Kurzweil has made since 1990, fully 115 of them have turned out to be correct, and another 12 have turned out to be "essentially correct" (off by a year or two), giving his predictions a stunning 86% accuracy rate. Sorry to get off subject .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...s-2045-bodies-replaced-machines-90-years.html

Apparently you don't already know...
DJs Blueberry, Flo, F13, Grape Krush and maybe a couple other of his mothers have already been unleashed upon the med community a few years back...

And as far as the USA being behind...
I suggest you do a little more reading before flappin your gums on that subject. You are quite obviously very uninformed if ya think that's any sort of truth.
Where do ya think the Dutch got started? It sure want Nevils #1 occupation.

 

[red rider]

The actual growers of these seeds come from places deep within Africa and other 3rd world countries. These growers don't grow for profit, they do it for the love.

I can agree with everything you say except this^^

The poor farmers in Colombia grow cannabis, coca and poppies out of survival. There is no love involved in fact they don't even consume what they produce and only grow these plants because they pays just enough to feed their families.

 

[dank.frank]

DJ Short has had his Blueberry mother for over 40 years now.

If I'm not mistaken (maybe I am), Velvet Rush was one of his very first creations - and that was in the late 70's - '78 or '79. His defined blueberry lines began to take shape shortly there after. Several of his parental lines were lost (B130 male for example) along the way and resulted in new seed varieties being made. "Over 40 years" is a bit of an exaggeration, no? If the whole point of this thread is to dispel myth - let's not create new ones in the process...



dank.Frank

 

[Dr.King]

Apparently you don't already know...
DJs Blueberry, Flo, F13, Grape Krush and maybe a couple other of his mothers have already been unleashed upon the med community a few years back...

And as far as the USA being behind...
I suggest you do a little more reading before flappin your gums on that subject. You are quite obviously very uninformed if ya think that's any sort of truth.
Where do ya think the Dutch got started? It sure want Nevils #1 occupation.

When did I say DJ shorts strains where not available? I'm confused why you said that statement.

Also seems like you are trying to start or pick a fight. Why would you say I am "flapping my gums" in such a crud way. It's all about happiness here . I was just simply saying that the USA which I live in, has had a Federal Government Ban on Cannabis which Bans all research on any part of the Cannabis plant. Other counties don't have bans and have been researching so for over 50 years now. Point made here. http://www.projectcbd.org/
Most of their research is acquired from other counties studies.

If I'm not mistaken (maybe I am), Velvet Rush was one of his very first creations - and that was in the late 70's - '78 or '79. His defined blueberry lines began to take shape shortly there after. Several of his parental lines were lost (B130 male for example) along the way and resulted in new seed varieties being made. "Over 40 years" is a bit of an exaggeration, no? If the whole point of this thread is to dispel myth - let's not create new ones in the process...



dank.Frank

DJ short has already verified for himself that he has his Original Blueberry mother still. He did get broken into but I can only go by word of mouth, sorry. I still don't understand how this is up for debate but it's all good lol .

 

[ChemCat]

What are you calling a Lie? Seems more like a rookie that didn't put in their dues and never met the right people.

I can only speak for the Chemdog story being real. I 've met and worked with JoeB AKA Chemfather, I've broken bread with Pbud. I received a package from Chem himself. Pbud picked up some Skelly hashplant flowers in colorado and drove them to a Colorado Grateful Dead show in the early 90's. JoeB, Pbud's friend, sold flowers to Chem. Chem found seeds. BOOM Chem line. Thats the short and sweet version.

Choose to believe it or not, I don't really care.

What is Skelly Hashplant, always wondered what the Chem is

 

[quokka]

Chemdog Fam.............Cookie Fam........ Ken Estes.............

 

[dank.frank]

I don't see why the Chemdog thing is even considered "myth" or whatever. Sure, no one knows exactly what they are genetically - but it certainly doesn't dimish what the line is. It doesn't change the facts about HOW it all came in to being...the guys who were part of that are still here on ICm. My goodness, Pbud just posted in this very thread - I can't believe people would have the audacity to call him a liar. It's 20 years later - everyone has the cuts and has bred them into oblivion - what is there to be gained by holding to a false story?!?!

It's not like if you know the exact genetics you are going to be able to recreate the same plants - phenotype, phenotype, phenotype. The only real benefit of DNA testing them is to utilize that information as a tool for breeders to create more stable seedlines when outcrossing or Bx'ing with them...reducing variation by staying closer within the proper genetic pool...but otherwise...

The chem lines single handedly changed peoples expectation of cannabis and when worked are responsible for some of the very best hybrids on the market....period. I really don't think it should be considered a "myth" - it's just an awesome story of what happens when a few heads get together and share flowers and ideas...

You want your own legend...your own myth...sprout more seeds and stop chasing after cuts. Can't be bitter and angry if your focus is on your own garden and finding your own path as opposed to chasing the path someone else walked two decades ago...

Anyone that knows me, knows I tend to go all super nerd when it comes to the stories and the legends and the lore - it's all part of the history - and I just think it's awesome to have the knowledge. However, at the end of the day it's not like it really matters - knowing what things are doesn't make them smoke any different.

It's like many people have told me: if you have it, smoke it and enjoy it. Just like those in the know say of the OGs - the best OG is always going to be the one you take the time to learn every aspect of and get dialed perfectly. The answer is not in chasing this cut or that cut - it's in learning how to maximize what you have in front of you and improving your skill set as a grower...that's the ART.

I know from personal experience you can really take the fun and joy out of the hobby if you are constantly focused and dissatisfied because of what you can't get and being envious of what someone else has that you don't. I guess what I'm saying is don't get caught up. Learn the stories and appreciate them for what they are. They make great campfire storeis when your getting baked with your friends.

Funny thing is - if you've ever payed any attention to OTHER plants - the exact same thing is true. Roses...tomatoes...peppers... even field peas; heirlooms, so-and-so and his great great grandmother...this university or that botanist or some ex-president, etc, etc, etc. Such things are not limited to "stoners" and cannabis. It's like that with pretty much all plants. Welcome to farming. Just go with it.



dank.Frank

 

[MJPassion]

When did I say DJ shorts strains where not available? I'm confused why you said that statement.

Also seems like you are trying to start or pick a fight. Why would you say I am "flapping my gums" in such a crud way. It's all about happiness here . I was just simply saying that the USA which I live in, has had a Federal Government Ban on Cannabis which Bans all research on any part of the Cannabis plant. Other counties don't have bans and have been researching so for over 50 years now. Point made here. http://www.projectcbd.org/
Most of their research is acquired from other counties studies.



DJ short has already verified for himself that he has his Original Blueberry mother still. He did get broken into but I can only go by word of mouth, sorry. I still don't understand how this is up for debate but it's all good lol .

I said exactly what I meant...
DJ Short unleashed his MOTHERS on the med community. His selected mother plants. The ones he used to make his seed stock. The mothers to the seeds that are for sale in various places.

And yeah...
spreading misinformation is flappin your gums.
If you get happiness from having to sort through crap to find a bit of silver that's fine but don't be spreading that crap all over the place just because you got some on your hand. Wash it off.