No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[LEF]

I've had some people tell me I am the reincarnation of christ.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I've had some people tell me I am the reincarnation of christ.

i've been told i was the Antichrist, LOL! don't know what about my appearance set her off, but... lady was a mite psycho though, wrote horror novels.

 

[DrFever]

Gene could happen or did happen is like saying i am going to win the next lottery

 

[ghostmade]

Guess that makes sense you are a nobody just as much as Jesus was a nobody thanks for clarifying that least with any importance when you really think about it

Lol sure thing buddy.

 

[trichrider]

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

research, re-evaluate, resign, reward, redeem, reincarnate, re-do...

 

[armedoldhippy]

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

research, re-evaluate, resign, reward, redeem, reincarnate, re-do...

interesting source, trichrider. i've read a bit ABOUT the Gnostics, but never this material. thanks for posting it...

 

[LEF]

I was looking for a picture of a monkey using a bamboo type straw to suck in and eat bugs, didn't find but I found this video. I couldnt put it in the funny picture thread cause its not a picture nor in the pic chain thread. So I am gonna post it here because there was talk about evolution and evolution to me brings the idea of us coming from monkeys. So I guess we could say these guys are our cousins ? Or maybe ancestors. I find their dexterity and way of being fascinating, they do sort of remind me of us. From what I understand monkeys can have emotions too. It's fascinating that monkeys have their own societies and maybe even their own little traditions.

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I just watched the video again and I gotta say I felt like going out hanging with them.

 

[ghostmade]

Very interesting trichrider.i also thank ya man

 

[ezak420]

As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand.
Josh Billings

 

[RetroGrow]

religions are innate, what is there to judge? They can't make decisions or create themselves, those capacities are mankind's alone.

I do not judge religions because concepts have no responsibility and are not sentient.

I also don't judge people based on belief, but I do call into question their actions.



So I should judge a few billion people (Christians and muslims) with one base blanket judgement based on a view of the middle east sensationalized on CNN.

No need to "sensationalize madness". It is what it is. Everyone can see it, unlike your imaginary gods.

I have met enough rational Christians and Muslims not to be that closed mined.
Sounds like your created a belief system based on network news, not your own personal experience with human beings.

Complete supposition on your part, like most of your diatribe.

Why not tell me how you were directly effected by the religious for not accepting their beliefs?

It effects every facet of life. I have to put up with their fantasies. The list is too long for our purposes. But to be more specific, I had a family member killed in 911. He was a fireman, killed by "religious" lunatics.

Funny, I already posted proof that murder rates are lowest in the religious regions you mention, but you still argue a belief you can't actualize with science.

Tell that to all those slaughtered in the "arab spring" in Syria, et. all. Tell that to the school children slaughtered in Africa. Tell that to all the victims of insanity and their families.

How come you aren't bitching about the belief systems that cause the plague of gang violence in America. What religion is driving that strife?

That's not religion, unless you consider black muslims religious. Fatherless children acting out in the streets. Females having welfare babies with multiple partners, and the state subsidizing them. Flames fanned by the phony reverend race baiters, and the media glorifying violence, making it "cool". It's sickening to me, especially since I live in the city.

a little over 2000 Christians were murdered because of their religion last year.

Gee I wonder what percentage of 7 billion people constitutes 2000, maybe the science geniuses can tell me the chances of getting killed for being Christian versus say getting killed by lightening?

in 2014 about 24,000 people died from lightening.

More Christians died fighting a fake war as American soldiers than have been killed out of religious terrorism.

I wonder whose profiting from all this war and our insanely huge military budget. You read that part of the news too don't you?

I read everything. I am not behind the military industrial complex. I am certainly not profiting from it. G.E. and our President are, but I am not. See Eisenhower's speech, which I have referenced many times in multiple threads.

Insanity is to think that a few people who proclaim to represent a belief represent all the people who believe it, especially based on the scientific knowledge born from those who believed.

Insanity is "believing" in something which has no basis in fact, yet permits the believers to think they have the permission of their god to commit atrocities.


Much larger groups who hide behind their veils and turbans support the violent fanatics, both financially and in spirit. They dance in the streets and cry "death to America". These are not a few people, they are hundreds of millions.

So a "small" number of murdered Christians/Jews/Hindus in the name of god is acceptable to you? How about the holocaust, was that O.K.? The Crusades? O.K.? The Inquisition? The Ku Klux Clan?(bible thumpers). There are many, many, many more examples, as you know, yet for some reason this is acceptable to you. You are in denial, defending your mysticism.
I had a family member murdered in 911. "Only" one person in 3000+, but that's one too many for me. All in the name of religion, or as I prefer to call it, organized insanity.

 

[Weird]

No need to "sensationalize madness". It is what it is. Everyone can see it, unlike your imaginary gods.

My imaginary Gods? ok kreskin tell me what I believe and how I interpret those beliefs.

On top of that yu do not posses the intellectual where with all to interpret things as I do.

Please tell everyone here exactly what I believe or you will prove you make claims you can't keep.

Just like everything else that you evacuate from your mouth.

Complete supposition on your part, like most of your diatribe.

doctoral research and statistics are diatribe? before you start expanding your vocabulary with words I used in my posts learn their proper definitions.

Using big words only works well when you use then succinctly.

Just like logic.

It effects every facet of life. I have to put up with their fantasies. The list is too long for our purposes. But to be more specific, I had a family member killed in 911. He was a fireman, killed by "religious" lunatics.

List too long is a real cop out. It screams you have no real complaint.

NFN I live about an hour from ground zero, I know many people who lost their lives that day, including my buddy's son died in the towers, hes a jew as well. Do you think he hates all muslims now? Don't think that hard about it, hes not intellectually limited. so no he doesn't.

Neither are the children in my kid's school who lost a parent to the tragedy.

Firemen make up a fair contingent of the population here yet NY and the sounds are still a big multi cultural melting pot.

Why not do some population and hate crime statistics and see if you can prove your point with analysis of fact?

Show me this tragedy has caused more racial tensions in the place America suffered terrorism the worst than elsewhere in the world.

Many people including a long list of decorated high ranking military officials are on record as questioning the events leading up and surround this event. It is another rabbit hole, but obviously you are full of shit when you say you read/watch all my references.

Power principle connects the dots in regards to the military complex and the war in the middle east.

You are buying a religious war hook line and sinker based on propaganda.

You are feeling, emotion and opinion and skirt statistics every time I bring them up.

Make sense of the numbers, how come we spend trillions fighting conflicts based on violence that is nominal compared to the violence this country and world suffers due to impoverishment.

You can't so you avoid the reality of it all, and the reality that there is big money in war but not big money in humanitarian aid.

Tell that to all those slaughtered in the "arab spring" in Syria, et. all. Tell that to the school children slaughtered in Africa. Tell that to all the victims of insanity and their families.

OK go into the inner cities and tell the moms of slain kids their pain is not as important as a that of fewer people who are killed because they believe in God.

In all your religious disdain you short change those who lose out not because of belief but economic disadvantage.

But I am sure it is easier to be bitter towards a creed than it is to do something about the world that exists in your own back yard.

That's not religion, unless you consider black muslims religious.

Claiming a religion and being religious are not the same thing.

I don't judge a person's efficiency of belief based on skin color or gender. Not only is it primitive in humanistic terms, it is racist and sexist.

Why not post the science behind that observation Einstein?

Fatherless children acting out in the streets. Females having welfare babies with multiple partners, and the state subsidizing them. Flames fanned by the phony reverend race baiters, and the media glorifying violence, making it "cool". It's sickening to me, especially since I live in the city.

So what do you do to change it? Bitch about religious wars in other countries?

But lets ask the bigger question, why do you think it stays that way?

Is it what the people believe or is it the genetic code of inner city people?

If it is belief, what belief is keeping them trapped in those conditions making those decision?

If it is genetic I expect proof of the claim. I can back up the science behind my observations.

Can you?

Do you realize what you will be implying if you say it is genetic?

I read everything. I am not behind the military industrial complex. I am certainly not profiting from it. G.E. and our President are, but I am not. See Eisenhower's speech, which I have referenced many times in multiple threads.

Well get out of WWII and catch up with here and now.

Watch the power principle, argue documented fact, verifiable fact that you can access the data that it is based upon.

The reason there is strife in the world is poverty, not religion.

I proved it with death rates per country but like every statistics based argument I make you cherry pick what you will respond to so you can continue your fanatical separatist views.

Insanity is "believing" in something which has no basis in fact, yet permits the believers to think they have the permission of their god to commit atrocities.

Numbers are facts, blanket statements regarding believers are opinions. You can back up opinion with fact but it doesn't work the other way around.

Logic, I suggest you subscribe to it.

Much larger groups who hide behind their veils and turbans support the violent fanatics, both financially and in spirit. They dance in the streets and cry "death to America". These are not a few people, they are hundreds of millions.

Really?

You are playing stupid or genetically limited.

Here are US casualties due to terrorism

2013
U.S. citizens overseas killed as a result of incidents of terrorism: 16
U.S. citizens overseas injured as a result of incidents of terrorism: 7
U.S. citizens overseas kidnapped as a result of incidents of terrorism: 12
2012
U.S. citizens worldwide killed as a result of incidents of terrorism: 10
U.S. citizens worldwide injured as a result of incidents of terrorism: 2
U.S. citizens worldwide kidnapped as a result of incidents of terrorism: 3
2011
U.S. citizens worldwide killed as a result of incidents of terrorism: 17
U.S. citizens worldwide injured as a result of incidents of terrorism: 14
U.S. citizens worldwide kidnapped as a result of incidents of terrorism: 3
2010
U.S. citizens worldwide killed as a result of incidents of terrorism: 15
U.S. citizens worldwide injured as a result of incidents of terrorism: 9
U.S. citizens worldwide kidnapped as a result of incidents of terrorism: 0
2009
U.S. citizens worldwide killed as a result of incidents of terrorism: 9
U.S. citizens worldwide injured as a result of incidents of terrorism: 14
U.S. citizens worldwide kidnapped as a result of incidents of terrorism: 4

Millions of rabid american hating mulsims.

Killing more americans than ... than ....

Than cannabis related deaths. Maybe you are on to something.
(don't let that statement go to your head I am being sarcastic)

So a "small" number of murdered Christians/Jews/Hindus in the name of god is acceptable to you? How about the holocaust, was that O.K.? The Crusades? O.K.? The Inquisition? The Ku Klux Clan?(bible thumpers).

The holocaust was genocide of a religion by occultists.

But you merely are proving my point. A very small minority of people take any "belief" including atheism and use it as an excuse to marginalize others.

It is not the concept but how a person interprets it.

Just like how some people believe certain drugs to be safe like pharmaceutical opiates.

There are many, many, many more examples, as you know, yet for some reason this is acceptable to you. You are in denial, defending your mysticism.

I defend the American right to liberty regardless of race, color, creed or gender.

quote]I had a family member murdered in 911. "Only" one person in 3000+, but that's one too many for me. All in the name of religion, or as I prefer to call it, organized insanity.[/quote]

Poor excuse to be irrational and better yet nothing you are saying will change anything but you certainly illustrate the power of the bias of our interpreted life experience on our rational being.

How many people you lose to other causes? How much money is going to change those conditions? are you being taxed to "fix" them as well at the expense of American military lives? And why are you willing to do so blindly?

If religious belief is a disease why isn't it taking more lives than other causes?

Your propaganda is like the USA governments attack on POT.

All fluff, little fact, and all for a personal agenda.

 

[mr.brunch]

So, weird, if you don't mind me asking- what are your beliefs?
Seeing as you are a man of physics and at the same time keep respect for others beliefs, and seem to know a fair bit about them also- I would be interested to know.

Please Feel free to ignore the question if you don't want to speak about it tho.

 

[Jericho Mile]

So, weird, if you don't mind me asking- what are your beliefs?
Seeing as you are a man of physics and at the same time keep respect for others beliefs, and seem to know a fair bit about them also- I would be interested to know.

Please Feel free to ignore the question if you don't want to speak about it tho.

He can't say....really wants to though. There's a reason why this thread doesn't get deleted. If he says..his pass may be revoked. IC Mag taught buddhist...one can guess. It's a syndicate on here.

 

[HempKat]

That must only apply to a very small amount of people though? Surely most people don't really care what others believe in?

Really?

Tens of thousands gathered in St. Peter's Square for Easter Mass in a cold, pouring rain Sunday to hear Pope Francis call for an end to global violence and the persecution of Christians by extremist groups.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/04/05/christians-celebrate-easter/25324249/

 

[trichrider]

IC Mag taught buddhist...one can guess. It's a syndicate on here.

please redirect to those teachings as curiosity implores.
i'm interested in how I missed all that...


The British scholar of Buddhism, Edward Conze, suggests that it had. He points out that "Buddhists were in contact with the Thomas Christians (that is, Christians who knew and used such writings as the Gospel of Thomas) in South India." Trade routes between the Greco-Roman world and the Far East were opening up at the time when gnosticism flourished (A.D. 80-200); for generations, Buddhist missionaries had been proselytizing in Alexandria. We note, too, that Hippolytus, who was a Greek speaking Christian in Rome (c. 225), knows of the Indian Brahmins--and includes their tradition among the sources of heresy:
There is . . . among the Indians a heresy of those who philosophize among the Brahmins, who live a self-sufficient life, abstaining from (eating) living creatures and all cooked food . . . They say that God is light, not like the light one sees, nor like the sun nor fire, but to them God is discourse, not that which finds expression in articulate sounds, but that of knowledge (gnosis) through which the secret mysteries of nature are perceived by the wise.
Could the title of the Gospel of Thomas--named for the disciple who, tradition tells us, went to India--suggest the influence of Indian tradition?
These hints indicate the possibility, yet our evidence is not conclusive. Since parallel traditions may emerge in different cultures at different times, such ideas could have developed in both places independently. What we call Eastern and Western religions, and tend to regard as separate streams, were not clearly differentiated 2,000 years ago. Research on the Nag Hammadi texts is only beginning: we look forward to the work of scholars who can study these traditions comparatively to discover whether they can, in fact, be traced to Indian sources.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Pagels-Gnostic-Gospels.html

 

[Wö£fëñxXx]

Well I respect your right to interpret things how you want and I'm not here to try to argue that your beliefs are wrong or for that matter that mine are right.

It wasn't an interpretation or a belief, You reap what you sow.
True or false?

That being said though, I am disinclined to take the Bible at literal face value. Many like to say the bible is the written word of God. The truth though is it is the written word of various men separated both geographically and historically. Then one day someone, some man decided it would be good to combine it altogether and hold it out to the masses as the written word of God.

It was actually written by 40 different individuals over a period of about 1600 years which was actually Gods doing not mans, man was the ink pen God the author, with which we/man would have an account of His movement in His-story. Otherwise all the fancy story's in that book are just cute disconnected story's which now become more connected.
The moment Christ died on the cross the veil to the temple was torn top to bottom, all of mankind now has access to God once again thru Christ, Jesus is the door you must pass through. So no man can lord it over you. Unless you've been duped. Remember the snake in the garden? he's still here but with no authority, only deception.

Okay so let's assume it is then. If it is and then it should all be taken literally, in other words you can't cherry pick and only focus on that which supports your perception. With that in mind let's focus on Genesis again, specifically were it talks about the lineage of Adam and the lengths of lives. Pretty much everyone, every descendent of Adam lived for close to a thousand years. If true then by the time we reach Noah and the flood most if not all of the 6000 years some believe is the total length of earth's existence has already been used up and yet there are several thousand years of recorded history that comes after Noah and the associated flood.

No man truly knows how old the earth is but we do have a good number on the age of mankind.

The lineage is;

Adam-930 yrs.
Seth-912 yrs.
Enosh-905 yrs
Kenan-910 yrs
Mahalalel- 895 yrs
Jared-962 yrs
Enoch-God took Enoch.
Methuselah-969 yrs. he lived the longest.
Lamech-777 yrs.
Noah-950 yrs.

These are the numbers, you could probably do the math on a napkin.
Using the Septuagint the flood date is 3500-3000-BC. Flood till now is approx. 5000 to 5500yr.

Man was originally created to live forever, and he does, spiritually, check the bones and the written word, they don't lie. What we now call neanderthal-Adam-Noah, the bones we do have are bigger, stronger, more dense/thick and the teeth are much much stronger and designed to last much longer compared to modern man.
In the garden of Eden was also the tree of life, Adam ate of the one tree he was told not to eat, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;
Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!"
(after eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, sin and death would have been bad) lets get them out of the garden. Gen 3:22

Then He modified the DNA strand.

Gen 6:3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years."

The reason for the flood?
Gen 6:5 The LORD observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.

This is from the King James Bible. It makes clear that there were men from some other source and then there were the Son's of God which was the line of Adam. God clearly did not have the same feelings about those men as he did his sons since those men he only allowed to live 120 years max. Further since nobody on earth today lives for close to 1000 years then clearly the line from Adam has died off and what we have now are just men of the earth and not that which was created in God's image when he created Adam.

“….. the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose”. ….”There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (Gen 6:1-4 KJV)

The line of Adam is listed above, the sons of God referred here are Beneha Elohim, angels/fallen angels. Remember the serpent in the garden?
Basically, Satan was infecting mankind with his seed to snuff out the seed God said was going to crush Satans head/authority, (which is what Jesus did on the cross) taking out the first born and some of them went even farther.
Jude 1:6 And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.
That snake is still here but he doesn't want you to believe it, he is the great deceiver. true.

We aren't going to find little green men on other planets.
We are spirit beings living in space, time, and matter with a maker.

 

[waveguide]

The British scholar of Buddhism,

wait stop there that's too funny



who remembers that one quote about "if ya can't something something dazzle them with bullshit"?

ever been in a fight with a quabbalist? how about lots and lots of the rancid fuckers?

 

[Jericho Mile]

please redirect to those teachings as curiosity implores.
i'm interested in how I missed all that...


The British scholar of Buddhism, Edward Conze, suggests that it had. He points out that "Buddhists were in contact with the Thomas Christians (that is, Christians who knew and used such writings as the Gospel of Thomas) in South India." Trade routes between the Greco-Roman world and the Far East were opening up at the time when gnosticism flourished (A.D. 80-200); for generations, Buddhist missionaries had been proselytizing in Alexandria. We note, too, that Hippolytus, who was a Greek speaking Christian in Rome (c. 225), knows of the Indian Brahmins--and includes their tradition among the sources of heresy:
There is . . . among the Indians a heresy of those who philosophize among the Brahmins, who live a self-sufficient life, abstaining from (eating) living creatures and all cooked food . . . They say that God is light, not like the light one sees, nor like the sun nor fire, but to them God is discourse, not that which finds expression in articulate sounds, but that of knowledge (gnosis) through which the secret mysteries of nature are perceived by the wise.
Could the title of the Gospel of Thomas--named for the disciple who, tradition tells us, went to India--suggest the influence of Indian tradition?
These hints indicate the possibility, yet our evidence is not conclusive. Since parallel traditions may emerge in different cultures at different times, such ideas could have developed in both places independently. What we call Eastern and Western religions, and tend to regard as separate streams, were not clearly differentiated 2,000 years ago. Research on the Nag Hammadi texts is only beginning: we look forward to the work of scholars who can study these traditions comparatively to discover whether they can, in fact, be traced to Indian sources.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Pagels-Gnostic-Gospels.html

you were sleeping?...I don't know. God is the light....everything is god...we are all god...god god god god. the great intellectual acceptance. Shall we chant? I know I am.

 

[waveguide]

No man truly knows how old the earth is but we do have a good number on the age of mankind.

The lineage is;

Adam-930 yrs.
Seth-912 yrs.
Enosh-905 yrs
Kenan-910 yrs
Mahalalel- 895 yrs
WinklyBigJobbies - 420 yrs
Jared-962 yrs
Enoch-God took Enoch.
Methuselah-969 yrs. he lived the longest.
Lamech-777 yrs.
Noah-950 yrs.

1 Rishabha Bull Golden
2 Ajitanatha Elephant Golden
3 Sambhavanatha Horse Golden
4 Abhinandananatha Ape Golden
5 Sumatinatha Heron Golden
6 Padmaprabha Lotus Red
7 Suparshvanatha Swastika Golden
8 Chandraprabha Moon White
9 Pushpadanta Dolphin or Makara (sea dragon) White
10 Shitalanatha Shrivatsa Golden
11 Shreyanasanatha Rhinoceros Golden
12 Vasupujya Buffalo Red
13 Vimalanatha Boar Golden
14 Anantanatha Hawk or ram or bear Golden
15 Dharmanatha Thunderbolt Golden
16 Shantinatha Antelope or deer Golden
17 Kunthunatha Goat Golden
18 Aranatha Nandyavarta or fish Golden
19 Mallinatha Water jug Blue
20 Munisuvrata Tortoise Black
21 Naminatha Blue lotus Golden
22 Neminatha Conch shell Black
23 Parshvanatha Snake Green
24 Mahavira Lion Golden

not only are the tirthankars older and longer lived, they're also much, much taller. you take your team out on the field and they'll get all squished up matey mate.

today's advice: stay home, post on the internet, ignore any information conflicting with your world view so you are safe and comfortable, right. safe as houses.

 

[Jericho Mile]

wait stop there that's too funny



who remembers that one quote about "if ya can't something something dazzle them with bullshit"?

ever been in a fight with a quabbalist? how about lots and lots of the rancid fuckers?

rancid fuckers. I like that one.

Glad to see you made it through another night.