OG Kush heritage?

[VerdantGreen]

ive made some seeds of (Lemon thai x Deep chunk) x bubba kush
- kind of like the hash plant x LT x afghan that some peeps think is close to the OG genetics

got some test grows going atm if anyone wants to peep in on my private breeder's forum.

VG

 

[highsteppa]

The limonene and structure of flower sites do support thai hypothetically. What I want to ask you Chimera is if you noticed any hybrids prior to OG Kush having similar flower behavior or do you feel OG is the first we have ever seen regarding design?

I know this is directed at Chimera, but I will say that a real DJ Short stretch indica is almost identical to OGK in structure and flower formation, as well as the amount of "stick" between buds. Likewise it also produces good buds even down below. It shows sativa in structure while having a mostly indica effect in the smoke. They respond to training more or less the same as well.

The terps are very different, and the bb is faster and doesn't stretch as much. the bb can outyield OG easily and will produce on par with chem D any time, but 10 days faster...anyway, going off topic; I used to call her the "proto-og"

 

[ThaDocta]

This might be the single worst thread I can imagine. Chock full of misinformation and uniformed dribble. SMDH...

 

[MJtheIndicator]

ive made some seeds of (Lemon thai x Deep chunk) x bubba kush
- kind of like the hash plant x LT x afghan that some peeps think is close to the OG genetics

got some test grows going atm if anyone wants to peep in on my private breeder's forum.

VG

I do hope you're able to get the chem happening as well.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I know this is directed at Chimera, but I will say that a real DJ Short stretch indica is almost identical to OGK in structure and flower formation, as well as the amount of "stick" between buds. Likewise it also produces good buds even down below. It shows sativa in structure while having a mostly indica effect in the smoke. They respond to training more or less the same as well.

The terps are very different, and the bb is faster and doesn't stretch as much. the bb can outyield OG easily and will produce on par with chem D any time, but 10 days faster...anyway, going off topic; I used to call her the "proto-og"

When you mention "stretch indica" are you speaking of a component in Blueberry or any random taller indica one can select from the floral line?

 

[MJtheIndicator]

This might be the single worst thread I can imagine. Chock full of misinformation and uniformed dribble. SMDH...

In deference to your wisdom, is it cool if we could address something you feel is off-base or misleading? And not to be dickish about spellcheck, but did you mean to say "uninformed"?

 

[MJtheIndicator]

^^^thats the question right there.... I would like to know too. Nevil claims to have come across the "diesel/fuel" expressions when he was in A'dam from the A5 line I believe. OG, to me, seems like the result of a concerted breeding effort to put hard hitting, hashy indica buds all over a giant sativa frame....and as the S# generations seem to show very little variation, I'd assume it was worked for quite a while...fwiw.

Much respect Chimera, thank you for all you have done for our plant...

The fascinating thing about the A5 diesel pheno is the timing, late 80's with the SSH sister occuring congruent or shortly after. My concern is when the A5 diesel pheno "discussion" first happened. I wonder if its a dialogue surrounding older master cuts vs. modern hybrids or if pondering of the phenotype happens after Sour D had saturated the market. I don't think there's been a distinction historically occuring as far as Original Diesel opposed to Sour is concerned, which does make the dialogue somewhat inconsequential in terms of why it was brought up in the first place.

For the purposes of our discussion its great, but in the big picture I don't feel Haze lovers cared/care much about how an indica dominant Haze is reminiscent of Diesel, that is unless Nevil's Haze (NL5/Haze) lovers were getting a hard-on for Diesel and one needed to emphasize cornerstones. Anyhow, Northern Lights fuely? Nah... Fuelish pheno? Moderate nah. Distant comparitive? Sure you bet. Regardless, I love Nevil with all my heart

A5 diesel pheno's popularity is mid - late 90's, but I somewhat doubt they were calling it a Diesel pheno then. If someone could provide the earliest mention of Haze relative to Diesel that would be neat. I can see how a freak 14 week indica/NL5 leaning Haze could get interesting, but interesting in the sense of Original Diesel? I would have to say no. There's not much trip in Diesel, strong sure, but otherwise standard pain relief. I can't sincerely agree the terpene profiles of the two are close either.

If you flip the whole thing on its head then you wind up with even deeper albeit circular debates of Sour Diesel being a Jack Herer selection, context is often lost in translation when the breeder matrix widens so greatly approaching open-source.

"Super Silver Haze, Jack Herrer and Diesel are not different lineages, they are the same cutting!"
- Nevil Schoenmakers (08-16-2010)

One might extrapolate Nevil is speaking of A5 here, but I won't be the one to insult him with such speculation nor do I care to boggle the community any further than it already suffers. Rather, I feel it best to reinforce a comment like that with axiom:

"Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer. Somebody else renamed it Diesel. 5HzC X Sk1Hz C was not as good as 5Hz1. Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands. Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil's Haze, the father being HzC."
- Nevil Schoenmakers (08-16-2010)

I feel many a contemporary conversational shenanigan surrounds the push to paint OG Kush in a permanently sativaesque light. Did the first design of OG Kush have sativa dominance in mind? I don't feel that way, but I do feel breeders in the millennium desired to forward the claim as a means to distinguish themselves. My point is that drawing conclusions based on Northern Lights and its relation to Super Skunk in Diesel are tautological. Both of those breeding programs are closely related. And if any of the parties involved with these fabulous genetics are offended I bring any of this up here, I apologize. I hope everyone understands my love. These folks have enriched the quality of my life for so many years, the equality of such enrichment is what I hope we can all embrace.

NL5 x Super Skunk with accidental Hawaiian pollination was a cross sold upstate NY. Allegedly this might be an NYC Diesel alpha version minus the chem. It just makes a debate surrounding A5 Haze and Diesel seem redundant since we know NL5 is a component of Diesel. Anyhow, I feel Original Diesel's fuel profile is a result of the terpenes in NL reacting to the spice of Chem Dawg, one might find the same reaction when using a product like Asafoetida (Hing) which is sulfurous in its affect. We could say hey isn't this what's happening in OG Kush as regards gasoline or a chem factor, but I still feel either's fuel aspect is unique unto itself.

The take away question is: Northern Lights and OG Kush related? Maybe in brew or recipe, but I would say no not in element. However, I wouldn't be shocked if before we're all gone that we have genetic proof of Northern Lights forming the basis of OG Kush. Based on the initial question structurally speaking, Northern Lights might have the greater sativa hallmarks, whereas OG Kush seems to exhibit an Afghani stamp or as you deftly put it indica flesh on sativa skeleton.

 

[waveguide]

! do you grow hing? without selling it to me.. how far away do i have to plant it to deter odor complaints?

supposed to taste like onion, and "kill gas of a horse".

 

[Greyskull]

so. heres a little something I heard and dug into and heard again and dug further and heard again. and again and again and again.
and its about a plant here on Maui called "The Dawg" aka "The Maui Dawg"...

and its not to be mistaken for another replant I have, that is so happened to be called "The Dog" (and its not Dogbud, either... I checked hahaha)

The Maui Dawg. Well, what is Maui Dawg, and how does this pertain to OG Kush and its lineage? I hope to tell you....

I had heard about the Maui Dawg for many years, from many different friends of mine. Including my good buddy and aficianado's aficionado SmokeTrees that the Maui Dawg was an OG Kush kind of bud. It took me a while to finally get to see it (the buds), smoke it, and check out the plant that bears the flowers... and what was it that stood so eloquently before me on the slopes of Haleakalā?

I just fucking saw the same thing I have seen a hundred maybe a thousand hell 10,000 times before... OG Kush.

The story of the Maui Dawg is a classic island tale... different uncles tell it a little differently but the pieces and the end sum are the same.

Whether or not the Chemdog91 clone was grown and selfed, and then the progeny looked at by the hundreds as one uncle said... or if it was Chemdog91 buds being shipped over to Maui and a single seed was found, and popped as another family said... the gist is, the Maui Dawg is without doubt, and without question a result of an s1 found in chemdog91 flowers.

it retains the leathery needed out look even late into flower it won't flush yellow just like its chemdog91 momma does. but its growth structure, leaf serrations, nodal spacing...EVERYTHING ABOUT IT is fucking OG KUSH... the smell the taste the high...

YOU WANT TO KNOW OG KUSH'S HERITAGE? FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CHEMDOG91 IS


aloha

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I do feel if you combine a spice driven strain like chem you can achieve gasoline tones, but I don't feel its achieved with something typical of Pakistani plants, maybe Paki leaning Uzbeki, but that's a stretch. The fuel is probably more easily achieved with Afghanis + spice terp strains.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

! do you grow hing? without selling it to me.. how far away do i have to plant it to deter odor complaints?

supposed to taste like onion, and "kill gas of a horse".

hing is the shit

 

[bigherb]

No way Deez/Chem got anything to do with Haze what Soo ever . I had that convo with Nevil while he was posting in the SSH/JH/diesel thread .

This pondering of lineage has gone on forever , well it's a guarantee to say we will soon one day know .

I understand your fascination with understanding the genetics , if you recall my quest with Haze . I believe afghan to be the main attribute to the chemdog .Im not sure of all the myth behind OG but . The whole idea of hashplant crossed with thai was from left field to me and after some thought, simply look at DJ shorts blueberry - Afghani Thai Oaxacan or his blue moonshine - Thai /Afghani .

The Game has changed with these genetics but Im thankful to folk who are still cracking and of course breeding seeds from remote areas . Look at what our brother storm shadow has discovered

Best wishes


1luvbigherb

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I agree that afghani is driving chem and is arguably the cornerstone of everything we've seen for so many years on the heavy side. Its no coincidence the further north you go whether it be Sheberghan or even into Uzbekistan, the stone gets very powerful. Storm Shadow's Iranian efforts are fun, crazy leaf output too - serious bush.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

This might be the single worst thread I can imagine. Chock full of misinformation and uniformed dribble. SMDH...

Well u said the same about the info I was sharing in the Chemdog91 thread, before u realize I was right, and Matt was the one who brought the first OG in cali in 1995/96.
For some obscure reasons, U didn't came back to apologies after u pictured me as a idiot spreading false claim.

Why u don't share with us ur version of the story then??

OG kush is from a bag seed in Florida in 1991, according to Matt, the dude who brought the clone to Cali. Breal and others change the name from Kush to Original Kush. This clone is the original OG kush later known as Ghost OG.

Many claimed to have OG Kush before 1996, but none can prove it. So far only Matt and Josh have come up with strong evidences.

Could this bag seed been a TK s1 or x? Is OG Kush from a real breeding project? Big Ricky claimed it is, or is it a accidental hermie cross? Thats what we trying to find out now.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I appreciate the origin stories of cuts and the aforementioned back-story like many similar are connected to specific cuts in this case the Ghost OG, but breeding programs regarding kush in California go back into late 70's - 80's era whether is be purple, Pure kush etc. This is the purpose of a thread like this, to rely on the skillset of seasoned farmers and breeders to punctuate the differentiation between landrace which are categorically confused as regards the kush region.

To be fair though the last thing icmag needs is another OG Kush thread and I do bear some of that burden, but to keep it real this is an ancestral thread regarding genetics which circumvents "folklore" and instead harbors dialogue to extinguish elusivity. I've asked Docta to participate in a more pro-active manner, but sometimes people like to do the ding-dong ditchem thing. Its all good and if its not all good its alright. What I mean is that I don't give a fuck about beef, nostalgia or who had what cut and why. If breeders who have experience cultivating predominantly OG for the last nine years without reasonable knowledge of Aghani or Pakistani landrace want to attempt to discuss genetics they are welcome, but if their habits point to OG fanboyism this might not be the most gratifying thread to read through.

All genome attempts aside, having a reasonable outline of how this OG relates to that OG is somewhat pointless if you don't have a solid genetic map of landraces to begin with. A thread like this points to such reality to enable it or at best encourage fundamental understanding.

 

[Bill Bellamy]

I got my cut of OG in 1995 from Don Henley just after he re-released boys of summer on iPod.. he said the true lineage is forum cut gsc to silver pearl. I asked where he got it and he said from Scott Baio from Charles in Charge..

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I got my cut of OG in 1995 from Don Henley just after he re-released boys of summer on iPod.. he said the true lineage is forum cut gsc to silver pearl. I asked where he got it and he said from Scott Baio from Charles in Charge..

Shocking, considering Scott Baio's 1980 appearence in the ABC Afterschool Special "Stoned", built around peer pressure and its resultant drug abuse.

 

[Lester Beans]

Fuckin' Chachi lmao

 

[RoyalFlush]

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[Hrpuffnkush]

First time I heard weed called crip was in Hawaii ,they have been using that term since late 70's ,
First time I ever seen or heard of TK was on the farm from krome and it was his triangle kush / white , and it wasn't og related untill raskal crossed his fire to it , raskal posted here on IC in 2008 triangle kush is the white......
I have close pro skater buddy that's from Florida that has been doing big things since late 80's he never seen or herd of OG in florida till early 2000's ....