No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[Weird]

The World Factbook gives the population as 7,095,217,980 (July 2013 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 31.50% (of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 23.20% (of which Sunni 75-90%, Shia 10-20%, Ahmadi 1%), Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.).[1]


seems like a lot of people here are absolutely full of shit because they hate religion for all its crimes against humanity yet can't bring personal stories of strife they experienced first hand to the table.

With that many dangerous religious people in the world, every one should have multiple personal story of horror to share.

numbers and facts don't lie

Religion Adherents
Christianity[4] 2.2 billion
Islam 1.6 billion[5]
Secular[a]/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist ≤1.1 billion
Hinduism 1 billion
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million
Buddhism 376 million
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million
African traditional religions 100 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche[d] 19 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 14 million
Bahá'í 7 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Shinto 4 million
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neo-Paganism 1 million
Unitarian Universalism 800 thousand
Rastafarianism 600 thousand

 

[Weird]

now if that many people are delusional because of belief, how is the world still standing and technology moving forward?

How come we don't have more war instead of less?

I posted the statistics.

Don't be a bunch of trolls and skip the question.

I put it out there several times now.

Justify your prejudice logically or expect your logic to be called out for what it is.

faulty

.

 

[Jericho Mile]

No

If people were talking shit about people for skin color I would be carrying myself the same way.

IF you think that the billions of people who have religious beliefs are dumbfounded dip shits simply because of their beliefs than that simply says volumes about you as a person.

Prejudice without reason or cause? yes it is.

Like I said to Retro, what have you experienced personally to give you such an opinion? real life strife with religious people?

Do you have a real experience that could be used to justify how you feel?

Or is it based on what the tv told you?

A real man with integrity would answer this, most people don't answer these questions when I ask them because they simply don't have any real experience themselves.

If you don't have personal experience of religious strife caused to you maybe you can actualize with the numbers out there the extent of pain caused by religion.

Hint, its not religion.

Some sorry ass ignorant pot heads out there, prejudice is for the weak minded.

...you confuse prejudice with common sense. sometimes things are presented to you, Weird...and you say have to roll your eyes and say: "no fucking way, Homes...that's not happening..you're living in fantasy land"

I don't think billions of people are dumbfounded dip shits because they have religious beliefs. I think they are dip shits because they can't face a reality where they don't have a clue about their existence..and have to explain it away by making up stories and then...expect (or force) the rest of the population to go along with them. They are dip shits because they can't own up to their fears..but have no problem passing them along..and burdening others. I'm opposed to fear mongers and liars...the gullible and the weak.

Religion started out innocent enough...just little stories to explain the unknowns...and some basic ideas on how life amongst each other could be made tolerable. That's not hard to understand.

but it's a far cry from that now. Seems somebody forgot to pass on that it wasn't to be used to control populations, convey agendas, and justify homicidal rampages. Seems somebody forgot to pass on that simple...common sense morality...is a blessing...and that interpretations of fictitious stories a pass time...not the word of god...not the laws of the land...not an excuse to manifest destinies.

Some sorry ass ignorant weak minded pot heads? really, bro?....that's where you've brought yourself to? You must be getting sleepy...or are you elevating yourself above us? You preaching it now are you?

 

[Weird]

...you confuse prejudice with common sense. sometimes things are presented to you, Weird...and you say have to roll your eyes and say: "no fucking way, Homes...that's not happening..you're living in fantasy land"

I don't think billions of people are dumbfounded dip shits because they have religious beliefs. I think they are dip shits because they can't face a reality where they don't have a clue about their existence..and have to explain it away by making up stories and then...expect (or force) the rest of the population to go along with them. They are dip shits because they can't own up to their fears..but have no problem passing them along..and burdening others. I'm opposed to fear mongers and liars...the gullible and the weak.

Religion started out innocent enough...just little stories to explain the unknowns...and some basic ideas on how life amongst each other could be made tolerable. That's not hard to understand.

but it's a far cry from that now. Seems somebody forgot to pass on that it wasn't to be used to control populations, convey agendas, and justify homicidal rampages. Seems somebody forgot to pass on that simple...common sense morality...is a blessing...and that interpretations of fictitious stories a pass time...not the word of god...not the laws of the land...not an excuse to manifest destinies.

Some sorry ass...weak minded pot heads? really, bro?....that's where you've brought yourself to? You must be getting sleepy...or are you elevating yourself above us? You preaching it now are you?

If you look at raw data like murder rates per capita it is not religions countries but impoverished ones run by gangs and cartels that have the highest murder rates.

You can filter by rate to see which countries are the worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


The world conflicts are fought under the guise of religion but are political in nature. This is not a debatable opinion but established fact.

The war against religion (Islam) is no different than the war against the jews in germany in that the powers that benefit from these power plays use one polarizing front to unite people under.

It is just as easy to propagate racism in impoverished areas, which is why we have gang problems here in Americas, that cause more deaths than any religious conflicts, yet no one gives a FUCK.

My guess is because it is blacks and latinos and most white people could care less about what happens in their back yard then what is happening in lands they have never been to.

I asked one thing.

to personally justify the pain other peoples beliefs have caused you.

Ill accept the crown for being a pompous proselytizing instigating prick if you can just justify your own bias with some personally relative stories of pain and suffering religion has caused you.

you want to know why the world is in the state it is in, you want the truth ?

A gripping, deeply informative account of the plunder, hypocrisy, and mass violence of plutocracy and empire; insightful, historically grounded and highly relevant to the events of today.

This documentary is about the foreign policy of the United States. It demonstrates the importance of the political economy, the Mafia principle, propaganda, ideology, violence and force.



It documents and explains how the policy is based on the interest of major corporations and a tiny elite to increase profits and the United States governments own interests in maintaining and expanding it's imperialistic influence.



Inside the United States this has been made possible with a propaganda of fear for the horrible enemies like the Soviet Union, Communists and so on and a love for "free markets", "democracy", "freedom" and so on.


Externally (and increasingly internally) this has caused massive poverty and suffering, genocide, war, coups, crushed unions and popular movements and environmental destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5If2YaLtX4

It used to be communism now its the muslim threat.

what were the death tolls yearly before the USA was involved in the middle east?

the catalyst to most strife in humanity is the desire for wealth and power for which those people use any method to polarize people against each other.

Pot heads should know, we are one of those groups who war (drug war) was brought upon for political and capitalistic gain. How many billions if not trillions have been spent on the drug war since it started?

How many people demonized pot heads because the data presented by the government?

How is that any different than the war found on religious grounds?

http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2012/09/27/tracking-u-s-citizens-deaths-by-terrorism/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/09/global-terrorism-deaths

about 2000 times the amount of people die due to air pollution every year than they do by terrorism

http://www.livescience.com/38125-air-pollution-global-deaths.html

why aren't we fighting this

or how about hunger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation

3 + million kids die a year because of it

I am just scratching the surface of the statistics that show how fucked up the perceptions of people are.

5-6 million people die a year because of lack of food and clean air yet we spend trillions fighting a way that caused an increase in an already infinitesimal problem.

You are as likely to die from lightning as you are to die from terrorism based on global statistics.

Now what if we added the drug violence in south America?

or deaths from drunk driving or drug overdoses?

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30#sthash.LkBVspJI.dpbs

there is a much greater chance of dying from drinking or smoking or obesity (here in America) than there is of dying form terrorism

and if your in a poor third world country and your poor your chances of dying from malnutrition, disease or other factors is exponentially greater than terrorism.


In fact thats why there is terrorism, frustrated impoverished people fighting for the little they have left.

They are already facing death do to the state of impoverishment they suffer, how do you think dying for a cause becomes attractive?

nothing else to live for.

Statistics don't lie.

 

[Weird]

http://www.worldmapper.org/posters/worldmapper_map291_ver5.pdf

See in africa and south america where violence rates dwarf that of violence in other parts of the world, their are bigger interest making big money. Some cause the instability just so they can profit. Take a look at south american cartels. CIA involvement just a fantasy or is it established fact?

Power principle connects the dots.

 

[genedigger]

religion holds you responsible for your actions .evolution just says fuck it you evolved just go with it at the exspense of others natural selection.

 

[waveguide]

I really hope you are not sacrificing too much..risking too much...

shucks bro, i've got august to look forward to. 10 years ago august i became a TI, it was the 10 year anniversary of "that thing i did wrong from the perspective of dickheads". i totally wouldn't be surprised if i'm looking at paralysis or death after august. or maybe that nice man who said he was going to hunt me down and eat me alive as if he meant it.

hope i taste good bro, must be rough doing all that evil stuff for cartels or michael aquino or whatever, it's probably the only chance to relax a guy like that gets when no one wants anythnig from him. i hope i'm good dinner conversation.

so, i bitch. what are they gonna do? turn my v2k up louder? eviler spells? more vermin in my garden? or my body? fouler substances in my food? see if they can find anyone else who wants to assault me? shoot at me some more? lock me up? eat me alive? more forum posts from cock sucking quabbalists acting like they really got this shit down because they can make a result?

*dusts fingernails*

fuck the masons.

 

[waveguide]

if there is spell it out

now SERIOUSLY why would i bother

the only time you respond to ANY shit i say is when i challenge the validity of your identity. you don't got shit to say if i say anything about any point in discussion, only to maintain your fucking validity.

also

your job is to obfuscate. why would i talk to you? i'm not going to waste my time trying to discuss anything with you. because that's not your job.

it would go like this: i say something, you type a million words in five posts so no one can be bothered to integrate the discussion. type a few more posts so the discussion is on the old page and history until no one can see any ideas you and your friends don't want them to see.


i said it before bro. cosmology is fucking simple. cosmology has been a topic of discussion before the industrial era and complex industrial compound terms. you can talk about it with short words and short phrases. if, of course, given you needed to or wanted to.



remember - you want to say meaningful things, fucking pick your words carefully. your dire ear posts reveal your true place - the duad.

 

[D. B. Doober]

The question arises "what existed before 14 billion years ago?" Before the big bang, what was there? Also, how much matter was in the singularity/was produced/released into our universe? Everything that created the stars...helium and hydrogen...all of it was from the big bang? Then the obvious observation is that the matter could NOT have come from simply a chain reaction or simple singularity, it had to be a wormhole that was large enough and open long enough for all of this matter to come through. They call the epicenter of the Big Bang the singularity, so maybe it could have been a black hole. So what's on the other side of the black hole, and what caused it to suddenly explode with radiation and gases?

 

[waveguide]

The question arises "what existed before 14 billion years ago?" Before the big bang, what was there? Also, how much matter was in the singularity/was produced/released into our universe? Everything that created the stars...helium and hydrogen...all of it was from the big bang? Then the obvious observation is that the matter could NOT have come from simply a chain reaction or simple singularity, it had to be a wormhole that was large enough and open long enough for all of this matter to come through. They call the epicenter of the Big Bang the singularity, so maybe it could have been a black hole. So what's on the other side of the black hole, and what caused it to suddenly explode with radiation and gases?

that question needs to settle down again.

what existed before then? what exists now?

what's on the other side? how do you believe there's anything on this side?

epistemology first. without epistemology, it does not matter how much information you have.

you're asking "what exists?" when you don't even have a "what" or an "exists" worth diddly.


i guess in scientific terms, we can say
epistemology makes the difference between someone who can use science, and someone who is used by science.

 

[Jericho Mile]

shucks bro, i've got august to look forward to. 10 years ago august i became a TI, it was the 10 year anniversary of "that thing i did wrong from the perspective of dickheads". i totally wouldn't be surprised if i'm looking at paralysis or death after august. or maybe that nice man who said he was going to hunt me down and eat me alive as if he meant it.

hope i taste good bro, must be rough doing all that evil stuff for cartels or michael aquino or whatever, it's probably the only chance to relax a guy like that gets when no one wants anythnig from him. i hope i'm good dinner conversation.

so, i bitch. what are they gonna do? turn my v2k up louder? eviler spells? more vermin in my garden? or my body? fouler substances in my food? see if they can find anyone else who wants to assault me? shoot at me some more? lock me up? eat me alive? more forum posts from cock sucking quabbalists acting like they really got this shit down because they can make a result?

*dusts fingernails*

fuck the masons.

Well. Sounds to me...like you are happily fucked. Why worry about anything?

 

[DrFever]

Google is jesus a historical fact. He is scientifically a fact.no one can deny his existence. But wether you believe he is what he claims he is,is entirely up to you. Remember the Romans where recording history for along time. Also the ark of the covenant real.its in a Monastery somewhere i know a person who has seen it.
You can try and belittle faith,reject it,ignore it.
Most likely because you feel like it has belittled you,rejected you for who your are,and ignored by its followers.
Just know this. We're all indoctrinated by an external reality. And we're cleansed by an eternal reality. In other words.we are what comes out of us,not whats is put into us.
Im constantly being feed negative shit.but im always spitting up positive lava.lol
Another example is cannbis.everbody and there mother will tell you its evil or a drug.but we know the truth,its a wonderful plant.it has so much to offer.it can save the world.but it is rejected why?it is in conflict with the will of men.not god or the nature of the universe what ever you wanna call the life force of existence.the conductor of evry molecule.
Any ways be easy evrybody.hope yall f8nd peace

Ghost was jesus born in Bethlehem ????? where was he born ??? where is his body where is actual proof he existed at all not going to Google it its circle of non sense when you read between the lines..



Craig Chester, the President of the Monterey Institute for Research in Astronomy, offers a detailed and elaborate understanding of the rising star in the Bethlehem sky at Jesus’ birth, in “The Star of Bethlehem” [Imprimis (Dec. 1993)]. He claims it was Jupiter, the planet known to represent kingship to astrologers in the ancient East, which came into conjunction with Regulus, the star of kingship, which is located in the constellation of Leo, also known as the constellation of kings. But think about this. E. P. Sanders asks, “Why take the star of Matthew’s story to be a real astral event and ignore what the author says about it?” [The Historical Figure of Jesus (p. 55)].
Matthew 2:9-10:After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed.
How is it truly possible for the star that Chester describes to lead the Magi from Jerusalem to a specific inn located in Bethlehem less than five miles away? H. R. Reimarus (A.D. 1768) observed long ago that even if it were some sort of comet with a tail, “it is too high to point to a specific house.” If it were a miraculous star, then why didn’t everyone in the vicinity see it? Pope Leo I (A.D. 461) proposed that the star was invisible to the Jews because of their blindness. But then why did it appear to pagan astrologers? Surely the whole reason Matthew believed stars/planets could move like this is because of how the ancients viewed the universe.

Consider the other problems inherent with the story:

Jesus was not born in Bethlehem, if Luke is taken literally, according to E. P. Sanders [The Historical Figure of Jesus (Penguin Press, 1993, pp. 84-91)]. What husband would take a nine-month pregnant woman on such a trek from Nazareth at that time when only heads of households were obligated to register for a census when the census would’ve been stretched out over a period of weeks or even months? But if he did, why did he not take better precautions for the birth? Why not take Mary to her relative Elizabeth’s home just a few miles away from Bethlehem for the birth of her baby? According to Luke’s own genealogy (3:23-38) David had lived 42 generations earlier. Why should everyone have had to register for a census in the town of one of his ancestors forty-two generations earlier? There would be millions of ancestors by that time, and the whole empire would have been uprooted. Why 42 generations and not 35, or 16? If it was just required of the lineage of King David to register for the census, what was Augustus thinking when he ordered it? He had a King, Herod. “Under no circumstances could the reason for Joseph’s journey be, as Luke says, that he was ‘of the house and lineage of David,’ because that was of no interest to the Romans in this context.” [Uta Ranke-Heinemann, Putting Away Childish Things, (p.10)]. The fact is, even if there was a worldwide Roman census that included Galilee at this specific time, there is evidence that Census takers taxed people based upon the land they owned, so they traveled to where people lived.

According to Robin Lane Fox, “Luke’s story is historically impossible and internally incoherent.” But he says, “Luke’s errors and contradictions are easily explained. Early Christian tradition did not remember, or perhaps ever know, exactly where and when Jesus had been born. People were much more interested in his death and consequences.” “After the crucifixion and the belief in the resurrection, people wondered all the more deeply about Jesus’ birthplace. Bethlehem, home of King David, was a natural choice for the new messiah. There was even a prophecy in support of the claim which the ‘little town’ has maintained so profitably to this day.” So, “a higher truth was served by an impossible fiction.” [The Unauthorized Version: Truth and Fiction in the Bible(Knopf, 1992), p. 31-32]. “Luke’s real source for the view that Jesus was born in Bethlehem was almost certainly the conviction that Jesus fulfilled a hope that someday a descendant of David would arise to save Israel,” because the Messiah was supposed to come from there (Micah 5:2). [E. P. Sanders, The Historical Figure of Jesus (p. 87.)].

In many other places we read that the people of his time called him "Jesus of Nazareth" (Matthew 26:70-72; Mark 1:23-25; Mark 10:46-48; Luke 4:34; Luke 18:37; Luke 24:20; John 1:45; John 18:6-8; John 19:19; Acts 2:22; Acts 6:14; Acts 10:38; Acts 22:9; Acts 26:9), so scholars conclude it's more likely that Jesus was born and raised in Nazareth. They think this because the NT writers quoted OT verses from Psalms and the prophets out of context to point to Jesus. The NT writers were intent on making Jesus' birth, life, nature and mission to fit anything in the Old Testament that could be construed to speak of him, as proof he was who they claimed him to be. But any Christian today who uses the Bible to argue for their views without taking into consideration the context of the passages in question, would be laughed at even in their own academic circles! So I challenge Christians here. Use these same ancient hermeneutical standards (like pesher and Midrash), and see what happens? Go ahead. I dare you.

Matthew’s account of Jesus’ birth fares no better. Robin Lane Fox: “Bethlehem was not Jesus’ birthplace but was imported from Hebrew prophecies about the future Messiah; the Star had similar origins (Numbers 24:17). Matthew’s story is a construction from well-known messianic prophecies (Bethlehem; the Star), and the Wise Men (Magi) have been added as another legend.” “Where the truth had been lost, stories filled the gap, and the desire to know fabricated its own tradition."

There are even discrepancies between the Gospels themselves:

"Luke told a tale of angels and shepherds, bringing some of the humblest people in society to Bethlehem with news of Jesus’ future. Instead of shepherds, Matthew brought Wise Men, following a star in the East and bringing gifts…In one version, there are simple shepherds, the other, learned Wise Men: the contrast sets our imaginations free, and perhaps like the Wise Men we too should return by ‘another way.” [The Unauthorized Version: Truth and Fiction in the Bible (Knopf, 1992), pp.35- 36].

Luke has Joseph and Mary living in Nazareth from where they traveled to Bethlehem for the Roman census (Luke 1:26; 2:4). After Jesus was born, Joseph took his family from Bethlehem to Jerusalem for up to 40 days (Luke 2:22), and from there straight back to Nazareth (Luke 2:39). But Matthew says Jesus was born in a "house" where Joseph’s family lived in Bethlehem. And after the birth of Jesus they lived there for up to two years (Matt 2:16)! After the Magi leave them, Joseph is warned in a dream to flee to Egypt and stay there until Herod died (Matt. 2:15). After Herod died, Joseph was told in a dream to return to the land of Israel, and he headed for his home in Bethlehem of Judea. But since he was afraid to go there, he settled in Nazareth (Matt. 2:21-23), for the first time!

 

[Jericho Mile]

If you look at raw data like murder rates per capita it is not religions countries but impoverished ones run by gangs and cartels that have the highest murder rates.

You can filter by rate to see which countries are the worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


The world conflicts are fought under the guise of religion but are political in nature. This is not a debatable opinion but established fact.

The war against religion (Islam) is no different than the war against the jews in germany in that the powers that benefit from these power plays use one polarizing front to unite people under.

It is just as easy to propagate racism in impoverished areas, which is why we have gang problems here in Americas, that cause more deaths than any religious conflicts, yet no one gives a FUCK.

My guess is because it is blacks and latinos and most white people could care less about what happens in their back yard then what is happening in lands they have never been to.

I asked one thing.

to personally justify the pain other peoples beliefs have caused you.

Ill accept the crown for being a pompous proselytizing instigating prick if you can just justify your own bias with some personally relative stories of pain and suffering religion has caused you.

you want to know why the world is in the state it is in, you want the truth ?

A gripping, deeply informative account of the plunder, hypocrisy, and mass violence of plutocracy and empire; insightful, historically grounded and highly relevant to the events of today.

This documentary is about the foreign policy of the United States. It demonstrates the importance of the political economy, the Mafia principle, propaganda, ideology, violence and force.



It documents and explains how the policy is based on the interest of major corporations and a tiny elite to increase profits and the United States governments own interests in maintaining and expanding it's imperialistic influence.



Inside the United States this has been made possible with a propaganda of fear for the horrible enemies like the Soviet Union, Communists and so on and a love for "free markets", "democracy", "freedom" and so on.


Externally (and increasingly internally) this has caused massive poverty and suffering, genocide, war, coups, crushed unions and popular movements and environmental destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5If2YaLtX4

It used to be communism now its the muslim threat.

what were the death tolls yearly before the USA was involved in the middle east?

the catalyst to most strife in humanity is the desire for wealth and power for which those people use any method to polarize people against each other.

Pot heads should know, we are one of those groups who war (drug war) was brought upon for political and capitalistic gain. How many billions if not trillions have been spent on the drug war since it started?

How many people demonized pot heads because the data presented by the government?

How is that any different than the war found on religious grounds?

http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2012/09/27/tracking-u-s-citizens-deaths-by-terrorism/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/09/global-terrorism-deaths

about 2000 times the amount of people die due to air pollution every year than they do by terrorism

http://www.livescience.com/38125-air-pollution-global-deaths.html

why aren't we fighting this

or how about hunger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation

3 + million kids die a year because of it

I am just scratching the surface of the statistics that show how fucked up the perceptions of people are.

5-6 million people die a year because of lack of food and clean air yet we spend trillions fighting a way that caused an increase in an already infinitesimal problem.

You are as likely to die from lightning as you are to die from terrorism based on global statistics.

Now what if we added the drug violence in south America?

or deaths from drunk driving or drug overdoses?

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30#sthash.LkBVspJI.dpbs

there is a much greater chance of dying from drinking or smoking or obesity (here in America) than there is of dying form terrorism

and if your in a poor third world country and your poor your chances of dying from malnutrition, disease or other factors is exponentially greater than terrorism.


In fact thats why there is terrorism, frustrated impoverished people fighting for the little they have left.

They are already facing death do to the state of impoverishment they suffer, how do you think dying for a cause becomes attractive?

nothing else to live for.

Statistics don't lie.

I deal with what's now..and what's in front of me. One foot in front of the other.

I am not in any pain from others beliefs. I don't suffer them. I didn't need to be told not to suffer them...or read it in some book...or collect the data sheets....I simply used common sense...situational awareness..and saw what these sorts of religious beliefs were all about...and where they had been manipulated to serve masters. That simple. It's not like it's well hidden.

Seems to me...that more and more..you are extracting yourself from common sense and the physical world..and living via your computer and its endless "fact checks", statistics, video tutorials, various guises of information/disinformation....and stretching this into something other than cyber reality. Books and theory...all fun and games..until someone doesn't like it...and beats you death with them. that's another reality.

and yup...wars are not fought over religion...they are fought over greed and control of resources. Religion...however...is that tool used often enough..to be called crusades...holy wars..holocausts...and why is it used?

Because entire populations of peoples are indoctrinated with fear of the unknowns....fear for their eternal souls...fear of the darkness. It's the easiest way to get them to lay down quietly as fodder. Show them a little light....line them up...march them off...mow them down...start again. It's farming 101.

Remember Jim Jones? Remember the signs "I believe in Jim Jones"? Remember his recordings..him moaning...love love love? Remember the purple kool aid? ...incoherent...in the jungle..dripping sweat laced with quaaludes...love love love...people people people...mothers mothers mothers...lay down your children. In a biblical terms...that makes perfect sense...I guess?

It's fucking insanity...

 

[DrFever]

“There are too many different stories about him, all of which have some serious credibility problems and which are inconsistent with one another,” Lindsay told Discovery News. “For the objective historian, he will always remain a shadowy figure, with little substantive biographical content. On the one hand, we have many who will take things on faith, accepting some subset of the stories as unquestionably true. On the other hand, there are those who insist that Jesus is an invented figure, a myth or a hoax. I think both of these extremes are almost equally implausible.”

Biblical scholars, as well as lay Christians, have long sought hard evidence of events and miracles described in the Bible, ranging from Noah’s Ark to the Shroud of Turin, with little success. New claims about proof of Jesus surface every few years.

People Claiming to Be Jesus

For example, in 2003 a relics dealer claimed to have discovered a limestone mortuary box that held the remains of Jesus’ brother. The inscription read, “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.”

The find made international news and spawned several documentaries, including one titled “The Lost Tomb of Jesus,” which aired on the Discovery Channel. Further investigation by the Israeli Antiquities Authority concluded that though the ossuary box was authentic, the inscription on it had been faked.

And just last year an historian at Harvard Divinity School claimed to have found documentary evidence in the form of a fragment of Coptic writing on papyrus that Jesus was married; a later analysis by Biblical scholars suggested the writing was hoaxed.

Over and over, these “discoveries” typically turn out to be far more hype than fact and are trotted out as teasers to promote a new book, TV series or film. And, of course, Dan Brown made millions from his own fictional, conspiracy-laden versions of Jesus’ story — though his premise is claimed by a few writers to be based on fact.

Though Atwill’s claims have yet to be verified by other historians, whatever their consensus it will certainly not resolve the matter. The likelihood that any sort of real, definitive proof about Jesus will suddenly be discovered two millennia after he died (assuming, of course, that he existed) is vanishingly remote. Then again, that’s why religions are based on faith.

 

[DrFever]

A historical scholar claims to have found evidence proving that the story of Jesus as described in the New Testament is a fiction, and that historical claims about Jesus were actually created by Roman aristocrats to control the poor.

According to a news story in The Independent:

“Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled ‘Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus’, asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.”
Atwill’s take on Jesus is of course not new. In 1844 Karl Marx famously declared religion as the opiate of the masses. History is filled with skeptics, freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and other doubters who have questioned religious doctrine and dogma.

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Atwill’s claims are based on what he described as important and revealing parallels between a first-person account of first-century Judea (an ancient Roman province now part of Israel and Palestine) and the New Testament.

“What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of (Emperor) Titus Flavius as described by Josephus,” Atwill wrote in a blog on his web site.

Atwill believes that the story of Jesus was actually copied and created from the biography of the Roman emperor.

 

[trichrider]

1. Whither stumble ye, sots, who have sopped up the wine of ignorance and can so far not carry it that ye already even spew it forth?
Stay ye, be sober, gaze upwards with the [true] eyes of the heart! And if ye cannot all, yet ye at least who can!
For that the ill of ignorance doth pour o`er all the earth and overwhelm the soul that's battened down within the body, preventing it from fetching port within Salvation's harbors.
2. Be ye then not carried off by the fierce flood, but using the shore−current ye who can, make for Salvation's port, and, harboring there, seek ye for one to take you by the hand and lead you unto Gnosis' gates.
Where shines clear Light, of every darkness clean; where not a single soul is drunk, but sober all they gaze with their hearts' eyes on Him who willeth to be seen.
No ear can hear Him, nor can eye see Him, nor tongue speak of Him, but [only] mind and heart.
But first thou must tear off from thee the cloak which thou dost wear − the web of ignorance, the ground of bad, corruption's chain, the carapace of darkness, the living death, sensation's corpse, the tomb thou carriest with thee, the robber in thy house, who through the things he loveth, hateth thee, and through the things he hateth, bears thee malice.
3. Such is the hateful cloak thou wearest − that throttles thee [and holds thee] down to it, in order that thou may'st not gaze above, and having seen the Beauty of the Truth, and Good that dwells therein, detest the bad of it; having found out the plot that it hath schemed against thee, by making void of sense those seeming things which men think senses.
For that it hath with mass of matter blocked them up and crammed them full of loathsome lust, so that thou may'st not hear about the things that thou should'st hear, nor see the things thou should'st see.

excerpt from the Corpus Hermeticum written by Hermes Trismegistus

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/anotherhermeticum.pdf

 

[ghostmade]

Lol ask a story about me it will differ ,person to person. No man is perfect. Also im not tripping .we will all find out one day. Wether its a fuck ya or lights out.either way i feel it will be peaceful.
But i will side with faith. Its quite simple.and thats the beauty of it . believe or dont believe. Cant hurt to try it.
Peace love and prosperity to all of you . believers or not. Just find happy and hold it

 

[DrFever]

Lol ask a story about me it will differ ,person to person. No man is perfect. Also im not tripping .we will all find out one day. Wether its a fuck ya or lights out.either way i feel it will be peaceful.
But i will side with faith. Its quite simple.and thats the beauty of it . believe or dont believe. Cant hurt to try it.
Peace love and prosperity to all of you . believers or not. Just find happy and hold it

Guess that makes sense you are a nobody just as much as Jesus was a nobody thanks for clarifying that least with any importance when you really think about it

 

[igrowone]

...

For example, in 2003 a relics dealer claimed to have discovered a limestone mortuary box that held the remains of Jesus’ brother. The inscription read, “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.”

The find made international news and spawned several documentaries, including one titled “The Lost Tomb of Jesus,” which aired on the Discovery Channel. Further investigation by the Israeli Antiquities Authority concluded that though the ossuary box was authentic, the inscription on it had been faked.
...

timely is your post
was just reading an update on this over on nbcnews.com
a soil analysis of the purported location of the ossuary burial location is showing a match with scrapings from the ossuary
implication being that the ossuary, and its inscription, may have some more credibility
i will be quite neutral on the matter, but was interesting in the timing and our ongoing conversations

 

[genedigger]

that is some serious misinformation you got going on there dr fever.herod wanted all the newborn jewish baby boys put to death thats why mary and joseph were hiding out in a manger and on the move.lukes and matthews acounts are fine if you can be insightful when you read.so one says shepards came to see him and the other says wise men came to see him.seperate parties. that could happen.that star, it wasnt a star if you study the bible and i mean really study it you would find that satan had something to do with the wise men finding jesus and that was satan leading there way.