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No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
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God is a concept that is unique to all. You are correct in that is there is no need to debate or discuss the existence or non existence of God. On the other hand, the ones that put these religions together were very intelligent beings. They understood electromagnetism and how using your entire brain is important in strengthening ones electromagnetic field and stimulating brain waves. There is ancient science and knowledge in these holy books that gets overlooked by many because they don't see numbers or equations or physics in them. Those things exist outside of these books, and hence the balance. To contemplate creation, or the big bang, which in my opinion is what this thread is about, more than the left side of our brain will have to be used in order to make since of what happened.
From the point of view of an outsider, someone who isn't well versed in science, and who isn't religious, it's my opinion that science is cold and religion is warm. Sure there are fanatics, but speaking purely from my personal and biased point of view, most religious folks are loving and wonderful people, which constitute a huge population of the earth. For the most part the Jewish owned media has been trying to discredit religion in order to corrupt our society, as it's a great way to usher in a Marxist communist revolution/society. Religious opinions should not be discounted so long as used in the proper context which is the topic of this thread.. The scientific mind can be more distant from humanity on occasion but one thing both have in common is that they're both judgmental.
I bring up these things not to change minds or to compete with other ideas, but on the basis of sharing information. The world will be a better place when the competition ends and the collaboration begins. There are definitely people being mean to each other in this thread which of course is disheartening but information is being shared nonetheless.
The thing about religion is that it requires both belief and suspension of disbelief as well as imagination, which are all right brain attributes. Science of course is on the other side of the fence, generally not willing to participate in these mental tasks.
To understand the big bang, or creation, the hows and whys of it all, we must have a complete understanding, not a one sided point of view.
Riddle me this ; If we do scientifically discover 'how' us humans, and everything else in the universe was created, do we then move onto 'why' it was created? Or do we start with the why, and then conceptualize the how? Which one of these thought processes is more advanced or more valid? The bottom line is, when a scientist discovers this, it will of course be based on theory and there won't ever be definitive proof, as there will never be and has never been a witness to the explosion(big bang). Much of this new science is for the most part, a belief system. This is evidenced by the fact that most of us are reading about these studies and not participating in them. If we don't have first hand knowledge or understanding, and have to take someone at their word, this is a belief system. Another thing is, how will this be explained to the masses of the earth with average IQ of 100 or less? I think it sound a lot like it does now, " a force that we can't explain to you is responsible for creating all life, and the earth, and the heavens(what we see in the sky). We view this as being positive, though it's possible an opposing force may in fact destroy everything at any given time. (Satan; Hebrew: adversary. When I think adversary, opposing force comes to mind.)
However we exercise our minds, it should be in a peaceful fashion. Ideas should be more akin to a joint than a sharpened sword. Ideas are for sharing
The point I'm trying to make though is when you bring religion into a discussion here, threads get closed. Then all ends up being for naught.
Complete rubbish, and categorically false!
Pretty much like your post on astrology and how world leaders use it so it must be true. It's as dumb as "it's in the bible, so it must be true". Weak minds are affected by nonsense, as Einstein said. The vast majority of humans are suggestible, hence their belief in things utterly ridiculous.
Thankfully, I am not one of them, and others aren't either, but we are in the minority.
We live in a world where the major powers are pointing loaded nuclear guns at one another and the hammer is cocked. Violence increases exponentially with population. That's why there is more crime in the city. It's easy to dehumanize teeming millions of people you don't know. People who don't matter.
here comes the sun. sun worshipping. vitamin D.
First detailed microscopy evidence of ‘nanobacteria’ at the lower size limit of life
http://www.kurzweilai.net/irst-deta...-nanobacteria-at-the-lower-size-limit-of-life
http://www.kurzweilai.net/irst-deta...-nanobacteria-at-the-lower-size-limit-of-life
Voyager 1 Updates Solar Electron Flux
Posted on December 8, 2011 by Prof. Donald E. Scott
Seems Voyager 1 has been able to supply us with more accurate data to enable new calculations of the Solar Electron Flux[1].
In the late 1970’s Ralph Juergens investigated how (or whether) the Sun could be obtaining its energy via an externally supplied flow of electrical power[2]. Now, in late 2011, we find that, because of data just recovered by the Voyager I space probe, Juergens’ estimate of the number of available incoming electrons was far too conservative. Either that, or his initial estimate of the Sun’s required cathode drop (voltage) was far too high.
A recent NASA release entitled NASA’s Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge[3] provides the following important updates to the information Juergens used in making his estimates:
1.Voyager 1 is now approaching the heliopause (the outer surface of the Sun’s plasmasphere). It is approximately 11 billion miles (18 billion kilometers) from the Sun. The probe has not yet crossed the boundary into interstellar space so this is a minimum estimate of the radius of the heliosphere.
2.Voyager has detected a 100-fold increase in the intensity of high-energy electrons entering our solar system from elsewhere in the galaxy.
3.The probe has been measuring the speed of the solar wind and for the first time in its journey, the wind now “blows back at us”.
The “solar constant,” defined as the total radiant energy at all wavelengths reaching an area of one square centimeter at the Earth’s distance from the Sun, is about 0.137 watts per square centimeter[4]. It works out, then, that the Sun must be emitting about 6.5×107 watts per square meter of solar “surface,” and the total power output of the Sun is approximately 4×1026 watts.
The hypothetical electric input must then provide a power of 4×1026 watts. Juergens posited that the Sun’s cathode drop is of the order of 1010 volts. In that event the total power input divided by that voltage is 4×1016 amperes. The velocity of the interstellar winds is estimated[5] at 200 – 1000 km/s. This is in the range 2×105 and 106 m/s. So let us suppose that the effective velocity of a typical interstellar electron is at least 105 m/s.
At the time Juergens made his calculation (1979), current estimates of the state of ionization of the interstellar gas were that there should be at least 100,000 free electrons per cubic m. But in light of the new updates (see #2 above), this is now increased 100 fold to 107. The random electric current of these electrons would be Ir = Nev where N is the electron density per cubic meter, e is the electron charge in coulombs, and v is the average velocity of the electrons (in m/s). Using these values, we find that the random electric current density is about 1.6×10-7 Amp per square meter through a surface oriented at any angle.
The total electron current that can be drawn by the solar discharge is the product of this random current density and the surface area of the sphere occupied by the cathode drop. We now have a fairly good measurement of how large this sphere is (see update #1 above). Its radius is approximately 1.8×1013 m, so its spherical boundary must have a collecting surface area of something greater than 4×1027 square meters.
Such a surface would then collect a current of interstellar electrons amounting to approximately 1.6×10-7 Amp per square meter x 4×1027 square meters = 6.4×1020 A. (Some 16,000 times the number needed!). Of course this calculation involves many estimated quantities, but the point is that it is not reasonable to conclude that there are not enough electrons entering the Sun’s environment to power it. In fact, in light of the new NASA data, it is now possible to reduce our estimate of the Sun’s voltage to 1010/16,000 = 6.25 million volts.
NASA’s observation (#3 above) that the direction of the solar wind actually reverses (begins to flow sunward) out near the heliopause is further confirmation that the analogy between the behavior of the Sun’s surrounding plasma and what is observed in laboratory “gas” (plasma) discharge tubes is a valid one. Near the cathode of such a tube, a layer of electrons is often observed. Such a layer creates a reversal in the direction of the electric field (force per unit charge) applied to the positive charge carriers (+ions in the solar wind). The heliopause is a virtual cathode for the Sun’s plasma discharge.
A standard (hackneyed) criticism from skeptics of Juergens’ Electric Star hypothesis has always been, “where are all the necessary incoming electrons?” It appears NASA is in the process of finding them. Perhaps we could issue a press release of our own entitled “Dark Electrons Found by NASA.”
The Electric Sun is increasingly vindicated with each new piece of data NASA releases.
Donald E. Scott
References:
1. From Appendix C of The Electric Sky, Scott, D.E., Mikamar 2006.
2. Available: http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/k0801-electric-i.htm
and http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/k0802-electric-ii.htm
or http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/1982-electric-solar-energy-juergens.pdf
3. Available: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-372
4. R.C. Wilson, Journal of Geophysical Research, 83,4003-4007 1978.
5. Peratt, A. Physics of the Plasma Universe, Springer-Verlag, 1992.
Posted on December 8, 2011 by Prof. Donald E. Scott
Seems Voyager 1 has been able to supply us with more accurate data to enable new calculations of the Solar Electron Flux[1].
In the late 1970’s Ralph Juergens investigated how (or whether) the Sun could be obtaining its energy via an externally supplied flow of electrical power[2]. Now, in late 2011, we find that, because of data just recovered by the Voyager I space probe, Juergens’ estimate of the number of available incoming electrons was far too conservative. Either that, or his initial estimate of the Sun’s required cathode drop (voltage) was far too high.
A recent NASA release entitled NASA’s Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge[3] provides the following important updates to the information Juergens used in making his estimates:
1.Voyager 1 is now approaching the heliopause (the outer surface of the Sun’s plasmasphere). It is approximately 11 billion miles (18 billion kilometers) from the Sun. The probe has not yet crossed the boundary into interstellar space so this is a minimum estimate of the radius of the heliosphere.
2.Voyager has detected a 100-fold increase in the intensity of high-energy electrons entering our solar system from elsewhere in the galaxy.
3.The probe has been measuring the speed of the solar wind and for the first time in its journey, the wind now “blows back at us”.
The “solar constant,” defined as the total radiant energy at all wavelengths reaching an area of one square centimeter at the Earth’s distance from the Sun, is about 0.137 watts per square centimeter[4]. It works out, then, that the Sun must be emitting about 6.5×107 watts per square meter of solar “surface,” and the total power output of the Sun is approximately 4×1026 watts.
The hypothetical electric input must then provide a power of 4×1026 watts. Juergens posited that the Sun’s cathode drop is of the order of 1010 volts. In that event the total power input divided by that voltage is 4×1016 amperes. The velocity of the interstellar winds is estimated[5] at 200 – 1000 km/s. This is in the range 2×105 and 106 m/s. So let us suppose that the effective velocity of a typical interstellar electron is at least 105 m/s.
At the time Juergens made his calculation (1979), current estimates of the state of ionization of the interstellar gas were that there should be at least 100,000 free electrons per cubic m. But in light of the new updates (see #2 above), this is now increased 100 fold to 107. The random electric current of these electrons would be Ir = Nev where N is the electron density per cubic meter, e is the electron charge in coulombs, and v is the average velocity of the electrons (in m/s). Using these values, we find that the random electric current density is about 1.6×10-7 Amp per square meter through a surface oriented at any angle.
The total electron current that can be drawn by the solar discharge is the product of this random current density and the surface area of the sphere occupied by the cathode drop. We now have a fairly good measurement of how large this sphere is (see update #1 above). Its radius is approximately 1.8×1013 m, so its spherical boundary must have a collecting surface area of something greater than 4×1027 square meters.
Such a surface would then collect a current of interstellar electrons amounting to approximately 1.6×10-7 Amp per square meter x 4×1027 square meters = 6.4×1020 A. (Some 16,000 times the number needed!). Of course this calculation involves many estimated quantities, but the point is that it is not reasonable to conclude that there are not enough electrons entering the Sun’s environment to power it. In fact, in light of the new NASA data, it is now possible to reduce our estimate of the Sun’s voltage to 1010/16,000 = 6.25 million volts.
NASA’s observation (#3 above) that the direction of the solar wind actually reverses (begins to flow sunward) out near the heliopause is further confirmation that the analogy between the behavior of the Sun’s surrounding plasma and what is observed in laboratory “gas” (plasma) discharge tubes is a valid one. Near the cathode of such a tube, a layer of electrons is often observed. Such a layer creates a reversal in the direction of the electric field (force per unit charge) applied to the positive charge carriers (+ions in the solar wind). The heliopause is a virtual cathode for the Sun’s plasma discharge.
A standard (hackneyed) criticism from skeptics of Juergens’ Electric Star hypothesis has always been, “where are all the necessary incoming electrons?” It appears NASA is in the process of finding them. Perhaps we could issue a press release of our own entitled “Dark Electrons Found by NASA.”
The Electric Sun is increasingly vindicated with each new piece of data NASA releases.
Donald E. Scott
References:
1. From Appendix C of The Electric Sky, Scott, D.E., Mikamar 2006.
2. Available: http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/k0801-electric-i.htm
and http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/k0802-electric-ii.htm
or http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/1982-electric-solar-energy-juergens.pdf
3. Available: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-372
4. R.C. Wilson, Journal of Geophysical Research, 83,4003-4007 1978.
5. Peratt, A. Physics of the Plasma Universe, Springer-Verlag, 1992.
This has done more for our civilization then any god could ever do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi0RpNSELas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi0RpNSELas
the fact anything(a universe) exists at all, gives credence to truth.
all derives from a common source; a singularity of eternal energy and infinite potential. separation and independence are illusions; existence works interdependent with itself.
The singularity has no otherthing to relate; no mirrors, relationships or companionship. relying on stunning act of radiating curiosity- it sets forth on its own self-discovery, to know and understand itself without prejudice or desire but, instead with real, firsthand experience.
an undifferentiated vibration of consciousness permeates all, evenly and thru-out, radiating pure, unfettered being, never at fault.
nothing is static
all derives from a common source; a singularity of eternal energy and infinite potential. separation and independence are illusions; existence works interdependent with itself.
The singularity has no otherthing to relate; no mirrors, relationships or companionship. relying on stunning act of radiating curiosity- it sets forth on its own self-discovery, to know and understand itself without prejudice or desire but, instead with real, firsthand experience.
an undifferentiated vibration of consciousness permeates all, evenly and thru-out, radiating pure, unfettered being, never at fault.
nothing is static
The triple alpha process is a miracle of the universe. So cool. We're made of stardust!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/helfus.html
http://www.astrophysicsspectator.com/topics/stars/FusionHydrogen.html#cno
we are stardust alright
we are light, we are energy, we are eternal
http://www.astrophysicsspectator.com/topics/stars/FusionHydrogen.html#cno
we are stardust alright
we are light, we are energy, we are eternal
been reading Parallel Universes by Fred Wolf
1988 copyright, so kind of old, but interesting ideas nonetheless
in particular on the Copenhagen interpretation, which is still the most favored by physicists
key to this interpretation is the act of measurement/observation of quantum events
until it's observed, it just hasn't happened, kind of like us wanting pics or it didn't happen
so let us go back to the big bang time, hard to find much in the way of observers i would think
god as observer?, i'd say ok, that could make sense but not provable
in a nutshell, one thought is that both the past and future are created by observation
basis being waves of probability pass through time forwards and backwards
causality is preserved in that only physically permissible events can happen
there are some quantum experiments that do show this effect, variant on the double slit
consequence is an infinity of parallel universes, our perception flows through the skein of them
interesting thought, to put it mildly
1988 copyright, so kind of old, but interesting ideas nonetheless
in particular on the Copenhagen interpretation, which is still the most favored by physicists
key to this interpretation is the act of measurement/observation of quantum events
until it's observed, it just hasn't happened, kind of like us wanting pics or it didn't happen
so let us go back to the big bang time, hard to find much in the way of observers i would think
god as observer?, i'd say ok, that could make sense but not provable
in a nutshell, one thought is that both the past and future are created by observation
basis being waves of probability pass through time forwards and backwards
causality is preserved in that only physically permissible events can happen
there are some quantum experiments that do show this effect, variant on the double slit
consequence is an infinity of parallel universes, our perception flows through the skein of them
interesting thought, to put it mildly
I was listening to all these last night. John Lennon was a genius.
I was actually caged in the exact cell where his killer had been held.
His lyrics are so full of truth.
Lots of folks can't deal with the truth.
They'd rather pretend.
He was able to think outside the box.
good find ^^^^^ you know when you really listen to the lyrics its kinda fucked up i mean i am a guitar player played in bands made money but lived in poverty doing it lol booze , chicks and drugs go hand in hand so by end of week most money went back to bar from TAB owing
but it amazes me how just plain kinda stupid lyrics can be turned into hit i sat countless times having a song in place but yet could not put two words together to Make it happen hahaha if that makes sense john lennon was a artist and pretty sure he changed many peoples lives including the music industry
So i think he has done more good then Jesus has ever led people to believe
like the say proof is in the pudding
What did really jesus do for anyone in real life terms SWEET FUCK ALL ,,false hope's ?????
but it amazes me how just plain kinda stupid lyrics can be turned into hit i sat countless times having a song in place but yet could not put two words together to Make it happen hahaha if that makes sense john lennon was a artist and pretty sure he changed many peoples lives including the music industry
So i think he has done more good then Jesus has ever led people to believe
like the say proof is in the pudding
What did really jesus do for anyone in real life terms SWEET FUCK ALL ,,false hope's ?????
jesus was 'the' supermodel of his day.
you could say Einstein or Planck or even Jung, were as influential in their disciplines.
man made god in his own image and religion elevated the concept above our ability to see that. guaranteed positions for the elders of that religion. all religions are cults. money. power. prestige. what poop.
religion is for those who aren't able/willing to think that there would be no actual influence of any religion/belief without their willingness to believe. religion has had thousands of years to perfect the illusion...without your cooperation there is no god.
that doesn't mean people shouldn't believe, some people need slip-on shoes.
you could say Einstein or Planck or even Jung, were as influential in their disciplines.
man made god in his own image and religion elevated the concept above our ability to see that. guaranteed positions for the elders of that religion. all religions are cults. money. power. prestige. what poop.
religion is for those who aren't able/willing to think that there would be no actual influence of any religion/belief without their willingness to believe. religion has had thousands of years to perfect the illusion...without your cooperation there is no god.
that doesn't mean people shouldn't believe, some people need slip-on shoes.
What was so scary is how ignorant/clueless those "millennials" truly are. But they know everything about the Kardashians. The popular "culture" today is infinitely vacuous.
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