No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[HempKat]

the only war that is a real religious war is whats happening right now with islam in the middle east.every other war in history had other factors involved which were not religious.world war 1 and 2 were not started and fought because of a religious conflict.please study history some more and dont except the bullshit idea of history that was spoon fed to you by the education system of america

Generally when one refers to religious wars they're usually harkening back a bit further then WW I or II. It's typically a reference to the Holy Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition, two times in Christian history when unspeakable torture was inflicted on anyone not getting on board with how the ruling class saw things.

 

[DrFever]

Ask your self how the Vatican can be so corrupt and get away with it i give shit if a person believes in a God or after life or comic books
but when you turn on the Tube on a sun and every channel has some bible thumping gossip going on ask your self where has a spirit gone And doesn't Jesus or GOD say thou shall not used my name blah blah meaning what there doing on TV or even in church asking for money ???? WRONG
And again ask your self who in the hell would stone someone to death as this person mentions if there really was a Jesus then wouldn't it be more peace full religion rather then barbaric
So many flaws in the BIBLE any person who was bias would eventually say What BS this really is
And the people that believe are blind and will not even use common sense
To me you been brain washed

 

[Weird]

take your sats a lil longer

 

[waveguide]

there is a potential resolve where all these conflicting concepts are reconciled gracefully

the riddle is where does it lie?

pass to the left

 

[Weird]

or it is a simple riddle

conflict is a construct of one's own perception so the graceful resolve also lies within

 

[HempKat]

I was reading thru some quotes this morning and stumbled on one I thought particularly applicable to this discussion.

You never know "the" truth, you know "a" truth.

 

[trichrider]

Public Release: 2-Apr-2015

Hubble finds ghosts of quasars past


ESA/Hubble Information Centre

The NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope has imaged a set of enigmatic quasar ghosts -- ethereal green objects which mark the graves of these objects that flickered to life and then faded. The eight unusual looped structures orbit their host galaxies and glow in a bright and eerie goblin-green hue. They offer new insights into the turbulent pasts of these galaxies.

The ethereal wisps in these images were illuminated, perhaps briefly, by a blast of radiation from a quasar -- a very luminous and compact region that surrounds a supermassive black hole at the centre of a galaxy. Galactic material falls inwards towards the central black hole, growing hotter and hotter, forming a bright and brilliant quasar with powerful jets of particles and energy beaming above and below the disc of infalling matter.

In each of these eight images a quasar beam has caused once-invisible filaments in deep space to glow through a process called photoionisation. Oxygen, helium, nitrogen, sulphur and neon in the filaments absorb light from the quasar and slowly re-emit it over many thousands of years. Their unmistakable emerald hue is caused by ionised oxygen, which glows green.

These ghostly structures are so far from the galaxy's heart that it would have taken light from the quasar tens of thousands of years to reach them and light them up. So, although the quasars themselves have turned off, the green clouds will continue to glow for much longer before they too fade.

Not only are the green filaments far from the centres of their host galaxies, they are also immense in size, spanning tens of thousands of light-years. They are thought to be long tails of gas formed during a violent past merger (between galaxies) -- this event would have caused strong gravitational forces that would rip apart the galactic participants.

Despite their turbulent past, these ghostly filaments are now leisurely orbiting within or around their new host galaxies. These Hubble images show bright, braided and knotted streams of gas, in some cases connected to twisted lanes of dark dust.

Galactic mergers do not just alter the forms of the previously serene galaxies involved; they also trigger extreme cosmic phenomena. Such a merger could also have caused the birth of a quasar, by pouring material into the galaxies' supermassive black holes.

The first object of this type was found in 2007 by Dutch schoolteacher Hanny van Arkel (heic1102). She discovered the ghostly structure in the online Galaxy Zoo project, a project enlisting the help of the public to classify more than a million galaxies catalogued in the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS). The bizarre feature was dubbed Hanny's Voorwerp (Dutch for Hanny's object).

These objects were found in a spin-off of the Galaxy Zoo project, in which about 200 volunteers examined over 16 000 galaxy images in the SDSS to identify the best candidates for clouds similar to Hanny's Voorwerp. A team of researchers analysed these and found a total of twenty galaxies that had gas ionised by quasars. Their results appear in a paper in the Astronomical Journal.

Those featured here are (from left to right on top row) the Teacup (more formally known as 2MASX J14302986+1339117), NGC 5972, 2MASX J15100402+0740370 and UGC 7342, and (from left to right on bottom row) NGC 5252, Mrk 1498, UGC 11185 and 2MASX J22014163+1151237.

 

[igrowone]

ahh, the sounds of religious strife, what can you do?
here's a small vignette about Einstein, maybe relevant
Einstein was a smart guy, no argument there, but smart doesn't mean flawless
not in the personal sense as Einstein's foibles in his family life are well known
but in his physics
e = mc^2, a true statement, cutting edge at the time
the mathematical proof in the original paper had a flaw though
Max Planck(i think) provided a correction, as did some other physicist whose name eludes me(and history)
but Einstein liked to do things his own way
produced a 2nd proof, which also ended up being shown as flawed
and a third, and that too was wrong
and a 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th - each of which had flaws
and he was dead after that
read about about it in the interesting book, Einstein's Mistakes

 

[DrFever]

Einstien da idiot lol i rather watch this

I honestly think we will find life on a alien planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hpgaotU8xE

 

[mr.brunch]

 

[armedoldhippy]

Isn't that what we jokingly refer to as "Morning Wood"?

"standing for the Queen", as Mr. Brunch might put it...

 

[RetroGrow]

To me you been brain washed

Brain washed, or brain damaged?

 

[RetroGrow]

gosh, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it? you sound JUST LIKE THEM, only with no religion to fall back on...

Actually, I am nothing like them, and I don't need a weak, superstitious fairy tale to "fall back on". Glad you amused yourself and 3 other creationist morons. You're in good company. You should all form a circle now, and pray to your imaginary deities, sadistic fallacies that they are. Maybe they will reward you in the "afterlife", if their was an "afterlife", which term is an oxymoron. I understand that people are deeply afraid of death, and so they have a need to create a fantasy about life after death, where they will meet all their departed loved ones who are taking a dirt nap.
Apparently you have issues with the meaning of death.

 

[redlaser]

Don't think Hippy is especially religious but maybe he is

 

[ghostmade]

Energy is not created nor destroyed.its only transformed. Our conscientiousness is animating this clay vessel.you do understand we are all powered by the sun correct?anyways i wont delve into that but Retro,it seems like you got negative/hateful attitude towards people who believe in a supreme being.why that? Was your family catholic.lol
Seriously though, really think about it. At least your aditude towards the people who exercise faith. It really saves people lives. Not just the believers.but random people who are in need. Just chill man.i dont look down at ya man.i just look down when i here your tone about religion.
Good luck with your eternal nothingness for eternity,i hope you can maintain a good healthy and positive outlook on life. 8f one thing science teaches us is that anything is possibal. Did you know the soul can be weighed?google it
Remember your conscientiousness is a form of energy. Any ways hope you enjoy your life man.really do. And i hope you hope the same for others.

 

[HempKat]

Actually, I am nothing like them, and I don't need a weak, superstitious fairy tale to "fall back on". Glad you amused yourself and 3 other creationist morons. You're in good company. You should all form a circle now, and pray to your imaginary deities, sadistic fallacies that they are. Maybe they will reward you in the "afterlife", if their was an "afterlife", which term is an oxymoron. I understand that people are deeply afraid of death, and so they have a need to create a fantasy about life after death, where they will meet all their departed loved ones who are taking a dirt nap.
Apparently you have issues with the meaning of death.

On the subject of science and the afterlife. Science tells us that energy is never lost, just transformed. Science also tells us that what we call a conscience or a soul if you will is nothing more then electrical impulses going thru the brain firing synapses which stimulate various neurotransmitters, etc, etc. Therefore it could be said that the electrical impulses are who we really are and our body just a vessel for that electrical energy to experience life thru. Since energy is never lost just transformed then when we die that electrical energy has to go somewhere. Therefore that somewhere is the afterlife. What it is, do we experience it, etc. are all unknowable because to get there means you must thru death go to a place there is no returning from, at least not directly.

Personally my opinion is that how the afterlife seems is all a matter of what we believe it to be. If you believe it's just light's out, games over then that's what it is. If you believe it to be a place of fire and brimstone with demons running around terrorizing souls, then that's what it is and if you believe it to be eternity in paradise then that too is what it will be.

 

[LEF]

Actually, I am nothing like them, and I don't need a weak, superstitious fairy tale to "fall back on". Glad you amused yourself and 3 other creationist morons. You're in good company. You should all form a circle now, and pray to your imaginary deities, sadistic fallacies that they are. Maybe they will reward you in the "afterlife", if their was an "afterlife", which term is an oxymoron. I understand that people are deeply afraid of death, and so they have a need to create a fantasy about life after death, where they will meet all their departed loved ones who are taking a dirt nap.
Apparently you have issues with the meaning of death.

I dont understand why you felt/feel the need to become hostile

I agree with old hipppy that you sound exactly like the people you are condemning.

I get the feeling that your rejecting/fighting against god is your way of being a supreme being(supremacy/domination)/being god

Maybe its a perception thing, but from my perception, from the way you talk to people who believe in god. its like you got this hollier than thou mentality

almost like some kind of defense mechanism

I understand if this is about protecting yourself, not wanting to get hurt or not wanting to take risks, life can be scary, i understand if you dont want to submit yourself also

 

[ghostmade]

Hempkat we must be cut from the same cloth.i used to dwell and question existence and god.then one day right after my baby was born,i realized you get what you believe in.

 

[mr.brunch]

Universe is not expanding- radical alternative to Big Bang cosmology

Universe is not expanding- radical alternative to Big Bang cosmology

The most widely accepted theory of the universe is based on the notion that the world started with a big bang, and has been expanding ever since. But, in a radical counter view, the Universe in not expanding according to a Christof Wetterich, a theoretical physicist at the University of Heidelberg in Germany who has devised a different cosmology in which the Universe is not expanding but posits that the mass of everything has been increasing. His theory could help physicists to understand problematic issues such as the so-called singularity present at the Big Bang.
In his 2013 paper: A Universe Without Expansion, Wettrich discusses a cosmological model "where the universe shrinks rather than expands during the radiation and matter dominated periods".
In his abstract of his paper published on the arXiv preprint server, he writes: "Only dimensionless ratios as the distance between galaxies divided by the atom radius are observable. The cosmological increase of this ratio can also be attributed to shrinking atoms."
“The field of cosmology these days is converging on a standard model, centred around inflation and the Big Bang,” says physicist Arjun Berera at the University of Edinburgh, UK. “This is why it’s as important as ever, before we get too comfortable, to see if there are alternative explanations consistent with all known observation.”
Cosmologists envisage the Universe as expanding, says Niayesh Afshordi, an astrophysicist at the Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Canada, only because it is the most convenient interpretation of galaxies' redshift.
In the 1920s, astronomers including Georges Lemaître and Edwin Hubble analysed the light emitted or absorbed by atoms, which appeared in a spectrum of characteristic colours, or frequencies. When matter moved away, they discovered that galaxies exhibited a shift to the red, lower frequency part of the spectrum.nAfter observing that most galaxies exhibit a red shift that became greater for more distant galaxies, they theorised that the universe was expanding. The Hubble image at the top of the page shows a gravitationally lensed image of the highest known redshift galaxy.
However, Wetterich highlights that this light emitted by atoms is also determined by masses of the elementary particles, and in particular, their electrons.If the mass of an atom increases, it emits more energetic photons. If the particles were to become lighter, frequencies would become redshifted.
In Nature News, Jon Cartwright explains: “Because the speed of light is finite, when we look at distant galaxies we are looking backwards in time — seeing them as they would have been when they emitted the light that we observe. If all masses were once lower, and had been constantly increasing, the colours of old galaxies would look redshifted in comparison to current frequencies, and the amount of redshift would be proportionate to their distances from Earth. Thus, the redshift would make galaxies seem to be receding even if they were not.”
In Wetterich's alternative interpretation of redshift all of cosmology looks very different: The Universe still expands rapidly during a short-lived period known as inflation. But prior to inflation the Big Bang no longer contains a 'singularity' where the density of the Universe would be infinite. Instead, the Big Bang stretches out in the past over an essentially infinite period of time. “The current cosmos could be static or even beginning to contract,” he adds.
But, reports Nature.com, the one huge problem wih Wetterich's theory is that it can't be tested. Mass is what’s known as a dimensional quantity, and can be measured only relative to something else. For instance, every mass on Earth is ultimately determined relative to a kilogram standard that sits in a vault on the outskirts of Paris, at the International Bureau of Weights and Measures. If the mass of everything — including the official kilogramme — has been growing proportionally over time, there could be no way to find out.
Wetterich says that his interpretation could be useful for thinking about different cosmological models, in the same way that physicists use different interpretations of quantum mechanics that are all mathematically consistent. In particular, Wetterich says, the lack of a Big Bang singularity is a major advantage.
The image at the top shows three galaxies in the midst a titanic collision, each ripping the others apart with gravitational tidal forces. The large bluish spiral below and left of center is a foreground galaxy much closer than the others. Most of Stephan's Quintet lies about 300 million light-years away towards the constellation of Pegasus.
The Daily Galaxy via Nature doi:10.1038/nature.2013.13379
Image credit: APOD

 

[Wö£fëñxXx]

So really Adam and Eve could have been anything, including some form of primate. Who is to say that God's vehicle of creation wasn't evolution?

I, personally am a practical kind of guy, if it barks it's a dog, if it quacks it's a duck, with that said God was very specific in Gen 1:26 when He said "Let us make man in our image and in our likeness".
He was very specific when He made the beast of the field, the birds of the air, the fish of the sea and all the creeps that creep on the ground, with every tree and green herb and plant bearing seed after its kind.

Everything produces after "its" kind.
The seed to a thing is within itself. amazing.

You plant canna seed, you get canna.
You plant corn, you get corn.
You plant wheat you get wheat.

I planted my seed in the misses I got children that are now adults and many of you have done the same.

I know this stuff isn't popular here in canna land, I'll now tip toe on out and carry on with my buisness.

Happy resurrection day, and God bless.