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I think that if you are to judge a concept on its influence on history alone you need to bring in its positive influence as well.
Combine the influence of evolution as you mentioned and understand that belief evolves within us during our individual lifetimes as well as over the course of generations.
Interestingly enough within buddhist and dogmatic texts is the observation that the concepts themselves will not take place without the abstract of time which implies that we need to evolve in order to properly practice them, which is in process.
But as far as judging a belief based on its negative effect on humanity, how many deaths were caused by scientific creations?
What weaponry in the past few centuries wasn't a result of the scientific process?
Is it science (belief) that makes us evil or is evil and good expressed by us as a matter of choice regardless of what be believe in (science, religion, anarchy, etc)
Nope..you have not asked the whys or whats..but you are pushing those buttons...like a little legal loop hole. don't play innocent.
for sure...you can flip these pages..and read people's whys and whats....and I think you know..
your answers. both are faulty because beliefs are man made concepts.
what do you need evidence for?...an argument? is that what these people are doing?..trying to supply you evidence...or arguing their opinions?
the thread is full of religion bashing and religion promoting...with a bit of YouTube/science thrown in for appearances. that's how it reads to me.
I'm trying to understand your fascination. I'm assuming it's of personal relevance to you.
perfectly good points
i was just trying to focus on whether peaceful outcomes(or the lack thereof) are a correlation or a causation
which would be very difficult to prove
the benefit side that you refer to makes for an even more complex analysis
since i've cracked the lid on a evolution/religion connection, here's a follow up
man(and woman) are much aware of their mortality, death is in our thoughts daily
some biologists have suggested this must be a very anxiety inducing situation
therefore religion appeared as a needed therapy for the unhappy race
without it, we literally become sick, anxiety gnaws at our minds until it pushes us over the edge
perhaps religions are false, but we still need them
man(and woman) are much aware of their mortality, death is in our thoughts daily
some biologists have suggested this must be a very anxiety inducing situation
therefore religion appeared as a needed therapy for the unhappy race
without it, we literally become sick, anxiety gnaws at our minds until it pushes us over the edge
perhaps religions are false, but we still need them
It is not our thoughts that define us it is our actions that do.
What a person believes in is not what defines them but the actions born of that belief.
I believe that every perspective contains both relative (personal) and ultimate (universal) truth in regards to humanity and I also believe there is no practical value to judgement.
The bias against religious belief here is intellectually as limiting as racism.
People aren't even atheist but anti religious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antireligion
Antireligion is opposition to religion. Antireligion is distinct from atheism (the absence of a belief in deities) and antitheism (an opposition to belief in deities), although antireligionists may be atheists or antitheists. The term may be used to describe opposition to organized religion, or to describe a broader opposition to any form of belief in the supernatural or the divine.
You are asking the wrong question to begin with.
Jesus was historically real, but was he the son of God?
Was he conceived of immaculate birth?
Is there conclusive proof of God?
But lets face it you know and I know it is like arguing what condensed the mass that expanding during the big bang.
We do not have the tools to know.
You can't prove belief systems and they do not need to be conclusive to allow for people to function and contribute to society or science that matter as I illustrated in this tread.
That is the point.
arguing personal beliefs as if they needed to be homogenous in order for us to function is counter intuitive to the reality around us that illustrates differently.
Good evening everyone
This thread is a little dangerous I find.
To me, islam seems a little dangerous too but I am not a darker skinned person. Seems like a religion for the darker skin folks. (Arabs, africans) I know african-americans have taken up that faith in numbers and northern africa is muslim, indonesia is 90% muslim.
You know as much as I sometimes talk about inequality with men and women and feel that men are disadvantaged, I am not sure I would want women to start getting cloaked/veiled. And not because I would miss out on their beauty but I do have and have had fun times with females. If you want to put on a veil, its your choice i guess. And then they would not be able to have a license or drive. I don't think i'd want to make them slaves, since I am already used to things being like this, and they probably are too.
We'll see how it goes.
I guess there are advantages to Islam but what kind of place do non-arabs/non-africans have in a world dominated by muslims ?
This thread is a little dangerous I find.
To me, islam seems a little dangerous too but I am not a darker skinned person. Seems like a religion for the darker skin folks. (Arabs, africans) I know african-americans have taken up that faith in numbers and northern africa is muslim, indonesia is 90% muslim.
You know as much as I sometimes talk about inequality with men and women and feel that men are disadvantaged, I am not sure I would want women to start getting cloaked/veiled. And not because I would miss out on their beauty but I do have and have had fun times with females. If you want to put on a veil, its your choice i guess. And then they would not be able to have a license or drive. I don't think i'd want to make them slaves, since I am already used to things being like this, and they probably are too.
We'll see how it goes.
I guess there are advantages to Islam but what kind of place do non-arabs/non-africans have in a world dominated by muslims ?
Well, that clinches it!
You win the prize for the dumbest post I have read to date. You even beat out genedigger, no easy task.
I can't imagine how wasted you must have been when you posted it, but it's remarkably idiotic. If you weren't wasted, then you are even more idiotic, and psychology is definitely not your calling.
Now in your world, calling someone "idiotic" makes me "hostile". However, in my view, it's just my way of telling the truth. I could care less about political correctness. I am not filtered. I actually say what I am thinking, and I am thinking that you are truly clueless, and your veiled attempts at insults, as you twist around what I actually said, are kind of pathetic.
I can only laugh at your misguided analysis.
Never meant to insult you retrogrow, just stated that I perceived you same way as OP.
But you have taken no restraint in attacking my person right ?
What you said to me, I brushed it off, because again you have become hostile. I understand if you took offense to what I said, I would probably get defensive too if i thought i was being insulted. But like I said, didnt mean to insult you.
Sounds like you are good at attacking people with words, you are good at destruction. Creating, destroying, you dont like creations ? You prefer destructions ?
I get impression you are not happy.
Happy people dont go attacking people, its usually the miserable ones.
Maybe we have misunderstood each other, writing is not most efficient of communications. I really feel like your posts are hostile. Just look at your recent one.
So basically are you saying you are the keeper of the truth ?
I think that's why i and others might perceive you as arrogant and intolerant, because you believe you hold the truth.
Well wishes retrogrow, we dont have to agree about there being something out there, i respect you believing there is nothing and i enjoy your posts in general.
But you have taken no restraint in attacking my person right ?
What you said to me, I brushed it off, because again you have become hostile. I understand if you took offense to what I said, I would probably get defensive too if i thought i was being insulted. But like I said, didnt mean to insult you.
Sounds like you are good at attacking people with words, you are good at destruction. Creating, destroying, you dont like creations ? You prefer destructions ?
I get impression you are not happy.
Happy people dont go attacking people, its usually the miserable ones.
Maybe we have misunderstood each other, writing is not most efficient of communications. I really feel like your posts are hostile. Just look at your recent one.
So basically are you saying you are the keeper of the truth ?
I think that's why i and others might perceive you as arrogant and intolerant, because you believe you hold the truth.
Well wishes retrogrow, we dont have to agree about there being something out there, i respect you believing there is nothing and i enjoy your posts in general.
false advocate
"we will lead every revolution against us" - zionist theodor herzl
cosmology, bloody simple really. doesn't need a whole lot of words.
Or I don't believe there is a benefit to prejudice
if there is spell it out
in allegory or directly whichever your preference
"Belief" is code for superstition. Not based in reality.
If you want to judge religions, while ignoring the extermination of countless millions who don't accept their "beliefs" (actions born of those "beliefs"), then I maintain that you are being disingenuous. People, now, and throughout history, are/have been slaughtering one another over their superstitions, or "beliefs", as you prefer to call them. Since you already played the "race card", I maintain that religion is a type of racism. "My god's better than your god", and if you don't agree, I will slaughter you.
Look at the world today, and tell me there is not a war between religions. Islam is at war with Christianity and Judaism. They are exterminating Christians, and want to annihilate Judaism. They are at war with anyone who doesn't accept their imaginary deity. This is insanity on a massive scale. The war of the womb is real. It is Islam's intent to take over and dominate the world, and to exterminate the "infidels". And where do they get this idea? From an illiterate murderer and pedophile who they claim to be their prophet.
Do you not see the insanity in all of this?
Suicide bombings, beheadings, burning people alive, subjugating females, promoting sharia law....all these things are a part of their barbaric belief system, their war. Please don't act as if these things are in some way sane or justifiable.
Hence: anti-theism, or, "I don't want to believe, I want to know".
religions are innate, what is there to judge? They can't make decisions or create themselves, those capacities are mankind's alone.
I do not judge religions because concepts have no responsibility and are not sentient.
I also don't judge people based on belief, but I do call into question their actions.
So I should judge a few billion people (Christians and muslims) with one base blanket judgement based on a view of the middle east sensationalized on CNN.
I have met enough rational Christians and Muslims not to be that closed mined.
Sounds like your created a belief system based on network news, not your own personal experience with human beings.
Why not tell me how you were directly effected by the religious for not accepting their beliefs?
Some people believe in God some believe the news on television, guess what common denominator is belief not experiential reality.
Funny, I already posted proof that murder rates are lowest in the religious regions you mention, but you still argue a belief you can't actualize with science.
How come you aren't bitching about the belief systems that cause the plague of gang violence in America. What religion is driving that strife?
Really?
a little over 2000 Christians were murdered because of their religion last year.
Gee I wonder what percentage of 7 billion people constitutes 2000, maybe the science geniuses can tell me the chances of getting killed for being Christian versus say getting killed by lightening?
in 2014 about 24,000 people died from lightening.
More Christians died fighting a fake war as American soldiers than have been killed out of religious terrorism.
I wonder whose profiting from all this war and our insanely huge military budget. You read that part of the news too don't you?
The insanity in you judging a conflict you haven't seen with your own eyes by people you haven't met?
Insanity is to think that a few people who proclaim to represent a belief represent all the people who believe it, especially based on the scientific knowledge born from those who believed.
Your perception is not in line with reality it on your own conclusions, your own personal belief system.
Issac Newton came to know, and his belief was a catalyst as it was for many of the sciences founding fathers who helped develop the sciences (that conclusive knowing you so long to possess).
Dude..I'm just going to say it...in case you've hidden it from yourself: you are full of shit. You're simply batting the ball back and forth looking for reasons to excuse a bunch of dumbfounded dip shits...and cater to your own personal idealism. that's all this is...a different flavor of kool aid...but still...it's just kool aid.
are you fighting a war or what? I'm failing to see how your time spent on these boards (and others) is correcting your perceived slights to humanity. I really hope you are not sacrificing too much..risking too much...by spending your time on a computer battling the evil empire.
Google is jesus a historical fact. He is scientifically a fact.no one can deny his existence. But wether you believe he is what he claims he is,is entirely up to you. Remember the Romans where recording history for along time. Also the ark of the covenant real.its in a Monastery somewhere i know a person who has seen it.
You can try and belittle faith,reject it,ignore it.
Most likely because you feel like it has belittled you,rejected you for who your are,and ignored by its followers.
Just know this. We're all indoctrinated by an external reality. And we're cleansed by an eternal reality. In other words.we are what comes out of us,not whats is put into us.
Im constantly being feed negative shit.but im always spitting up positive lava.lol
Another example is cannbis.everbody and there mother will tell you its evil or a drug.but we know the truth,its a wonderful plant.it has so much to offer.it can save the world.but it is rejected why?it is in conflict with the will of men.not god or the nature of the universe what ever you wanna call the life force of existence.the conductor of evry molecule.
Any ways be easy evrybody.hope yall f8nd peace
more pearls, same swine. "and the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round..." while the bus lies in the ditch on its roof, bodies strewn about, the injured moaning, with gas dripping onto the ground...
No
If people were talking shit about people for skin color I would be carrying myself the same way.
IF you think that the billions of people who have religious beliefs are dumbfounded dip shits simply because of their beliefs than that simply says volumes about you as a person.
Prejudice without reason or cause? yes it is.
Like I said to Retro, what have you experienced personally to give you such an opinion? real life strife with religious people?
Do you have a real experience that could be used to justify how you feel?
Or is it based on what the tv told you?
A real man with integrity would answer this, most people don't answer these questions when I ask them because they simply don't have any real experience themselves.
If you don't have personal experience of religious strife caused to you maybe you can actualize with the numbers out there the extent of pain caused by religion.
Hint, its not religion.
Some sorry ass ignorant pot heads out there, prejudice is for the weak minded.
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