No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[armedoldhippy]

Actually, I am nothing like them, and I don't need a weak, superstitious fairy tale to "fall back on". Glad you amused yourself and 3 other creationist morons. You're in good company. You should all form a circle now, and pray to your imaginary deities, sadistic fallacies that they are. Maybe they will reward you in the "afterlife", if their was an "afterlife", which term is an oxymoron. I understand that people are deeply afraid of death, and so they have a need to create a fantasy about life after death, where they will meet all their departed loved ones who are taking a dirt nap.
Apparently you have issues with the meaning of death.

yes, you are exactly like them, allowing your hatred of them to color your perceptions of others. no, dimwit, I am not a creationist. I also have no imaginary deities, nor sadistic fallacies. I am not afraid of death, and the way I have lived my life shows it clearly. I know EXACTLY how death works, having dealt out quite a bit of it in a lifetime spent in the woods, and seeing many friends /relatives die, as well as others in car wrecks etc. maybe you could use a viewing of the "DMT-The Spirit Molecule" on Netflix right now. you sure need SOMETHING, whatever it is that you profess to believe has left you one of the most bitter and unbalanced folks I have ever run across in my life. good luck...

 

[Weird]

Actually, I am nothing like them, and I don't need a weak, superstitious fairy tale to "fall back on". Glad you amused yourself and 3 other creationist morons. You're in good company. You should all form a circle now, and pray to your imaginary deities, sadistic fallacies that they are. Maybe they will reward you in the "afterlife", if their was an "afterlife", which term is an oxymoron. I understand that people are deeply afraid of death, and so they have a need to create a fantasy about life after death, where they will meet all their departed loved ones who are taking a dirt nap.
Apparently you have issues with the meaning of death.

Apparently you have issues with the meaning of context, relativity and humanity.

You reap what you sow, enjoy your life you deserve it.

 

[Weird]

I was reading thru some quotes this morning and stumbled on one I thought particularly applicable to this discussion.

You never know "the" truth, you know "a" truth.

Now this is not a critique but a observational commentary, I wanted to comment on this, because this helps illustrate the human condition, and why some people argue and never seem to get it while others do (this has nothing to do with gnostics and everything to do with our own underlying humanity).

Simply put, from our individual human perspective we are subject to two types of truths.

Relative truths and universal truths.

I have a simple example that I like to use but please don't limit it to this.

A man stands in the US and a man is standing Australia.

If they both look up at the same time will they see the same thing?

Both will see the sky, but for one it will be a nighttime sky and one it will be a daytime sky.

They will always be looking at the same cosmology but always from differing points of view.

That is because of the dimensional aspect of our universe.

If you look at most of the polarization in the forums, you will find it contains mostly people arguing from relative points of view.

Knowing how to recognize the difference between relative and universal perspectives, avoiding unproductive comparisons of relative views, instead putting them into relative context with the universe (universal truth) upon which they are subject too.

 

[waveguide]

i've never been overwhelmingly given to any but the most cursorily athletic endeavours,

watching some people handle logic,

i can see why JM spends a lot of time, somewhere else, endlessly running..

 

[HempKat]

Hempkat we must be cut from the same cloth.i used to dwell and question existence and god.then one day right after my baby was born,i realized you get what you believe in.

Yeah we do sound the same although to clarify let me add something. The idea I describe about the afterlife being whatever we believe it to be is based on this. A crazy person for example might believe that fairies live and play active roles in our world. Now to you and me this might seem clearly ridiculous because we see no evidence of fairies but neither would we see any proof they don't exist. Therefore, for the crazy person these fairies would be as real as anything else. It doesn't matter to the crazy person what others do or don't believe since the crazy person does not experience life thru the same camera lens of perception that others do. For the crazy person it's reality though because that's what his lens reveals.

Now also into this I'm kind of factoring in how we dream. It's possible to have dreams where you feel hours, days, perhaps weeks or even months pass but in reality that dream no matter how long it seems, only lasts a few seconds. Therefore who is to say that in the seconds before death our minds don't create an afterlife based on our beliefs at that moment, that seems infinite?

 

[HempKat]

I, personally am a practical kind of guy, if it barks it's a dog, if it quacks it's a duck, with that said God was very specific in Gen 1:26 when He said "Let us make man in our image and in our likeness".
He was very specific when He made the beast of the field, the birds of the air, the fish of the sea and all the creeps that creep on the ground, with every tree and green herb and plant bearing seed after its kind.

Everything produces after "its" kind.
The seed to a thing is within itself. amazing.

You plant canna seed, you get canna.
You plant corn, you get corn.
You plant wheat you get wheat.

I planted my seed in the misses I got children that are now adults and many of you have done the same.

I know this stuff isn't popular here in canna land, I'll now tip toe on out and carry on with my buisness.

Happy resurrection day, and God bless.

Well I respect your right to interpret things how you want and I'm not here to try to argue that your beliefs are wrong or for that matter that mine are right.

That being said though, I am disinclined to take the Bible at literal face value. Many like to say the bible is the written word of God. The truth though is it is the written word of various men separated both geographically and historically. Then one day someone, some man decided it would be good to combine it altogether and hold it out to the masses as the written word of God.

Okay so let's assume it is then. If it is and then it should all be taken literally, in other words you can't cherry pick and only focus on that which supports your perception. With that in mind let's focus on Genesis again, specifically were it talks about the lineage of Adam and the lengths of lives. Pretty much everyone, every descendent of Adam lived for close to a thousand years. If true then by the time we reach Noah and the flood most if not all of the 6000 years some believe is the total length of earth's existence has already been used up and yet there are several thousand years of recorded history that comes after Noah and the associated flood.

More importantly though I want to focus on a particular verse from that section of Genesis. Chapter 6 verses 1-4

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This is from the King James Bible. It makes clear that there were men from some other source and then there were the Son's of God which was the line of Adam. God clearly did not have the same feelings about those men as he did his sons since those men he only allowed to live 120 years max. Further since nobody on earth today lives for close to 1000 years then clearly the line from Adam has died off and what we have now are just men of the earth and not that which was created in God's image when he created Adam.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Interesting stuff HempKat.

Heinlein wrote about a race of people with impossibly long life spans that hid their nature from normal men for fear of the violent reactions born of jealously. Pretty interesting story. One character had lived so long and had sex with so many woman that almost everyone was in some way related to him.

There's also a movie I really enjoyed called The Man From Earth about a cave man that just never dies. He learns to constantly move on before anyone notices that he never grows old. The movie is set in the present day. He is now a college professor and the time has come to move on. He tries to do a fade, but his colleagues hunt him down for a going away party. He decides to tell them his story. I found it very engrossing.

 

[Jericho Mile]

zombie worshipping. think about that.

 

[Weird]

http://psp.sagepub.com/content/41/4/513.abstract

Buddhist Concepts as Implicitly Reducing Prejudice and Increasing Prosociality


Abstract

Does Buddhism really promote tolerance? Based on cross-cultural and cross-religious evidence, we hypothesized that Buddhist concepts, possibly differing from Christian concepts, activate not only prosociality but also tolerance. Subliminally priming Buddhist concepts, compared with neutral or Christian concepts, decreased explicit prejudice against ethnic, ideological, and moral outgroups among Western Buddhists who valued universalism (Experiment 1, N = 116). It also increased spontaneous prosociality, and decreased, among low authoritarians or high universalists, implicit religious and ethnic prejudice among Westerners of Christian background (Experiment 2, N = 128) and Taiwanese of Buddhist/Taoist background (Experiment 3, N = 122). Increased compassion and tolerance of contradiction occasionally mediated some of the effects. The general idea that religion promotes (ingroup) prosociality and outgroup prejudice, based on research in monotheistic contexts, lacks cross-cultural sensitivity; Buddhist concepts activate extended prosociality and tolerance of outgroups, at least among those with socio-cognitive and moral openness.

 

[mr.brunch]

That sounds like it was written by a social worker.

 

[Weird]

that was written by research scientists

this was written by social workers

http://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/christianophobia/

Christianophobia

A freedom to choose or privately express your own religion is a trait commonly seen in nearly all developed countries or colonies. Though, there are still areas of the world in which unfair biases still exist which may lead to an intense hatred or avoidance of religions outside of their own. This can even lead to violent outbreaks or unfair treatment of those with opposing viewpoints. Christianophobia deals with the extreme fear of Christians or the Christian faith. While not commonly seen in the United States, this phobia has been fairly predominant throughout the rest of the world.

Symptoms of Christianophobia

There are several ways to spot someone who may be christianophobic. If you or someone you know experience one of the following viewpoints, consider seeking professional therapy or external help in dealing with the situation:

Conflicting religious views that lead to an intolerance of other religions outside of their own.

An irrational fear that Christians are conforming together to take over the majority of the world.

A fear that if Christians are not “stopped” they will do the same to their own religion.

Avoidance of Christians

Radically violent or complete intolerance of the Christian religion.

Common Facts About Christianophobia

While christianophobia does exist in some small pockets of the Untied States, it is much more commonly experienced in areas of the world where Christianity is not the primary religion. This fear does not only include those specifically expressing Christian faith but also to those who “support” the “Christian agenda.” This fear can be so severe it may cause christianophobes to start to avoid or even attack anyone who is expressing an external viewpoint. It is important to remember that this phobia is not something commonly seen in an individual. It is usually rooted in a group, where individuals pickup the viewpoint and carry it into their own personal lives.

Christianophobia cannot only hold you back in your life, it can also hold back others around you. This condition is not only an extreme or irrational fear of Christian people, it is usually coupled with a hatred of their religion. As a result, it leads to an unfair demeanor towards someone’s right for a personal choice. The tolerance of other religions has recently become a relatively significant issue in our society.

Making the effort for conquer the phobia will make a huge difference in your personal life, usually resulting in a more calm and collected composure in previously perceived stressful situations. If you are ready to make this positive change, on both a personal and social level, do some preliminary Internet research to find the best treatment options available locally to you.

 

[trichrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU

[YOUTUBEIF]HtExkh6ZiNU[/YOUTUBEIF]

interesting information on religions etc.

 

[mr.brunch]

That must only apply to a very small amount of people though? Surely most people don't really care what others believe in?

 

[mr.brunch]

Phobia is a word that gets used too often , in my opinion.
I mean, if someone really does have an irrational fear of Christians they may need psychological help

 

[Weird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU

[youtubeif]HtExkh6ZiNU[/youtubeif]

interesting information on religions etc.

knew it was about hermetics by reading the title

 

[igrowone]

http://psp.sagepub.com/content/41/4/513.abstract

Buddhist Concepts as Implicitly Reducing Prejudice and Increasing Prosociality


Abstract

Does Buddhism really promote tolerance? ...

i don't have disagreement with this thought per se
but it may reflect a grass is greener on the other side of the cultural fence
if you read some of the history of buddhism, wars were fought with great enthusiasm
carnage enough to satisfy jack the ripper
now is the more recent vintage a more peaceful religion? maybe
or maybe we're all getting a little more peaceful
evolution selects the fittest, and the violent do seem to winnow themselves out of the equation

 

[DrFever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU

[YOUTUBEIF]HtExkh6ZiNU[/YOUTUBEIF]

interesting information on religions etc.

Well that proves beyond a reasonable doubt how the fairy tale of jesus was made
this morning i swear to GOD lmao i took a shit and it looked just like the fairy tale pictures of jesus weird huh i wonder if i should of kept it possibly being a sign put it on display and make millions for admission

 

[Jericho Mile]

that was written by research scientists

this was written by social workers

http://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/christianophobia/

Christianophobia

A freedom to choose or privately express your own religion is a trait commonly seen in nearly all developed countries or colonies. Though, there are still areas of the world in which unfair biases still exist which may lead to an intense hatred or avoidance of religions outside of their own. This can even lead to violent outbreaks or unfair treatment of those with opposing viewpoints. Christianophobia deals with the extreme fear of Christians or the Christian faith. While not commonly seen in the United States, this phobia has been fairly predominant throughout the rest of the world.

Symptoms of Christianophobia

There are several ways to spot someone who may be christianophobic. If you or someone you know experience one of the following viewpoints, consider seeking professional therapy or external help in dealing with the situation:

Conflicting religious views that lead to an intolerance of other religions outside of their own.

An irrational fear that Christians are conforming together to take over the majority of the world.

A fear that if Christians are not “stopped” they will do the same to their own religion.

Avoidance of Christians

Radically violent or complete intolerance of the Christian religion.

Common Facts About Christianophobia

While christianophobia does exist in some small pockets of the Untied States, it is much more commonly experienced in areas of the world where Christianity is not the primary religion. This fear does not only include those specifically expressing Christian faith but also to those who “support” the “Christian agenda.” This fear can be so severe it may cause christianophobes to start to avoid or even attack anyone who is expressing an external viewpoint. It is important to remember that this phobia is not something commonly seen in an individual. It is usually rooted in a group, where individuals pickup the viewpoint and carry it into their own personal lives.

Christianophobia cannot only hold you back in your life, it can also hold back others around you. This condition is not only an extreme or irrational fear of Christian people, it is usually coupled with a hatred of their religion. As a result, it leads to an unfair demeanor towards someone’s right for a personal choice. The tolerance of other religions has recently become a relatively significant issue in our society.

Making the effort for conquer the phobia will make a huge difference in your personal life, usually resulting in a more calm and collected composure in previously perceived stressful situations. If you are ready to make this positive change, on both a personal and social level, do some preliminary Internet research to find the best treatment options available locally to you.

wow. and you don't call this a "reach"?

How about people that believe that some dead dude who then was reanimated to life ...from way back when...is their savior:

need to be watched...because clearly..something is off about them. no phobia there. more like self preservation...as apparently..there are a lot of them who believe in this story. sounds like some christian propaganda/sermon to justify keeping their eyes closed to some very obvious flaws in their beliefs.

You can not ignore that. Tell yourself the christian story..and not find it ridiculous. you can not. not if you are sane.

I can't understand how you are getting away with it, dude. I really don't. Must be the IC chanting syndicate that lets it slide

 

[barnyard]

people confuse meaning with reality

 

[Weird]

wow. and you don't call this a "reach"?

How about people that believe that some dead dude who then was reanimated to life ...from way back when...is their savior:

need to be watched...because clearly..something is off about them. no phobia there. more like self preservation...as apparently..there are a lot of them who believe in this story. sounds like some christian propaganda/sermon to justify keeping their eyes closed to some very obvious flaws in their beliefs.

You can not ignore that. Tell yourself the christian story..and not find it ridiculous. you can not. not if you are sane.

I can't understand how you are getting away with it, dude. I really don't.

I have been posting perceptions from both science and various dogmas to illustrate the causation of belief.

I have yet to ask why someone believes in what they believe or judge them based on it.

I simply ask people to provide evidence it is the belief system and not the believer that is faulty in these cases.

Where is the evidence that it is the belief system and not the believer that is faulty?