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No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

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armedoldhippy

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Just be careful where and when you express those beliefs. Remember, "believers" have permission from their gods to kill you on the spot if you don't agree with them. See Islam today. See Christianity in it's heyday, during the inquisition or the Crusades. Religious people hate atheists, and they will not hesitate to kill you for it. This is history, past and, amazingly, present. This world will be a much better place when these mythologies/superstitions/witchcraft/voodoo are all relegated to the dustbin of history.
Last week, in Iran, a woman burned her quran in protest. The crowd beat her to death on the spot, and continued to desecrate her body long after her lights went out. This is behavior worse than the widest of animals. A lion kills it's prey because it has to. It doesn't continue to flay the body in hatred afterwards. Only believers do that, and only believers come up with unimaginable tortures, like burning witches (non-believes) at the stake. Even family members will turn on you if you question their imaginary "lord".
It's a jungle out there, so be careful....:biggrin:
Don't wear an atheist/agnostic/anti-theist T-shirt. It could get you killed.....which gives me a business idea....atheism on the front, and a bulls-eye on the back?

your problem, in part, is that you continue to use the abuses of centuries ago as justification for your hatred of Christians/Christianity today. The Jewish population in Germany has gotten past what the Nazi regime there did to them in a MUCH shorter time frame. there are more Christians today than lived during the Crusades and the Inquisition, simply by virtue of a larger world population. I have never heard a religious person say they hate atheists, with the possible exception of the Westboro Baptist Church of Shrieking Imbecility. hell, those morons hate other Christians, too. by the way, lions don't bother killing their prey before they start eating. many are ripped apart & swallowed while still thrashing around, you need something else to compare to. sorry you have such horrific family problems. they don't belong to Westboro, do they?
 

armedoldhippy

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blah blah blah
can you name 1, just 1 empire, state, kingdom etc. that has always been there and will always exist? It happens to christian states as well. Are those states also knocked down by god as well? Does god punishes his own disciples? If so, it might be better not to believe in god. I bet you live in the bible belt!

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http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

The Global Consciousness Project
Meaningful Correlations in Random Data

Map of egg locations around the world
The behavior of our network of random sources is correlated with interconnected human consciousness on a global scale
Coherent consciousness creates order in the world
Subtle interactions link us with each other and the Earth

When human consciousness becomes coherent, the behavior of random systems may change. Random number generators (RNGs) based on quantum tunneling produce completely unpredictable sequences of zeroes and ones. But when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured. We calculate one in a trillion odds that the effect is due to chance. The evidence suggests an emerging noosphere or the unifying field of consciousness described by sages in all cultures.

The Global Consciousness Project is an international, multidisciplinary collaboration of scientists and engineers. We collect data continuously from a global network of physical random number generators located in up to 70 host sites around the world at any given time. The data are transmitted to a central archive which now contains more than 15 years of random data in parallel sequences of synchronized 200-bit trials generated every second.

Our purpose is to examine subtle correlations that may reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world. We hypothesize that there will be structure in what should be random data, associated with major global events that engage our minds and hearts.

Subtle but real effects of consciousness are important scientifically, but their real power is more immediate. They encourage us to make essential, healthy changes in the great systems that dominate our world. Large scale group consciousness has effects in the physical world. Knowing this, we can intentionally work toward a brighter, more conscious future.

Explore the website using the main Menu, which is a compact sitemap. In the About section you will find basic information. The Data section provides access to the results including the highly significant bottom line. The Discussion links explain how the science is done. For philosophical and interpretive views, look to the Perspectives menu. Check the Community section for ways to interact.

The Global Consciousness Project, created originally in the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab at Princeton University, is directed by Roger Nelson from his home office in Princeton. The Institute of Noetic Sciences provides a logistical home for the GCP.

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Signs of "Connected Consciousness" Detected on Global Scale
Posted on September 28, 2014
Our individual minds, though distinct and uniquely ours, may also join with others in a kind of mental symphony that now and then becomes audible against a prevailing background of static. That's a conclusion suggested by the Global Consciousness Project (GCP), which got its start at Princeton University in 1998 and now operates as an international collaboration.
Global Consciousness Project locations Image source: Google Maps
2 EraNova Institute | Article from Richard Samson’s World Future Society/FUTURIST blog http://www.wfs.org/blogs/richard-samson/signs-connected-consciousness-detected-global-scale
After 16 years of monitoring more than 480 world events, researchers report strong evidence of some kind of transpersonal mentality that seems to emerge when many people share a common concern or experience. At such times, a global network of devices employing quantum tunneling has found weak but definite signs of coherence arising out of background "noise" or randomness.
Although the evidence has been known by specialists for years, it has grown so strong it now warrants public attention. And it comes at a time when the materialistic assumptions of traditional science, particularly physics, are being challenged.
The measured effect, though faint and fickle, is statistically significant to an extremely high degree, according to the researchers. It shows up during times of crisis or celebration, such as an earthquake or New Year's Eve, when millions of people focus on the same thing at the same time.
Although far from final and definitive, the research suggests that our minds may not be bounded by our heads but somehow extend out into the world and commingle, at least at times. "What we can interpret from our experiments is that we really are interconnected," says Roger Nelson, GCP's Director. "Human beings are simply not isolated islands of consciousness."
The Research in a Nutshell
The detection system is a global network of random number generators (RNGs) based on quantum tunneling. Up to 70 are active at any one time. Each RNG outputs a continuous stream of completely unpredictable zeroes and ones. The stream ordinarily averages out at 50% ones and 50% zeros, just as flipping coins tends to produce roughly equal heads and tails over time. The RNG data are transmitted to a central archive for later analysis.
When events engage millions of minds and hearts at once, structure seems to emerge out of what would otherwise be randomness. The global network departs a bit from the normal generation of random ones and zeros. The RNGs' behaviors become slightly correlated and the system as a whole appears to shift toward coherence.
It doesn't happen every time, but often enough and strongly enough to produce compelling statistics. The chart below shows the combined output of the RNG network before, during
3 EraNova Institute | Article from Richard Samson’s World Future Society/FUTURIST blog http://www.wfs.org/blogs/richard-samson/signs-connected-consciousness-detected-global-scale
and after 9/11/2001, the day the Pentagon and World Trade Center were attacked. The odds that the apparent structure in the project database for that day is due to chance are about one in 32, considered statistically significant. When this event's data are combined with that of other events studied on other days, the odds against chance rise exponentially.
Output of Global Consciousness Project computers on 9/11/2001 Image source: Global Consciousness Project
Many types of events have been studied: natural disasters, religious holidays, airline crashes, military invasions, acts of terror, peace vigils, and political events such as Obama winning the presidency in 2008. The chart below summarizes the aggregate results of all studies.
The jagged red line shows the accumulating excess of empirically developed scores relative to expectation for the complete dataset of defined events. The odds against chance are more than a trillion to one, after more than 480 studies. As additional events have been studied, the degree of significance has steadily increased.
4 EraNova Institute | Article from Richard Samson’s World Future Society/FUTURIST blog http://www.wfs.org/blogs/richard-samson/signs-connected-consciousness-detected-global-scale
Aggregate results of Global Consciousness Project studies through August 2014 Image source: Global Consciousness Project
All efforts to invalidate the data or the conclusions have so far failed. For example, the team compared earthquakes that occurred under the ocean to those occurring on land. The prediction was that only the land-based quakes would produce a significant effect, since quakes at sea have hardly any impact on people. The RNG readings validated this prediction.
No one knows exactly why and how such deviations from chance happen. But they do. For a more detailed description, see the Deeper Explanation section, below. For complete information, see the Global Consciousness Project.
The Bottom Line?
"We can conclude," says Nelson, "that there really are effects of consciousness in the world, unexpected correlations in our network of random devices. Something is going on, and the most likely conclusion is that there is an interconnection of consciousness at deeply hidden levels between people and among people across the globe."
5 EraNova Institute | Article from Richard Samson’s World Future Society/FUTURIST blog http://www.wfs.org/blogs/richard-samson/signs-connected-consciousness-detected-global-scale
Why Is It News Now?
Results of the GCP studies have been published on many occasions over the past 16 years, but never widely noted by the general media. Now may be the time to start paying attention.
Why? For one thing, the statistical certainty has mounted to the point that it's hard to ignore. Toward the end of 1998, the odds against chance started exceeding one in 20, an acceptable level in many disciplines. Then, with added studies, the level of certainty began to zoom. By the year 2000, the odds against chance exceeded one in 1,000; and in 2006, they broke through the one in a million level; they're now more than one in a trillion with no upper limit in sight.
This far exceeds the bar for statistical significance used in many fields, such as medicine and weather forecasting. Odds against chance ranging from 20-to-one to 100-to-one are commonly considered sufficient. The certainty level is set unusually high for the Higgs Boson; data for validating its existence are considered acceptable if they exceed one in 3.5 million. The GCP level of statistical certainty is now more than 285,000 times greater than that.
In addition to the mounting weight of the evidence, there's another reason it may be newsworthy now. It could help alter a mindset that perpetuates our problems. As Nelson puts it, "The more we understand we're all 'one,' as the sages of all cultures put it, the better able we'll be to shift our activities to realize our huge, wonderful potential." Without a course change, he adds, "we may not have a future at all."
 
there has always been a jewish presence in isreal.when was that country devoid of jews?maybe alot of them were displaced but some always hung on in that area.
 
il agree with that.the last 50 years isreal has seen more growth than any other nation on earth which for all the bible haters out there isreals rebirth is talked about in great detail in the bible but you have to actually read it to see it
 

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Peace love and tolerance is I.M.O. the only true message of god. I sincerely hope that every person in that region and of course everywhere else in the world will have the benefits of this message
 

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not to stir the pot, new to the news stream im reading

http://www.xthinks.org/celebrities/..._medium=post_afterlife&utm_campaign=afterlife

one of the reasons i hate to discuss what i believe is because i believe in many things but not of a direct afterlife, and many people find that a bummer

if this life weren't so precious it wouldn't be so special, but it doesn't mean I don't believe there us an underlying architecture that random doesn't seem to explain very well
 

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We only live on through our children, imo.
Saw that a lot in myself after my mum died.
And I see a lot of my ways in my lil daughter, strange feeling
 

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your problem, in part, is that you continue to use the abuses of centuries ago as justification for your hatred of Christians/Christianity today. The Jewish population in Germany has gotten past what the Nazi regime there did to them in a MUCH shorter time frame. there are more Christians today than lived during the Crusades and the Inquisition, simply by virtue of a larger world population. I have never heard a religious person say they hate atheists

So you are dismissing the current mass murders and barbarism by Muslims around the world, including here in the U.S.? How convenient for you to ignore what is right in front of your glassy eyes. You have never heard a religious person say they hate atheists? That's funny! But you have seen religious persons kill atheists. You couldn't have missed that, as it happens every day in some parts of the world. In the muslim world, atheism is grounds for immediate murder and desecration of the corpse, again, something even wild animals don't do. I'm quite familiar with how lions kill/eat their prey. There is no hatred involved. You must have known that, but continue to be obtuse for the sake of argument. I don't know what point you were trying to make, but it was an epic failure, whatever it was.
 

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it isn't meant to be interpreted that way, it is a "designed" entanglement, a snare for the non believer

the ultimate reality according to the bible is this (don't shoot the messenger I didn't write it)

we are the children of god who so desires to reconcile gracefully with us that he would prove perfection in human form and sacrifice it

perfect human form not in physical being but in his conscious being, in his love for his fellow man

there is no way you can break the love God has for us, the true meaning of God is that we are born in a world where at any moment we can choose to live with an unconditional love, we can be christ because it is one of our potentials

the only way this potential is expressed or diminished, is whether we choose to recognize it or not, and the only time we have this capacity is while we are alive

thus emanuel the living god

The best the devil will ever do is delude you into thinking that this relationship does not exist

the only one who can separate you from God is yourself, as in god is defined as our consciousness aka in his image and we can choose to embrace it or not

the devil is the part of our being that is still rooted in instinct and carnal narcissism such as materialism

thus statements like it would be easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich man to find god

Christ wasn't condemning the rich he was illustrating the effect greed has from understanding unconditional love in terms of humanity, they are very counter intuitive at times

but the same thing happens internally in us because of our sympathetic and para sympathetic nervous systems, we are born into an instinctive body and mind developmentally and learn to embrace our consciousness over time

this is why christ liked faith to a mustard seed, because we are to use christ as a compass for our morality and try to learn to conform to using it (aka our developing consciousness) as our guide

you cant understand the mysteries unless you believe and take the journey in some way shape or form

it does not need include god or concepts that are that far out

basing it all on humanity and consciousness is a fine way to reverse engineer it all, and a quick way to see divinity for what it really is

Some great stuff in here - it hits on some points that I have thought over the years. Religion is an organization for the control of the masses for power, enrichment here on earth - then I go to a southern baptist revival - you know the one I'm talking about - talking in tongues - the something in the air that makes your hair stand up on the back of your neck. It's some powerful stuff.

I've given up trying to 'splain my philosophy - but if I did it would sound something like yours. I believe that there is a universal consciousness that we are connected through our souls (thoughts). That whenever a group of people gather together and focus on one thought - God - it streamlines the energy from around the universe and channels to each person participating - hence the hair standing on the back of your neck - or it is static electricity?

I prefer to believe in a loving God (generic term) that has different levels of understanding. That earth is the hell described in the bible - that instead of death there is rebirth. How you are reborn depends on whether or not you are able to reach the level of consciousness for the next step - whatever that may be - or you are cast back into Hell - reborn on Earth - to try again.

Anyway - not very good at 'splaining myself - but be good to each other - what goes around comes around.
 
il agree with that.the last 50 years isreal has seen more growth than any other nation on earth which for all the bible haters out there isreals rebirth is talked about in great detail in the bible but you have to actually read it to see it
So you think the killing of Palestinian women and children and the stealing of their country is justified by a book of fiction :moon: So much for the religious being morally superior eh! .The reason Israel is seeing more growth is because of the Zionist settler scum keep land grabbing and the Israeli government use religion and a book of myths as a way to justify it its disgraceful and obcene and if you truely believe the bible is historically accurate you are deluded .
And before anyone pulls the anti semitic card , i have no problem with Jews or Israeli's many of which are against the actions of the Israeli government and the settlers . only the Zionist scum .
 
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