OG Kush heritage?

[WelderDan]

The thing is, even with genetic testing, the human aspect in terms of sourcing and verifying is more important and in this particular case is where the issue actually is....so it's still going to be hard...

Simply put. After you test 20 cuts of OG, you still can't tell which once was the original...or it's still very, very unlikely you'll be able to tell which is the original. You can verify if they are all similar, and what may not be an OG, but DNA poses no lineage or historic information unless it can be tied to real life events...

If we definitively knew which was the original then you could have a much easier time telling which ones aren't closely related, but unless we have proper sourcing, it's a crap shoot.

And that's the rub. Too many claims on who has the original, and more popping up, like that Supadipshit. Hell, he has given three differing stories alone. He's even said it had Hawaiian Web leaf in it. Then there is the Bubba dude from Florida that claims he found the OG in Bagseed, and it pollinated a NL cross from Humbolt (that he got in New Orleans) to create Bubba Kush.

Just more convoluted bullshit from wannabe cannabis legends.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to know the truth. But separating truth from bullshit is nigh impossible. And I'm afraid that the truth may never be truly told. But I do feel testing will at least give an idea what is likely in it. Even if we can't figure out who did it.

To me, what it really is (genetically) is more important that who popped the bagseed.

 

[CARE giver]

can we just agree we don't actually know?

 

[Psi Haze]

Doesn't bring to mind lemons or fuel.

agreed... No Lemons or Fuel.. Bring that spicy, "True OG".

 

[Psi Haze]

can we just agree we don't actually know?

The best I can do is tell you how a spent a few thousand dollars on cannabis and "OG Kush" or "Kush" in the 80s/90s in SoCal. (all personal use)..

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Keep on truckin'

Keep on truckin'

can we just agree we don't actually know?

I wouldn't want anyone to get tired, but I do feel we are getting to know. Slow or fast I don't mind because I think you all have fine ideas and theories that's why I stick around and annoy everyone.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

pakistan vs. moroccan vs. lebanese

You can see relation between Leb and Moroccan, color definition, cola and height, possibly shorter in a Leb could be due to a more arid setting, soil is rather different as well in a flatland. The interesting thing about Pakistani varieties whether invasive or not to Morocco, there is an abundance of Pakistani genetics in the lower Rif, the higher up they might not want so much integration or maybe it has a bit to do with the Pakistani potency compared to Moroccan landraces.

 

[PrimalHaze]

thank you MJ,

considering the title of the thread and poll.... i was wondering when someone was going define the differences btwn paki vs affie.

which region has the highest potency on avg? afghanistan?

which one has the largest/broadest leaves?

which one has smells like OG?

earliest flowering?

best resin for dry sift??

-pH

 

[NEGT1]

thank you MJ,

considering the title of the thread and poll.... i was wondering when someone was going define the differences btwn paki vs affie.

which region has the highest potency on avg? afghanistan?

which one has the largest/broadest leaves?

which one has smells like OG?

earliest flowering?

best resin for dry sift??

-pH

I'd love for someone to do a survey where it's not talked about in an open discussion. Even now you can kind of tell some of the stories were collaborated to keep a certain integrity to the lineage.

I wonder how much variation there would be in a closed survey.

 

[Mate Dave]

OG is fairly crap anyway.. It tastes like its missing lots of terpenes and the buzz is incredibly boring and has a ceiling. Its a novelty strain from my perspective!

 

[MJtheIndicator]

thank you MJ,

considering the title of the thread and poll.... i was wondering when someone was going define the differences btwn paki vs affie.

which region has the highest potency on avg? afghanistan?

which one has the largest/broadest leaves?

which one has smells like OG?

earliest flowering?

best resin for dry sift??

-pH

There's a couple schools to consider or sides of the regional debate. One school wants us to respect the difference in the proximate regions of the Hindu Kush range and the other school desires a broad stroke to create a general definition of attribute exported from the Hindu Kush.

If I am to be sensitive to the party line and generalities, more than a few growers would point to Pakistan and its inherent superiority bred towards the production of charas. That notion is often attached to a taste in the average of Chitral varieties and modern growers' habit to use these when seeking purps, grapes etc. I'm not denying the Pakistani charas is primo, but I do feel the greater potency is to be found at high Afghani altitude in a different soil and climate than Chitral or its relative northern Pakistani ground. Plants might have a deeper survival instinct up on the ridge and a wider microbial environment.

The broad leaf debate is a confusing dialogue. Some would say there isn't enough of a difference to constitute an argument. But there is internodal spacing to consider as well as calyx to leaf ratio. I would ask which variety exhibits more of a single cola to try and isolate a motivation for leaf growth characteristic and differentiation. Some would claim the Afghani as a closer relative to Asian cultivars and I wouldn't disagree, I also suspect this difference has a marginal amount to do with why a Nepali and Chitral might come across more larfy than an Afghani. So if I had to choose the narrow, I would say Afghanistan with the median pointing to overall leaf output on a plant (lower down wider?), yet its like splitting hairs. Almost like asking which is darker, being an even more confusing discussion.

The smell is an interesting notion. This depends on if you feel the earliest OG to be of lemon/fuel or throwing hashy tones. I'm of the mind the prototype or at least earlier OG was coming across as a refined hash plant and when Chem was acclimated in short time the lemons and fuel became louder, I feel those terps and flavonoids coalesced eventually maybe culminating in white and fire.

As personal choice I would probably feel more comfortable letting a Pakistan go longer in flower assuming structure is less abrupt or concentrated, light is probably having a harder time reaching its innermost target. However, many would argue there are more than enough Afghani examples whose leaf structure and squat nature are the greater foil of light. Feels like splitting hairs again, but there is difference even if subtle.

Dry sift Afghanistan, rubbed Pakistan. You might want to study the girth of each varieties trichome under microscope to choose which makes more sense sieved. It would also help to try and evaluate which has the more sativa-like expression in trichome production.

 

[stoney917]

Its to late now... ne so called conclusions r gonna get hella speculation n doubt ... less with science but i believe the one who knows aint ever gonna let it beknown... imo mutha fuk Pakistan mutha fuck Afghanistan. ..... i vote neither. ...OG IS AMERICAN.....

 

[quokka]

I think that nobody knows, and even if someone did know how could that person prove it, or disprove someone else?

They can't.

 

[mojave green]

The best I can do is tell you how a spent a few thousand dollars on cannabis and "OG Kush" or "Kush" in the 80s/90s in SoCal. (all personal use)..

you mean you spent a few thousand dollars on cannabis and what you thought was "OG Kush" or "Kush."

 

[Mate Dave]

^ I smoke lots and lots and all Ital - (Thats pure) Perhaps a thousand £ a month give or take.

OG is crap!

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Holy Mountains > holy hash

Holy Mountains > holy hash

Its to late now... ne so called conclusions r gonna get hella speculation n doubt ... less with science but i believe the one who knows aint ever gonna let it beknown... imo mutha fuk Pakistan mutha fuck Afghanistan. ..... i vote neither. ...OG IS AMERICAN.....

Without Afghanistan we would have no Skunk to begin with in fact our offering as an importer of genetics without hash plants in the mix is rather weak. Thank you for your auspicious blessings Pariyatra Parvata.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I think that nobody knows, and even if someone did know how could that person prove it, or disprove someone else?

They can't.

If there is one thing we know of the OG Kush origin it is the speculative process that went into the first breeder's guess. To judge others for an educated guess which is all this is would be immature.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

I'd love for someone to do a survey where it's not talked about in an open discussion. Even now you can kind of tell some of the stories were collaborated to keep a certain integrity to the lineage.

I wonder how much variation there would be in a closed survey.

Alot of folks agree with bagseed origin and the Chem aspect, I'm on the fence as to whether I believe it was a fluke from the start or engineered from day one. I'm also not convinced Thai is a definitive element, but a fair guess as to sativa trait pointing towards thai is reasonable.

What I noticed early on in this poll which may turn out to be a more believable cross-section as time goes on and more and more people get exhausted with ANOTHER OG KUSH THREAD, I noticed a quick pinpoint towards Afghanistan, as if to say growers are fast with certainty. I have to think now as the poll exists voting is fueled by forum acrobatics rather than raw interest.

 

[Stonecutter]

Based on grows of OG Kush S1's from Dr.Greenthumb and X18 from Tom Hill, I would say that the slight fuel flavour and positive body high that both have in common would indicate a common Pakistan heritage.

But I have also read a lot here and elsewhere about how the traditional Afghani #1 from sensi was not really typical of Afghan plants - its a 'heavy' selection of several afghan types.

Just my opinon.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Based on grows of OG Kush S1's from Dr.Greenthumb and X18 from Tom Hill, I would say that the slight fuel flavour and positive body high that both have in common would indicate a common Pakistan heritage.

But I have also read a lot here and elsewhere about how the traditional Afghani #1 from sensi was not really typical of Afghan plants - its a 'heavy' selection of several afghan types.

Just my opinon.

I think X18 could be a relative of the variety in question, but the potency of said herb is also in question as is the case with an average potency comparison between Pakistan and Afghanistan. I do agree that X18 is closer to what we normally associate with Afghani, but then again its an older norcal strain with a curious 1% in it and I don't think I've ever heard it referenced as a landrace.

I feel the recipe for OG KUSH probably occurs '88 - '90, by that time Afghan #1 had already landed and I feel growers in the US were working with a broader spectrum of Afghani variety by the late 80's which only amplifies your comment about Dutch farms using "several afghan types". I'm not of the mind that Netherlands had a stranglehold on Afghani genetics then or now, the strains which are anchored by their work in that respect are a bit removed from OG Kush. If we could look at those relatives though it might help and contrast contemporary strains using Afghan #1 to view any correlation with OG Kush. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't feel Afghan #1 is a point of perfection in terms of representation, but that is just breeder bias and it was done a long time ago before we had a wider view of the region's gene pool.

 

[KiefSweat]

afghan#1 is from the 70s/80s, worked from probably some hindu kush like lines, one of the reasons why people forget to differentiate between highland and lowland variety's