OG Kush heritage?

[shishkaboy]

The same way a set of parents can have two completely different looking offspring and yet they still have a mix of the parents genetics. The word "chance" is used a lot in this area of bio as well as probabilities.


About the Flamingo question, no. They may have all white or all pink or half or a variation of. This reminds me of Mendels principles of genetics. If you're interested there's a lot of info online/tube that breaks it down very easily.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/mendel/mendel_1.html

Are you talking about the offspring after crossing a pink with a white? My very limited understanding leads me to believe that is a totally different situation.
Pink and white flamingos are the same bird. Just different food causing pigmentation. Text book phenotypical expressions based on environment.

GG4 is still pretty new in the terms of genetics. give her 15 years and then look at the differences the plant produces..

The the cuts will both be purple as they are the same exact geneotype so yes they would both be purple in your environment, now if it was a sister plant then the genetic makeup would be slightly different match of genes thus not allowing the hormone that causes the purple to become concentrated enough to express. (dont really see what your trying to ask with that situation)

Its nature. Phenotype = Genotype + Enviroment.. change a variable (the enviroment) you change the end result ( your pheno) a phenotype appeals to the senses.. a plant only looks and smells a certain way because thats how it expresses itself due to environmental factors.. The same reason if you take a high alkaloid producing Coco plant from Peru and cultivated it here your yields would fall through the bottom. The alkaloid extracted to make the cocaine paste is only a narcotic producing plant because of its environment. This is also why Hemp grows in some places and Marijuana grows in others.The environment in which the cannabis plant grew in determined if it was a drug producing strain or not. Humans just did an excellent job of spreading the Narcotic Effect


LOL not sure about flamingos... never caught my interests

Wait are we talking about sister plants or multiple cuts being the same genotype that have mutated over time?

So as the gg4 grows older in all these different environments each grower will inevitably be mutating the cut little by little. Leading to a few different gg4 phenos, like og kush? Does it take the whole 15 years? When will we start to see the differences?

From what I understand the 2 examples I mentioned are both examples of the same genotype in different environments giving different phenos, and in each example when both of the organisms share the same environment, they give the same pheno.

I use the flamingo example quite because imo its a really good way to show genotype vs phenotype.

If a grower decides to not give their glue any nutes during its life cycle, of course its going to look different that the one that got fed a balanced diet. Instead of looking at that as a new pheno, I see a plant that has not reached its genetic potential.

Please correct me if I am wrong in my thinking.

 

[gh0st9]

OG's are mutants, something went wrong in a good way.... Same with the chem fam.... Hp13 is a leb paki ghani , 3 way hash plant from nor cal circa late 70's , made its way to east coast and Hawaii , sssc and ssc be the used these strains and a couple others m39 , skunk , hash plant/hp13 , NL , silver pearl , ect , just because some guys in Florida found bag seeds doesn't means other didn't aswell... Matt bubba said him self bubba seeds came from weed from nor cali....
Can any one on IC show me a thread with og in Florida that predates kromes TK? Kromes mentions on IC IN 2007 TK and talks about hows theres no proper og in florida like west coasts at that time .... And kromes TK is not even an og , I'm wondering why Fuji called his 91 bad seed og TK after kromes pre dates it .... At least were it can be documented.... Either wasy they have no idea what parents are so you can only replicate it ,, not improve it or recharge it so to say..... I think I chem and og are closer related and SD is to chem... Just my wierdo opinion.....

I remember reading that Ricky showed off the tk back on overgrow, he had a few handles before coming to icmag.. Nspecta and a few others knows the details...

 

[Cabron]

Then why is my verified ghost og cut different from my verified sfv? I have the same sfv swerve was selling clones of sometime around 2006, and it is definitely not the same thing as the ghost, which doesn't make sense according to what your saying, because the sfv cut predates the ghost cut, so if the ghost cut is just og, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two. In veg they look like twins, I'll give you that. But once you flip them, it becomes quite clear by both terpenes and structure that they are very different. Someone who hasn't grown either would say they're the same plant, but when you work with them both its obvious. Also they test consistently different in thc % and cannabinoids, with the ghost usually testing higher. Seems like if larry, sfv, and tahoe are supposedly the same cuts, and are the earliest three nicknamed cuts, that the ghost would also be the same thing. Tahoe, sfv, and Larry are all definitely different cuts, and the ghost is most certainly different. Idk about the skva story, but I was going under the assumption that skva was the screen name used by chemdawg. At one point I knew the real name of the guy who called himself chemdawg and got locked up, but i forgot, along with a lot of other stuff that also doesn't really affect me. Thanks for the info docta, I love hearing from those more informed than myself. But I still gotta disagree that ghost is the original renamed, the node spacing is too tight. It wont stack but the golf balls form awfully close together for a pure og

That's because your supposed "VERIFIED" cuts are NOT verified in any way ..

Just because you have them from Genotype A doesn't mean shit ..

They are pawning off the skywalker OG cut they have as the real deal...well it's not !


The skywalker cut they have looks like a bubba F1 ....it sure as fuk isn't an OG . nor is it skywalker ...

In this hobby there is no verified cut unless it's cut from the actual P1 mother and is witnessed by a
notary as far as I'm concerned..

documented chain of custody protocols.....


Think about it ! Verified in this hobby is absolutely laughable....


Verified is subjective !

 

[LostTribe]

According to David Richards the Original OG was a varietal created with Lebanese, Hashplant and Afghani. But really I dont believe dat dude. Sorry adam dunn he just seems shady to me....

 

[Nughugger]

I grow large poupulations of afghani plants pure not out crossed. One out of every 30 to40 plants finish out to have og qualities terps structure. From my view afghani x Thai must be in the og. And who knows what else I'm just thankful we have og it's a great line of cannibis

 

[KulaKush]

While we can't use claims on bulletin boards to back up the origins of the true OG Kush. We can use logic and also study the history on how marijuana got started in California. While there are 2 main types of marijuana (Indica & Sativa) you got to wonder where did they originate? You never hear old hippies from the 60's and 70's talk about an actual native California strain. The origins of Sativa strains come from tropical, hotter more humid types of environments like Thailand. And the origins of Indica's come from dryer climates like Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I have a friends who has been growing bud here in our local Cali mountains of socal since the early 70's and when I first showed him my OG Kush cut his eyes lit up… and he knew right away the true origins of the OG strain. The obvious its a saliva-Indica Hybrid with slightly tilted on the Sativa side. The first thing he said to me was that it reminded him of the thai-sticks…he smelled it and tasted it in the bud. It's obviously has to be a sativa/indica hybrid to survive in the climate that we live in here in So. Cali. Below is some research by an accredited source.

By Rick Pfrommer, Director of Education, Harborside Health Center

Original landrace and other heirloom strains are often lost in today’s hyperkinetic world of breeding. ‘Landrace’ refers to strains that are indigenous to an area, such as Red Congolese. ‘Heirlooms’ are strains that were collected worldwide during the 1970s and propagated in Hawaii and Northern California. Our constant desire for new strains leads breeders to continually cross and re-cross existing strains looking for the next big thing. There is, however, a small but growing contingent of cultivators who’re returning to our cannabis roots and propagating old landrace and heirloom strains. Varieties range from pure African sativas to Afghani indicas, collected by world travelers on the infamous Hippie Trail (also referred to as the “Hashish Trail”).

All during the 1970s and early 1980s, cannabis aficionados of all stripes traveled the world smoking the finest cannabis and hashish available. From Nepalese temple balls to the famed Mazar-i-Sharif Afghani Black, the Hashish Trail was filled with exotic delights. The trail rolls on through Lebanese Red to Moroccan Kif, with stops in Bangkok for Chocolate Thai, and Columbia and Mexico for their infamous golden strains. Many of these intrepid souls also collected seeds during their travels. It was these landrace strains that became the basis for the nascent cultivation culture that eventually sprang forth in both Hawaii and Northern California.

Talk with any cannabis connoisseur old enough to remember these legendary strains and you’ll come away with tales of their epic strength. Equatorial sativas from Africa to Vietnam flourished in Hawaii’s tropical dreamscape of cannabis cultivation. Indicas from Afghanistan were more at home in Northern California’s cooler climate. I was fortunate enough to live on the Big Island of Hawaii from 1993 to 1997, and I can attest that the best cannabis I have EVER smoked was grown in volcanic soil on the slopes of the largest active volcano in the world, Mauna Loa. By the time I got there almost everything grown in Hawaii was some combination of genetics, no longer a landrace. Yet a few of the old-timers still had access to the classic ’70s strains, making for a wonderfully unique and diverse smoking experience.

From Nepalese temple balls to the famed Mazar-i-Sharif Afghani Black, the Hashish Trail was filled with exotic delights.

The scene in California at this time was slightly different. Northern California, as beautiful as it is, ain’t Hawaii. The Emerald Triangle rests approximately on the same parallel as Afghanistan and the Hindu Kush mountains. While Southern Californians could grow Columbian and Mexican sativas, their northern counterparts found the stocky indica plants much better adapted for their climate. Shorter flowering time allowed harvest to occur before the fall rains came with their mold-inducing downpours. These short and chunky plants produced the infamous skunkweed that became Northern California’s calling card. Again, anyone old enough to remember this cannabis will never forget the pungent, almost rancid, skunk-like aroma. I remember going to parties in the early ’80s with this herb double-bagged-and still being outed minutes after walking in. “Yo man, I know you’re holding, share the love!” Our own Steve DeAngelo also has memories of this era, saying that to this day he’s not seen cannabis like what he saw from Northen California in the late ’70s and early ’80s.


As you can see… all these names chemdawg, OG, Sour Diesel blah, blah blah…. had to have come from the tropics or the deserts and they are all hybrids of these 2 types. In the 70's and 80's people were growing outdoors and a sole indica or sole sativa will not do well in our So cal environment. It was in the mid to late eighties when cannabis connoisseurs across the so cal where coming up with these saliva-indica crosses to accomodate for So Cal's climate and it's within these crosses of thai and afghani that were happening in the late 80's where OG Kush probably came from. He used to have this strain that he called convalescent and it he says it was very similar to OG Kush. And he had crossed an original purple afghani seed with an original lemon thai. I've showed him both the real Skywalker OG and the OG kush I got from my buddy in the music industry who got it from the Breal crew. While I can't really tell the difference by looking at them with the naked eye he was able to point to me certain things where I can now tell the difference between them 2. The leafs of my og kush are what he call "more leathery" referring to thicker in texture and the natural leaf shine that it displays he calls it has the kermit the frog look. He gives both of them an A+ grade but puts a slight edge on my OG for having a better smell and a lot more richness in flavor. I also feel the same way having smoked both.

This whole story of the chemdawg bag seed junk sounds promising at first but can be easily debunked with some accurate history and logic. Not to say that the story may not be true but it does go back to the same time when my friend who gave it told me the story of where his crew first acquired the original cut. Maybe they did find a stress seed from a bag and went on to create all those other OG strains that we hear of…Nevertheless, these are my facts.

Nowadays you can really only find 2 OG's in the market. The commercial OG like Larry and all the other Og's that come in seed form and the real OG Kush sativa dominant cuts that is more flimsy and delicate looking. Which would look like the Skywalker OG but with the real taste and an earthy piney smell not that over grown shit that has the looks but no true substance within the high. This is what you see all over the place now. These days I wouldn't give out these strain to anybody but the friends within my circle. It's really the only ace in the bag we have left as true OG kush growers who hold the original strains. The collectives that picks up my OG's in the San Fernando Valley now call it the PR. They've had to put a 1 1/8th per week cap on patients because it's sold before it's grown. Luckily anybody who came across a true OG clone probably lost it to spider mites or some disease and was never able to express it to its full potential. And also not being able to clone the plant correctly. They've all moved to growing the easier commercial OG shit that you see all over the place these days because they probably fucked up the plant. It's a super tricky, sensitive and finicky plant that requires expert knowledge and experience to grow it right to pull weight with quality. If you don't know how to Grow it then you will get super low yields and sub-par brownish looking product. But if you figure out her secrete then she can perform like the winner that she is. To grow it right hydroponically with rockwool you must peak with your nutes by week 4 and slowly bring it down to week 9 or 10 without using any PGR's no phosphoload or any of that crap that gets you more weight but you sacrifice the quality. You slowly bring her down and start to see the nice green leaves you had by week 4 turn pale yellow at the end. Then and only then will you get the best flavor and taste. And as far as nutes you gotta go with the old school recipe. The Super Nutrients SBA and SBB. using monster bloom, big bud and over drive. Carbo load, Pro Silicate and B-52, Hygrozyme can help enhance smell and taste.

I gotta say though since I've been messing with gavitas, I have not been able to get that same flavor, taste that I pull from digital ballast but the weight has gone up. You can do up to 3 lbs a light with gavitas but I haven't figured out how to get it to come out like it does under the old school hoods digital ballast method. Anyone have the same issues? Looking to get input from the real OG kush growers here.

 

[KulaKush]

By the way just cause I've only posted a few times on this Icmag forum does not mean that I don't know my shit. I'm just too busy managing commercial grows that I occasionally chime in to see what people are saying about OG Kush these days. I'm from the San Fernando valley where OG Kush became famous from and I can vouche for all my buddies within my crew and circle that have the real deal. If you don't believe me come down to so cal and try my OG Kush

 

[rykus]

Don't have the OG, but had it labelled hash plant in 2000-2001 in BC Canada.... same exact leaves and growth, same memorable stone....miss her dearly, lol...

anyways, gavitas make more infra red heat, like the sauna's, so the heat the cell from the inside... in effect, this leads you to believe your room temps are on point.... but the reality is the cell internally is to warm and looses that killer cake and colour you got with less intense traditional lighting...

get a lazer heat gun and check your leaf temps... balance between running room a few degrees cooler and raising lights a c hair ll get ya smiling in no time.

cheers

 

[KulaKush]

Don't have the OG, but had it labelled hash plant in 2000-2001 in BC Canada.... same exact leaves and growth, same memorable stone....miss her dearly, lol...

anyways, gavitas make more infra red heat, like the sauna's, so the heat the cell from the inside... in effect, this leads you to believe your room temps are on point.... but the reality is the cell internally is to warm and looses that killer cake and colour you got with less intense traditional lighting...

get a lazer heat gun and check your leaf temps... balance between running room a few degrees cooler and raising lights a c hair ll get ya smiling in no time.

cheers

Thanks for the tip, I will try this out and see what happens. I'll get a laser heat and gun and compare it my other spot with digital hoods to see if there it a difference like you say.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

I believe Kailua Kid from Sierra Seed Company. His story of how OG Kush came about, and his strain pictures, and how OG Kush and Chemdog 91' look alike and smell alike are enough of for me. OG is Chemdog 91' crossed with a lemon Thai/old world Pakistan landrace male. Bubba Kush is a Humbolt county Indica male cross with Chemdog 91' then this cross was back crossed twice. Making the genetics 1/4 Humboldt county Indica and 3/4 Chemdog 91'. Then this bx3 cross was named West Coast Dog and this clone was crossed with Kailua Kid's Old World Paki male and then a male from this cross was crossed to the Original OG Kush cut, and this is Bubba Kush. This is not my story this is Kailua Kid's and you can find it online in his own words with dates and the names of the people who were involved.

 

[ThaDocta]

^^^ That story is 100% verified bullshit. I knew "John" and his partner Kailua Kid at brothel brothers seed bank, the company they started before Kailua started Sierra Seed Company. John made that story up out of thin air. It's complete bullshit, and people need to stop repeating, perpetuating, and believing that SHIT.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

So where do you think Og Kush came from? And how do you explain the similarities between Og Kush and Chemdog 91' and lemon Thai, especially Chemdog 91'?

 

[rykus]

Ummm , hmmm , weeeellllll as a person that has grown out land race Afgani hash seeds from 79-81 era, I can tell you strait up that the bubba is most likely either straight up old land race or very close to it..... I got pheno's all through the purple kush to the bubba pheno expression...

Even the best respected and oldest tales of both Chem and OG admit that the varieties where selected out of bag seed from kills, both shipped in from out of town which leads me to believe almost zero of any back story... Especially the source states of original production...

That being said, after growing commercially for 20+ years and seeing many of the elite clones that circulate through out North America I came to a few conclusions.

1 most commercial varieties either came from bikers or hippies..., lol biker folk generally IMO bred the last best commercial variety to the next based on desired traits... Ie skunk weed in the 80's because they needed weed that did well under light, crossed with a low smell varieties in the late 80's early 90's to lower the smell and up crystal content once the anti indoor campaigne raged through NA, sighting humidity and a terrible skunk odour as signals of underground illegal grows.this became the hash plant that dominated from the mid ninety's all the way until mid 2000's when lightning sentNcing and increased demand brought about the lighter green stinkier frostier varieties like bubba ect...

Might be way off base, but IMO the hippy varieties built up in smaller community style sub groups like train wreck and time warp, where as the bikers spread the bread winners far and wide under many different names based on demand and availability...

Also IMO most of the bag seed more than likely came from the biker side, mostly because the sheer volume produced during those crazy prohibition years... Really it was organized groups that used their $ to tip the balance on risk vs reward and pumped out 90% of the volume during those years(they also ran the big cutting factories)

Just my opinion, but yeah, most of those stories make less sense to me than the beliefs of scientologists, lol but hey, good luck with that. TheBx tells no lies.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

This is Katsu's Bubba Kush clone compared to the West Coast Dog clone, in a picture collage. P.s. these are not my pictures.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

This is Ogstradamus' Bubba Kush clone compared to the West Coast Dog clone. Once again these are not my pictures.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

This is Organkid's Bubba Kush clone compared to the West Coast Dog clone.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

This is Swerve's Pre-98' Bubba Kush clone compared to the West Coast Dog clone.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

The first picture is the Larry OG clone compared to the Chemdog 91' Skunk VA clone. The rest of the pictures are the SFV OG Kush clone compared to the Chemdog 91' Skunk VA. See the similarities between the OGs and the Chemdog? Judge for yourselves people. And please let me know what you think.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

This is Josh D's OG Kush clone compared to the Chemdog 91' Skunk VA clone. Look at the caylx structure and color. The leaf patterns and color and the stigma color.

 

[Kush_Kloud]

Lastly this is the Chemdog 91' Skunk VA clone compared to the West Coast Dog clone. Remember the West Coast Dog is the Humbolt county Indica male and Chemdog 91' female clone, crossed back to the Chemdog 91' twice making it 1/4 Humboldt county indica genetics theoretically and 3/4 Chemdog 91' genetics theoretically. Look at the shiny leathery leaves between he two, and look at the bud structure and stigma color. Let me know what y'all think.

KK