OG Kush heritage?

[MJtheIndicator]

I speculate the Afghan #1 was selected with future breeding in mind favoring the then current market trend skunk. When haze proved to work well with hash plants a shift began and I've always wondered if it was Afghan #1 that was used for Northern Lights.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

A good question to ask of the old-school would be, what Pakistani variety was Jim Ortega working with if he was using one in the first place? If a breeder of this caliber only began using Pakistani plants later in the game it would only pronounce the dominance of Afghani usage during the formative heyday.

 

[JetLife175]

I speculate the Afghan #1 was selected with future breeding in mind favoring the then current market trend skunk. When haze proved to work well with hash plants a shift began and I've always wondered if it was Afghan #1 that was used for Northern Lights.

The creator of the NL lines said the original seeds came from Afghani import if I'm not mistaken. Not directly related to the affie #1 line.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

The creator of the NL lines said the original seeds came from Afghani import if I'm not mistaken. Not directly related to the affie #1 line.

Yes the pool of breeders were working with Afghani genetics, but I don't have a precise timeline as to when Afghan #1 showed up and when Northern Lights #1 finally saturated the market. My guess is Afghan #1 is earlier and some might not consider anything other than NL#5 to be viable.

Nevil was working with NL circa '85. If you agree Afghani #1 is his flagship then speculation has it earlier in production than NL, so its arguable if the two are not related or share in some shape or form. Afghani 1 and Skunk 1 are relatives so its not unreasonable that whatever went into Afghani 1 was borrowed for NL being the later strain. To be fair I feel the selection of all these was culminating '80 - '85 so to say which came first might even be a blur to the breeders themselves. Would be nice to have knowledge there are two entirely different Afghani plants used for either, but the law of convenience somehow tells me they are more akin than some admit.

I agree that since NL comes from Seattle via the Indian its best to assume Afghani #1 and NL are nothing but distant cousins, but who's to say the genetics going into the alleged earlier Afghani 1 are proprietary Dutch invention? If we did a recessive comparison involving Afghani 1 and the progeny of NL in strains like G13, Big Bud, Skunk #1, Hash Plant, Haze and Swazi etc. we might see more than a few shared characteristics noticed in Afghani 1. The problem in attempting to distinguish is the thai element introduced in NL and Afghani #1 suffering homogeny. I would still love a clear back story on Afghan #1 though.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

So I've been trying to make sense of the Afghanica used by folks back in the day and any alleged relation or crossovers. I was amused to find out that Nevil seemingly isn't too thrilled with Afghani #1, but I did run across this:

Let me say one more thing about ML AfgT. This plant had exactly the same smell as Sams best SK1 but more so. It is the true Skunk archetype. I do not believe for one N.Y. minute that Afghani#1 is behind the SK1, which IMO gives credence to the Mendecino Joe story about SK1. - Nevil Schoenmakers

 

[mazar_man]

Afghani #1 anI would still love a clear back story on Afghan #1 though.

afghan#1 was passed as a seedline from Mel Frank to Sam Skunkman (ref Mel Frank pot tv episode youtube) Sam then worked it and released it under the Cultivators Choice brand in Cali early eighties and assumingly took it with him when he moved to Holland and sold it to Nevil at the seed bank. My guess is the original line came from New York or Vermont as that is where Mel Frank was from originally and he published multiple times photos of huge afghan outdoor grows in upstate new york from early eighties.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

afghan#1 was passed as a seedline from Mel Frank to Sam Skunkman (ref Mel Frank pot tv episode youtube) Sam then worked it and released it under the Cultivators Choice brand in Cali early eighties and assumingly took it with him when he moved to Holland and sold it to Nevil at the seed bank. My guess is the original line came from New York or Vermont as that is where Mel Frank was from originally and he published multiple times photos of huge afghan outdoor grows in upstate new york from early eighties.

Yes, Mel of Positronics, as he speaks of his friend who was in California at the time who he gave Durban Poison, Afghani #1, Skunk #1 and Haze. Mel states the year is '83 or '84, mentions the breeder had been working Haze. I believe the correct year would be '85.

My own confusion is in trying to understand if they were working with multiple afghanis at that time. In that quote Nevil has said he doesn't believe Afghan #1 to have anything to do with Skunk #1, but I'm going on the assumption that Sam favored working with what Mel had given him. Supposedly those Afghanis weren't so mold resistant which led to the development or search for Afghanis which might solve the issue. I wonder if this is where Dogless' work appears.

 

[Brelva]

OG is fairly crap anyway.. It tastes like its missing lots of terpenes and the buzz is incredibly boring and has a ceiling. Its a novelty strain from my perspective!

Yo this is hilarious

 

[MJtheIndicator]

My guess is the original line came from New York or Vermont as that is where Mel Frank was from originally

He has a curious photograph from Jackson County, OR 1975 which shows some rather short examples, fast and bulbous. One can also find a pic of Afghani 1 X Nigerian New York, 1982. His shot of Kush landrace, 1977, in Sierra Madre foothills looks quite like Pakistani and most telling is Mel's window sill photo of Afghani 1, San Francisco, 1980.

 

[420cloud]

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[Cannavore]

Og kush is not a strain , Its what people in cali called good herb .

not even close

 

[420cloud]

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[highsteppa]

Sure it is ... S1 of TK. One part Thai , 2 parts kush lol..

 

[foreignerabroad]

sure thats more than close . What do you mean ? It really is not a strain ..

foolishness...

 

[420cloud]

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[foreignerabroad]

O.G. Kush is not just a vague description of "kind bud"...

Have you been on the Moon or what?

 

[420cloud]

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[Chimera]

'OG kush', isn't simply 'kush'.

It's a distinct varietal with a unique terpene profile and growth structure, tall lanky and thin with little inverted strawberry sized flowers.

It's definitely not just another name for 'kind bud', or 'dro', or 'crippy'... it's a unique varietal with a recognizable scent and high level of THCA in most variants.

It is VERY terp'd out - high limonene, high myrcene and high beta-caryophyllene. If you think the nose is bland, you haven't come across a real well grown OG because it is in your face funk, and has a kick to boot. Strong herbs, not only from the high THCA produced by the plant, but also due to the combination of terps.

It may have some Pakistani or Afghani in the heritage somewhere, but OG is definitely a hybrid variety that resembles no landrace I've come across... and from growth structure and profile alone I believe the contention that there is some Thai in the background as well.... DNA testing will show more in the future, so keep your pants on until the results come in.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

It may have some Pakistani or Afghani in the heritage somewhere, but OG is definitely a hybrid variety that resembles no landrace I've come across... and from growth structure and profile alone I believe the contention that there is some Thai in the background as well.... DNA testing will show more in the future, so keep your pants on until the results come in.

The limonene and structure of flower sites do support thai hypothetically. What I want to ask you Chimera is if you noticed any hybrids prior to OG Kush having similar flower behavior or do you feel OG is the first we have ever seen regarding design?

 

[soopy]

^^^thats the question right there.... I would like to know too. Nevil claims to have come across the "diesel/fuel" expressions when he was in A'dam from the A5 line I believe. OG, to me, seems like the result of a concerted breeding effort to put hard hitting, hashy indica buds all over a giant sativa frame....and as the S# generations seem to show very little variation, I'd assume it was worked for quite a while...fwiw.

Much respect Chimera, thank you for all you have done for our plant...