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RetroGrow

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atheists attack religion.ive heard this from atheists themselves.

Besides being generally confused, you are confusing atheism with anti-theism. The real facts are that so called religious people are now and always have been killing atheists. See Islam today and in the past. Atheist?
DEATH!
See the inquisition. Atheist? Burned alive @ the stake after being tortured by "religious" people.
In Muslim countries, atheists or anti-theists are killed on the spot.
Atheists & anti-theists are hated by "religious" people, because religious people can't deal with the logic and rational of anyone who challenges their superstitions.
 

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Pioneering trials using man-made DNA

Pioneering trials using man-made DNA

This is HUGE. Man made DNA, used to immunize us against all disease. Take that, gods & creationists:

Pioneering trials using man-made DNA begin in battle against cancer, ebola, flu and HIV with scientists saying the treatment could be the key to defeating them

Experts have discovered how to create DNA strands that mimic diseases
They will inject them into patients so immune system eliminates the threat
The researchers at Invio have begun trials in humans, after strong lab results.

Pioneering new treatments for flu, ebola and cancer are being developed by scientists using man-made DNA.

Experts have worked out how to create strands of artificial DNA, each mimicking a different killer disease, and inject them into patients.

The idea is that the patients' immune systems will then be able to recognise the threats and eliminate them.

He said the approach could also be used to fight a range of cancers by teaching cells to recognise a protein found in 85 per cent of cancers called hTERT.

He believes that this method could even lead to the development of what he called a 'universal cancer therapy'.

Dr Kim added: 'We are at the front edge of a new wave of medicine that will change the way that cancer is treated. New approaches will lead to better, safer treatment of patients who are stricken with cancer.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ists-saying-treatment-key-defeating-them.html
 

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Besides being generally confused, you are confusing atheism with anti-theism. The real facts are that so called religious people are now and always have been killing atheists. See Islam today and in the past. Atheist?
DEATH!
See the inquisition. Atheist? Burned alive @ the stake after being tortured by "religious" people.
In Muslim countries, atheists or anti-theists are killed on the spot.
Atheists & anti-theists are hated by "religious" people, because religious people can't deal with the logic and rational of anyone who challenges their superstitions.

still using Islamic radicals & ancient history to smear all religions & religious people, i see. "are hated by religious people"- i feel sorry for you, living in a land of delusion. it must be a sad life indeed, smearing other people in order to feel relevant and have a purpose. victimhood does not become you. i deal quite easily with you because you use no logic, and have no facts at your disposal. prejudices you have plenty of. your only "rationale" is that because you have no religion, and you feel superior, then all religious folks MUST be inferior and hate you because they "cannot see the light" as you think you do.:biggrin: yeah, that must be it...:)
 

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Sure it does. This is saying you can't come unto the Father, (Go to heaven) unless you believe in Jesus. Some religions take it a step farther by saying you also need to be baptized.

Short on time so if you need more distinct proofs (scripture vs scripture) let me know I will dig them up.

I explained that people need to use multiple perspectives to understand the bible (and any dogmatic text).

This is a classic example of entanglement, and since you were specific I can answer specifically. This is not a critique, maybe scrutinizing ideas under multiple criteria is difficult. It has always seemed to come natural to me (at least in the years I recall).

You took the words of the prophet John, out of context.

John was in the wilderness preaching to those who already recognized God and he was preparing them for the messiah.

If he were preaching to a godless people, the term father would not equate to a heavenly creator, it would have no meaning to them, but because they did not use God's name but father back then, such as "abba father" God was already known to those he spoke to.

Jesus was sent in those days because most everyone claiming to be of God were corrupt, and because all those people Jews, Pharisees, etc. They claimed to be of God but they did not know Christ. Now remember, Christ is in a nutshell the physical incarnation of God's perfect love (humanitarian conscientious love). They knew the God of old, whose aspects mirrored those of our more base nature. (now this can lead into many other discussions so I will leave that here and move on)

The way to proof Christianity is not against the old testament, not the prohpets, but the words of Christ himself, who spoke not just regionally but of God's law universal since he was God incarnate.

Remember what you quoted as John saying, because this is congruent with his prophecy.

You cannot know the father but through the son, so congruency with Christ directly is knowing the son, which is knowing the father.

Now, let us examine some simple things Christ said, now I don't have time for exactness and I know there are catholic school atheists (always the biggest proponents against religion lol) and christians alike who can flesh this one out in detail.

I tell you this, anyone who gives their life for another will inherit the kingdom of God. (You don't have to die, dedication to humanitarian cause is the same sacrifice)

These simple things you do, love your neighbor as you do yourself, and love God (the whole of the world outside of yourself) and you will know me (it might be know God or inherit the kingdom of God)

The story of Christ at the well with the witch is another example, and the gospels, most especially Paul's testify to Christ's nature in this way.

I am really short on time or I would try to get into more depth but I am no bible scholar, I did have my own interpretive meaning, have discussed it with many people including theologians and feel comfortable that my interpretation doesn't deviate from what is considered by the devote the basic interpretation.

My reference was more like for some Buddhist or monk of some other belief that lived a selfless life helping others when he can. According to the Christian faith he's not going to heaven even though he's exhibited Christian like values and morals all his life.

I believe that if there is a god that will one day judge us them the judgment will be based on what's in your heart not what church you belong to or which belief set you ascribe to.

I agree 110% and one of the things that turns me off to main stream Christianity is that if I ask someone a question who is Christian and intellectually qualified by life status to have a logical conclusion about the same thing, what happens to people who never were introduced to God, I hear, I don't know. Basically apathy.

If you read the bible cover to cover the "righteous" man outside of the notion of God does exist.

If we look at the causation that happens in our being when we live according to Christ, regardless of belief of God, we get the same humanitarian responses, the same boundless joy, and our we yield the same benefits.

The other religions believe in ascension/reconciliation as well, and while their takes are different, the basic interpretation is the same.

Now God says reserve judgement for him and to love everyone you might be neighbors with as if they were yourself. With the internet and technology, we have exponentially more "neighbors".

Christ made it clear the ascension was based on things like dedication and love, regardless of the power of belief.

Is it so hard to love humanity and the concept that we are all created equally? Because that sums it up.

Enjoy the rest of hte weekend
 

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Accelerating Universe? Not So Fast
By Daniel Stolte, University Relations – Communications | April 10, 2015



This Swift UVOT image shows galaxy M82 before the explosion and combines data acquired between 2007 and 2013. Mid-ultraviolet light is shown in blue, near-UV light in green and visible light in red. The image is 17 arcminutes across, or slightly more than half the apparent diameter of a full moon. (Credit: NASA/Swift/P. Brown, TAMU)
This Swift UVOT image shows galaxy M82 before the explosion and combines data acquired between 2007 and 2013. Mid-ultraviolet light is shown in blue, near-UV light in green and visible light in red. The image is 17 arcminutes across, or slightly more than half the apparent diameter of a full moon. (Credit: NASA/Swift/P. Brown, TAMU)

A UA-led team of astronomers found that the type of supernovae commonly used to measure distances in the universe fall into distinct populations not recognized before. The findings have implications for our understanding of how fast the universe has been expanding since the Big Bang.


Swift's UVOT captured the new supernova (circled) in three exposures taken on Jan. 22, 2014. Mid-ultraviolet light is shown in blue, near-UV light in green and visible light in red. Thick dust in M82 scatters much of the highest-energy light, which is why the supernova appears yellowish here. The image is 17 arcminutes across, or slightly more than half the apparent diameter of a full moon. (Credit: NASA/Swift/P. Brown, TAMU)
Swift's UVOT captured the new supernova (circled) in three exposures taken on Jan. 22, 2014. Mid-ultraviolet light is shown in blue, near-UV light in green and visible light in red. Thick dust in M82 scatters much of the highest-energy light, which is why the supernova appears yellowish here. The image is 17 arcminutes across, or slightly more than half the apparent diameter of a full moon. (Credit: NASA/Swift/P. Brown, TAMU)

That same galaxy in a NASA Swift image, with bars indicating the location of supernova SN 2011fe. The Swift image is a false-color image with UV emission blue and optical emission red. (Image: NASA/Swift)
That same galaxy in a NASA Swift image, with bars indicating the location of supernova SN 2011fe. The Swift image is a false-color image with UV emission blue and optical emission red. (Image: NASA/Swift)

Certain types of supernovae, or exploding stars, are more diverse than previously thought, a University of Arizona-led team of astronomers has discovered. The results, reported in two papers published in the Astrophysical Journal, have implications for big cosmological questions, such as how fast the universe has been expanding since the Big Bang.

Most importantly, the findings hint at the possibility that the acceleration of the expansion of the universe might not be quite as fast as textbooks say.

The team, led by UA astronomer Peter A. Milne, discovered that type Ia supernovae, which have been considered so uniform that cosmologists have used them as cosmic "beacons" to plumb the depths of the universe, actually fall into different populations. The findings are analogous to sampling a selection of 100-watt light bulbs at the hardware store and discovering that they vary in brightness.

"We found that the differences are not random, but lead to separating Ia supernovae into two groups, where the group that is in the minority near us are in the majority at large distances — and thus when the universe was younger," said Milne, an associate astronomer with the UA's Department of Astronomy and Steward Observatory. "There are different populations out there, and they have not been recognized. The big assumption has been that as you go from near to far, type Ia supernovae are the same. That doesn't appear to be the case."

The discovery casts new light on the currently accepted view of the universe expanding at a faster and faster rate, pulled apart by a poorly understood force called dark energy. This view is based on observations that resulted in the 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics awarded to three scientists, including UA alumnus Brian P. Schmidt.

The Nobel laureates discovered independently that many supernovae appeared fainter than predicted because they had moved farther away from Earth than they should have done if the universe expanded at the same rate. This indicated that the rate at which stars and galaxies move away from each other is increasing; in other words, something has been pushing the universe apart faster and faster.

"The idea behind this reasoning," Milne explained, "is that type Ia supernovae happen to be the same brightness — they all end up pretty similar when they explode. Once people knew why, they started using them as mileposts for the far side of the universe.

"The faraway supernovae should be like the ones nearby because they look like them, but because they're fainter than expected, it led people to conclude they're farther away than expected, and this in turn has led to the conclusion that the universe is expanding faster than it did in the past."

Milne and his co-authors — Ryan J. Foley of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Peter J. Brown at Texas A&M University and Gautham Narayan of the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, or NOAO, in Tucson — observed a large sample of type Ia supernovae in ultraviolet and visible light. For their study, they combined observations made by the Hubble Space Telescope with those made by NASA's Swift satellite.

The data collected with Swift were crucial because the differences between the populations — slight shifts toward the red or the blue spectrum — are subtle in visible light, which had been used to detect type Ia supernovae previously, but became obvious only through Swift's dedicated follow-up observations in the ultraviolet.

"These are great results," said Neil Gehrels, principal investigator of the Swift satellite, who co-authored the first paper. "I am delighted that Swift has provided such important observations, which have been made toward a science goal that is completely independent of the primary mission. It demonstrates the flexibility of our satellite to respond to new phenomena swiftly."

"The realization that there were two groups of type Ia supernovae started with Swift data," Milne said. "Then we went through other datasets to see if we see the same. And we found the trend to be present in all the other datasets.

"As you're going back in time, we see a change in the supernovae population," he added. "The explosion has something different about it, something that doesn't jump out at you when you look at it in optical light, but we see it in the ultraviolet.

"Since nobody realized that before, all these supernovae were thrown in the same barrel. But if you were to look at 10 of them nearby, those 10 are going to be redder on average than a sample of 10 faraway supernovae."

The authors conclude that some of the reported acceleration of the universe can be explained by color differences between the two groups of supernovae, leaving less acceleration than initially reported. This would, in turn, require less dark energy than currently assumed.

"We're proposing that our data suggest there might be less dark energy than textbook knowledge, but we can't put a number on it," Milne said. "Until our paper, the two populations of supernovae were treated as the same population. To get that final answer, you need to do all that work again, separately for the red and for the blue population."

http://uanews.org/story/accelerating-universe-not-so-fast
 

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atheists attack religion.ive heard this from atheists themselves.this thread is proof.the atheists on here are vicious towards folks who practise religion and even those that just dont believe their theory.at least most christians try to bring you into their fold with love.regarding the crusades.not that many people died compared to other conflicts that have happened.atheists love to bring up the crusades but they seem to forget the armies involved in those wars rarely exceeded 20000 or 30000 people.more people died during the mongel conquests and there wasnt anything religious about the golden horde.if you calculate death totals caused by just religion and compare it to other causes of death there not the same.religion is not what kills people.

Just because it doesn't kill as many people as war for some other reason does not mean it doesn't kill. It's religion that drives followers to this level of fanaticism. People didn't just say, "hey this looks like a great day for a crusade" It's like this, you're either with us or your evil and if you're evil it's okay to do whatever we want to you and we'll be blessed for it. That's what religion does for you.
 

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have you read this whole thread?maybe you are not but most ive met make it there goal to debunk the god theory.


You know Gene you really starting to bother me haha first off i do not believe in religion , That has got to be the biggest SCAM to man kind ,, I do not have to prove shit you do for your ignorance of believing in something that is not real ,, Your Jesus or GOD Crap is a laugh really ,,
You do not see athiests going door to door trying to prove a point or to lure people into there stupidity ,, but just for you i did a good thing Yesterday ,, See i own couple of bad ass Dogs Kangals for some apparent reason they would love to eat your so called religious solicitors, that just never seem to end knocking on my door with there bible and pamphlet.. so i placed signs NO soliciting and vicious guard dogs on duty ,, To cover my ass just incase .. As per laws and what my Lawyer said
I placed my Camera next to door next time one of them come a knocking i am going to unleash your so called fear of god on them :biggrin:

Lets hope your god or jesus is there to help them what's the chances of him saving them any ????
 

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You took the words of the prophet John, out of context.

No you are the one taking the words out of context. You might be able to perceive things from many angles at once but you can't seem to manage at least investigating the context of the verse before stating it has been taken out of that context.

It wasn't John the prophet, it was the book of John the disciple and the chapter and verse is Jesus talking to his disciples who understand perfectly that the Father Jesus is referring to is God. It's from the last supper just before he's about to be arrested. He's talking about the resurrection and tells his disciples that he is going to go to prepare a place for them and that they know where and the way. To which Thomas says that they don't know where he's going so how could they know the way? To which Jesus replies "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14 1-6 said:
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 

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I agree 110% and one of the things that turns me off to main stream Christianity is that if I ask someone a question who is Christian and intellectually qualified by life status to have a logical conclusion about the same thing, what happens to people who never were introduced to God, I hear, I don't know. Basically apathy.

Well again, it depends on who you talk to some say you go to hell then, some say you are contacted between your death and the day of judgment and given a chance to know and believe in Christ [Mormons], some say you go to a place between heaven and hell called purgatory and there you are given a chance to know and accept Christ as your savior. [Catholics]

This kind of gets back at the subject I've been edging at which is God's Power, the reason we are told that Jesus needed to be sacrificed was because the wage's of sin is death and that all have sinned due to original sin. So since Jesus is God made flesh he has the ability to transcend hell and raise himself to heaven. Which we can also achieve by believing in him. Well it seems rather convoluted to have to go thru all that and sacrifice your only begotten son. Since you're all powerful why not simply say that the wages of sin our laps around the pool up in heaven. That way everyone gets in and has nice 6 pack abs.

I got a bit silly with it but the point remains God could make the wages of sin be whatever he want's he's God. Orrrr he's not all powerful which probably also means he's mythical or at best seriously misunderstood. At least within the constraints of religious doctrine and dogma.
 

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to believe in hell is to say that the devil is allowed to exact justice and im pretty sure the bible says that god is the one who gets to do that.if you believe in hell then you believe the devil is nessecary wont be destroyed and is equel to god exacting judjement just like him.very unchristian doctrine to make church goers pay money or go to hell.wicked dark ages!
 

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Gene if the bible said its ok to have sex with little boys you would probably follow suit wouldn't you cause whats in the bible has to be the word of GOD lol can i ask why we do not see stoning to death more often ?? ..
If its in the Bible why do you or anyone else get to pick n choose ,, Your a Hypocrite at its finest..
If everyone believed in the Bible and followed it by the book we be still in the fucking stone age.. Ask your self really what has Christianity really done for man kinds ?? i sure can name lots of how they fucked up man kind
here is a example Native americans ( Indians ) and Christianity = GENOCIDE
So please show me where it done any good

You Christians have a remarkable Talent for sticking your foot into your mouth, When searching the words , most commonly associated with Christian ... the list is not pretty lol truthfully..
Too often, Christians presume we have something everyone else needs, without even knowing them first. Ask someone about their story, but maybe not the second you meet them. Christian evangelism often is the equivalent of a randy young teenager trying to get in good with his new girlfriend. When your personal agenda is more important than the humanity of the person you’re talking to, most people can sense the opportunism from a mile a way.
you must feel so excited when you meet some one and mention hey you should come to my church on sunday we can knee jerk together could have you over after service for some cookies and milk hahaha
how fucked up does that sound all of these people really are fucking door to door fucking sales men trying to pass on there beliefs like its meaning full
But anyways
 

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will not be long 15 more years or so and Christianity will be bounced out of Rome

Italy leads the ranking in Europe as paradise for "martyrs", imams of hatred and terrorists involved in major terror attacks.

Twenty-nine of the suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan came from Italy.

Eight of the terrorists jailed in Guantanamo Bay are Italians.

Hussien Saber Fadhil, who has been called "the caliph", is the Iraqi arrested in Venice and considered the Italian link with al Qaeda. He sent money to the Palestinian Arab terror groups as well.

The most well known "Italian" terrorist is Abu Farid Al Masri, the suicide bomber who destroyed the United Nations' building in Baghdad in 2003, killing dozens of civilians.

From Milan came Kamal Morchidi, who blew himself up at the Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, nearly killing then-US undersecretary Paul Wolfowitz.

The terrorist proliferation is a symbol of growing Italian Islamization: There were 600,000 Muslims in Italy in the year 2000, over 1,300,000 in 2009, over 1.5 million today, and they are expected to get to 2.8 million by 2030.

The southern island of Sicily is about to become the site of a shining new multi-million euro mega-mosque paid for by Qatar.

The Mosque of Rome, which accommodates more than 12,000 people, is one of the largest mosques in Europe. It is there that the imam, an Egyptian Islamist, was suspended after preaching Jihad.
 

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I think i will convert to Muslim going to check into it why not be on the winning side RIGHT ,, After all Jesus was Muslim

GENE this is for you

Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven; the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws: Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws? They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.

Jesus teaches the unity of Allah; the oneness of God. In the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of ll commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Yet, most christians says Jesus is God. It’s an amazing situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the messege of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. Infact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being. The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says listen everybody: I am god!
He never make such claims. Infact, he rebukes such claims. In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him:
“Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want to be called good much less god. But did the christians follow this insruction? Not at all! Infact, they called him god. I wonder if jesus was present today how he is gonna react to this blasphemy. Propably too tense.

As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah, Jesus explicitly declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message. The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3, and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed (numbers 20:6) and jesus fell on his face and prayed mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though. They have their own kind of worship. Who is really tryin to imitate jesus? Christians or muslims?

And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of jesus; it’s the religion consructed about jesus.
The message of jesus is islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.

Infact even his diet isnt christian, jesus’ diet is islamic as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message. Its like a dialectic between the 2billion christians and jesus.
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play. You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from where it comes from.
Jesus pray to God; christians pray to jesus. Christianity is a religion of paul constructed against jesus.

Jesus was a Muslim and his religion was Islam in every sense
 
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