OG Kush heritage?

[MJtheIndicator]

Yup and when you read old descriptions on some g13 and hybrids they sound a lot like lanky 10 week ogs.

I get the indica to skunk theory and agree a G13 could resemble a Pakistani variety on a good day, but to be fair even Skunk1 was "diluted", so indica as an anchor is nothing new. Even though Sam's skunk has an Afghani quotient I don't see the relative in modern OG, I wouldn't really say a Hindu Kush from the 80's via the Dutch has much to do with modern OG either, but I would agree Nederlander selection towards Maple Leaf structurally minus the flavor profile is relative.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

In 1979 I loved Rush, The Police and Devo

In 1979 I loved Rush, The Police and Devo

In 1980 it came from his buddy who went to Afghanistan in 1977 and met locals and came back with these special seeds.

The west coast Affie might go back by at least '76 or further considering American presence in Afghanistan through the 60's to '78. Nonetheless, its helpful to know the east coast is experiencing a darker variety in the ideal latitude of ME circa '79. Info like this compounds my skepticism regarding just how many breeders or rather growers back then were holding much of anything from Pakistan proper.

 

[bigherb]

The Afghanica variety /BLD has always interest me . The Affie/La Con terpene profile an Hashplant profile is somthing complex and special . I actually thought the La Con was reminscent of Diesel aka Chemdawg


I think the SCMK an Affie is representative of these type BLD .I agree with relic i could see there is possible relation to OG .Which brings me back to a BLD Affie/Hasplant x Thai possibility of the origins . The True OG is a weak yielder an has extreme trich production similar to the two BLD mentioned .

I recall talk of the Afghani NLD /sativa hashplants being used for the Highest quality hash of yesteryear . The story i recall is that when the demand rose from outside influence the WLD were incorporated . From a view that sativas arent abundant trich producers the story is lacking but i dont know what a Afghani sativa Hp looks like an you can imagine the amount of plants they once grew .


The idea of SE asian seed makin its way to Afghanistan an evolving into hashplant OG type is a possibility ive pondered .RCC has a new book Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany . I havnt read it or bought it buts its on my Xmas list ,im sure it has some insight into this subject

Im curious what Sams thinks of the Genetics of OG kush .I know he's a NLD lover but his knowledge an experience could shed some light . Seems like the gene mapping is being worked an this will all soon come to light

Proof in the video below PURE Affie's are alive an well .Also that they grow vigorously an well above 5 ft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ZXaHSqkm0


1luvbigherb

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Which brings me back to a BLD Affie/Hasplant x Thai possibility of the origins . The True OG is a weak yielder an has extreme trich production similar to the two BLD mentioned .

I recall talk of the Afghani NLD /sativa hashplants being used for the Highest quality hash of yesteryear . The story i recall is that when the demand rose from outside influence the WLD were incorporated . From a view that sativas arent abundant trich producers the story is lacking but i dont know what a Afghani sativa Hp looks like an you can imagine the amount of plants they once grew .

The idea of SE asian seed makin its way to Afghanistan an evolving into hashplant OG type is a possibility ive pondered .RCC has a new book Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany . I havnt read it or bought it buts its on my Xmas list ,im sure it has some insight into this subject

Im curious what Sams thinks of the Genetics of OG kush .I know he's a NLD lover but his knowledge an experience could shed some light . Seems like the gene mapping is being worked an this will all soon come to light

Via Pbud Chem's origin is placed in Colorado from Dog bud and there is chance of the stock coming out of California. I can see late 80's growers in the low desert producing a robust thai variant. That environment would seem to choke a 100+ day plant into survival mode with exponential trichome result. I do agree rumor of sativa lacking trichome production is a misnomer. However if the claim components of OG Kush, Chem or otherwise are coming out of the high desert I become skeptical.

I'm one of the believers Afghani is a migrant variety finding its way through the Himalaya from Central Asia, I also suspect more than environment and fauna are responsible if you consider cannabis tends to follow human migratory routes.

Sam's genetic efforts will be exciting regarding landrace and arcane varieties, but as regards OG Kush the data might be far removed besides as Sam puts it you can't seek ancestral traits of modern hybrid without a broad map of landraces first.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Via Pbud Chem's origin is placed in Colorado from Dog bud and there is chance of the stock coming out of California. I can see late 80's growers in the low desert producing a robust thai variant. That environment would seem to choke a 100+ day plant into survival mode with exponential trichome result. I do agree rumor of sativa lacking trichome production is a misnomer. However if the claim components of OG Kush, Chem or otherwise are coming out of the high desert I become skeptical.

I'm one of the believers Afghani is a migrant variety finding its way through the Himalaya from Central Asia, I also suspect more than environment and fauna are responsible if you consider cannabis tends to follow human migratory routes.

Sam's genetic efforts will be exciting regarding landrace and arcane varieties, but as regards OG Kush the data might be far removed besides as Sam puts it you can't seek ancestral traits of modern hybrid without a broad map of landraces first.

just to rectify, Chemdog AKA Dogbud comes from Oregon/CA border according to SC who sold the buds to P in CO.

The dude who brought the cut known as Ghost today, brought it from The swamp to CA back in 1996. He later pass the cut to orgnkid, the kid is first one to show OG online back in 2004, if I remember right.

This cut was selected from bag seeds in 1991 in the swamp. TK is probably from around 1988, Big Ricky got it in 1992, and guess where it come from? The swamp again. The tag "OG Kush" come from CA, thats for sure, although the origine of the tag is still unkown, many stories but which one is the real one? Hard to tell.

Just to specify, TK was a breeding project done by some old school cats in the swamp, anyone that have run real deal TK, will swear its the first OG ever. What happen to the other seeds of this project, no one knows unfortunately.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

The modern iteration of OG is far from bagseed, there are obvious components which do look exactly like what an early '90s breeder would conjure. Chem Dawg and Bubba make sense and I haven't really been as curious about their Central Asian elements. I can't admit Triangle and the Ghost cut look similiar. If I were to guess which looks like the earlier and less developed breeding ideal it would be Triangle, the pistil formation indicates a less desirable and average effort compared to the uniformity we would get out of OG later in the 90's.

 

[PrimalHaze]

Proof in the video below PURE Affie's are alive an well .Also that they grow vigorously an well above 5 ft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ZXaHSqkm0


1luvbigherb

Have you seen this one BigHerb? Purple affies as far as the eye can see...

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Ever since I've been online and reading about OG kush... the story I remember is the Chemdog X (Lemon Thai X Paki). it was supposedly lemon pinesol like

But that doesn't jive with the current florida boys' story. That came from bagseed. And... I don't think it was claimed to be lemon pinesol in smell, but dank nonetheless.

And then Dave Richards is saying the boys in Florida most likely got Frank Gegax's products that they called Kryptonite. His version would be something like Ottoman posted.... Afghan x thai x hash plant. But... I thought I remember Dave saying something about Crippy being big bud/skunk/nl or something like that.... bad memory maybe he was talking about the Chronic lol

But that also doesn't mean that the guys in cali didn't cross the chem and thai and paki and called it og kush also. If Chemdog X (Lemon Thai X Paki) isn't the recipe it sure sounds like a good place to look.

As far as hashplants...can somebody tell me the main phenotypical differences between afghan vs. pakistan vs. moroccan vs. lebanese? Thanks!

-pH

 

[WelderDan]

Two things almost all of these origin stories have in common: (1) It started out as unknown Bag seed. (2) Almost all the stories claim it was pollinated by a herm, or it hermed and pollinated something else.

Until someone does some genetic testing, it's all just unknown bag seed and everything else is speculation.

I've heard 5 different stories, and 5 different claims regarding who found/made it. And even more speculation. Let's wait and see what science says.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Chem x Thai X Pakistan? I'm not convinced you wind up with something resembling OG... 80's skunk x Afghanica x Thai x Chem? Starts to sound believable, if we call the bagseed random skunk in the previous recipe it could result as OG.

 

[bigherb]

Sup PH

I've seen the video , it's a bigger grow an beautiful representation of preserved genetics but the plants aren't as impressive IMO as the link I posted . Similar to grows of today lol

The lemon Thai x old world paki story never sounded right to me . The idea of skunk in OG kush I think is way off

Citrus traits in Thai I've heard commonly mentioned . But thai varieties are not thoroughly documented . Anyhow the idea of a hashplant/Affie Thai crossed is something I've been pondering . I imagined true Thai would contribute long flowering extreme stretch and height issues .

But there are not many Affie x thai hybrids to judge from . Off the top I can think of dj short bluemoonshine which has similar traits to OG kush . Also the other hybrid is hashplant haze from Nevil a Thai Dom haze parent crossed directly to hashplant .

The hashplant / Affie genetics in both mentioned hybrids is dominant in many traits . My point or thought is the Thai can be contained in its extreme qualities but still contribute


1luvbigherb

 

[MJtheIndicator]

The idea of skunk in OG kush I think is way off

Yes on the surface it sounds like bullshit to me too, but when you consider most of these stories coalesce around bagseed '91, the probability of skunk finding its way into most product on the street in that era is rather high.

 

[PrimalHaze]

Sup PH

I've seen the video , it's a bigger grow an beautiful representation of preserved genetics but the plants aren't as impressive IMO as the link I posted . Similar to grows of today lol

The lemon Thai x old world paki story never sounded right to me . The idea of skunk in OG kush I think is way off

Citrus traits in Thai I've heard commonly mentioned . But thai varieties are not thoroughly documented . Anyhow the idea of a hashplant/Affie Thai crossed is something I've been pondering . I imagined true Thai would contribute long flowering extreme stretch and height issues .

But there are not many Affie x thai hybrids to judge from . Off the top I can think of dj short bluemoonshine which has similar traits to OG kush . Also the other hybrid is hashplant haze from Nevil a Thai Dom haze parent crossed directly to hashplant .

The hashplant / Affie genetics in both mentioned hybrids is dominant in many traits . My point or thought is the Thai can be contained in its extreme qualities but still contribute


1luvbigherb

yeah the plants in those backyard compounds are much nicer for sure. that field grow must've been planted later in the season to have such short plants. Alot of those little plants remind me of bubba kush.

That chemdog x (lemon thai/paki) story is from 93 so I don't think it would be the original. But that doesn't mean that that those guys didn't make that cross and call it OG, it's just not the original kush.

From my perspective I don't know if the bagseed from Matt in florida that went to OrgnKid and then on to Dunn and so on.... is the real deal, but it sounds dank and that's the cut I would want to smoke.

....I could just be getting sucked into this gigantic spinning vortex of OG hype somebody put me out of my misery and pass me tha danklol

-pH

 

[NEGT1]

Two things almost all of these origin stories have in common: (1) It started out as unknown Bag seed. (2) Almost all the stories claim it was pollinated by a herm, or it hermed and pollinated something else.

Until someone does some genetic testing, it's all just unknown bag seed and everything else is speculation.

I've heard 5 different stories, and 5 different claims regarding who found/made it. And even more speculation. Let's wait and see what science says.

The thing is, even with genetic testing, the human aspect in terms of sourcing and verifying is more important and in this particular case is where the issue actually is....so it's still going to be hard...

Simply put. After you test 20 cuts of OG, you still can't tell which once was the original...or it's still very, very unlikely you'll be able to tell which is the original. You can verify if they are all similar, and what may not be an OG, but DNA poses no lineage or historic information unless it can be tied to real life events...

If we definitively knew which was the original then you could have a much easier time telling which ones aren't closely related, but unless we have proper sourcing, it's a crap shoot.

 

[NEGT1]

I also wonder this.

What are the chances a mutant hermie/s1 would produce such dominant traits? Have we determined if the original is a mutant?

 

[VerdantGreen]

S1's are inbred so each S generation will be homozygous/dominant for more traits than it's parent.

 

[Mate Dave]

S1's are inbred so each S generation will be homozygous/dominant for more traits than it's parent.

Exactly so, but it too will also increase all the recessive negative traits to a point that they cannot be removed.

 

[Mate Dave]

I also wonder this.

What are the chances a mutant hermie/s1 would produce such dominant traits? Have we determined if the original is a mutant?

There is a certainty that THIS mutant shitty plant will degrade the offspring and impede the progress of the lines potential.

 

[Mate Dave]

Ive not grown a pure Og but the OGKA will herm easily and will do so late in flower!

I look at it like this, the dude who made it hadn't a clue what he was doing.

Take cheese for an example, its as straight as an arrow!!

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

Ive not grown a pure Og but the OGKA will herm easily and will do so late in flower!

I look at it like this, the dude who made it hadn't a clue what he was doing.

Take cheese for an example, its as straight as an arrow!!

I always figured someone won the bagseed lottery on OG Kush. That is probably why the lineage is 100% speculation.

I always dedicate a small amount of my trial plant space to checking out bagseeds from amazing herbs, you never know. I like to spread my chips out a little in this game.

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

Ive not grown a pure Og but the OGKA will herm easily and will do so late in flower!

I look at it like this, the dude who made it hadn't a clue what he was doing.

Take cheese for an example, its as straight as an arrow!!

Haha I quoted you the first time because I was going to agree with you the Cheese is a great plant and does seem more refined than OGs.
Then I forgot to type that in my first post .

I will go smoke another now.