No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[D. B. Doober]

How did they know they were 50,000 years in the past and how did they get back..............to earth on time?

Not sure on that one. But they somehow made it back through the portal in orbit after a few hours or days spent 50,000 years in the past. They didn't land, they just orbited.
Who put a time/space portal in orbit I don't know. I heard there was a portal around Mars' orbit somewhere too.

If it really happened it's been like 50 years since it happened - new technology would have enabled NASA to explore the portal up in orbit more and probably sent tons of rovers and shit 50,000 years back in time.

 

[mr.brunch]

If time travel to the past was possible, surely someone would have shown up n told us by now.... And the ' grandfather paradox ' is supposed to rule out past time travel

 

[DrFever]

To think there is no life other then ours in space is crazy have we been visited by aliens dam straight we have and why or how are they capable of visiting earth when our selfs can hardy get off the ground ?? its cause there leap years ahead of us meaning evolved much sooner
meaning there has to be a age of the universe as in everything and same goes for the universe there is strong evidence showing the universe has not always existed

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/age.html

 

[DrFever]

The Universe is currently expanding. One extremely important cosmological question is whether this expansion will continue forever. As we shall see later, this is a question that does not yet have a definitive answer. Ultimately, this will turn out to be a question of how much mass is contained in the Universe. If it is below a critical amount, the Universe will expand forever. If it is above the critical amount, the expansion will eventually reverse and the Universe will collapse on itself, leading to what has been termed the big crunch. If it is exactly equal to the critical amount, the expansion will slow, but will only stop after an infinite amount of time. Thus, in this case the Universe will expand forever too.

 

[unk1]

"People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion" - Einstein

I'm sticking with the idea that time doesn't exist. Not just because of the Einstein quote either, I actually just now found that online like 5 mins ago. I've always thought time was a ridiculous concept since I was a kid.

 

[D. B. Doober]

the ' grandfather paradox ' is supposed to rule out past time travel

Well think of it as multiple universes...if you're back in time, you're in a parallel universe. So the grandfather paradox doesn't really hold up. Well, the universe you go back in time into could have issues...you change the course of history somehow, but in this universe nothing will have changed. If you shot your double in another universe, if he existed, you wouldn't die. Unless you were from that universe. Cool toking topic

 

[Mad Lab]

there has to be a age of the universe as in everything and same goes for the universe there is strong evidence showing the universe has not always existed

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/age.html

We can agree on something Dr Fever.

when we look out at the universe, we are looking back in time, because light had to leave distant objects a long time ago, to reach us at the present time. This means that the events we observe lie on what is called our past light cone. The point of the cone is at our position, at the present time.

As one goes back in time the light cone spreads out to greater distances, and its area increases. However, if there is sufficient matter on our past light cone, it will bend the rays of light towards each other.

This will mean that, as one goes back into the past, the area of our past light cone will reach a maximum, and then start to decrease. It is this focussing of our past light cone, by the gravitational effect of the matter in the universe, that is the signal that the universe is within its horizon, like the time reverse of a black hole. If one can determine that there is enough matter in the universe, to focus our past light cone, one can then apply the singularity theorems, to show that time must have a beginning.

 

[mr.brunch]

Of course time exists , as proved by cause and effect. I have yet to see cause follow effect

 

[mr.brunch]

Loving this thread

 

[unk1]

Of course time exists , as proved by cause and effect. I have yet to see cause follow effect

In this scenario, cause following effect is just the reversal of time. Which doesn't make any difference anyways, because time isn't real. "cause" and "effect" here have no meaning since you imply the passing of time, or the THEORY of "time" if you will

 

[mr.brunch]

Erm... Time is not a theory, we are all getting older, the earth and galaxies are moving through space and my egg will be finished boiling in three minutes.
Don't care how metaphysical the conversation gets that is one thing we know to be true.
Cause and effect do have a meaning or relevance... Supernova explodes, matter is thrown out across space....
To suggest it happens the other way around as well may well be a "theory" , but common cause and effect ain't.
If you believe the moon is made of cheese hard enough- it still won't be.

 

[mr.brunch]

By the way, I would love it if time could backtrack just a bit so this spliff is full length

 

[Mad Lab]

Which goes back to what I stated originally here before someone had to attack the theist, science is trying so hard to disprove 'the beginning theories', mostly so they can reaffirm (to themselves likely) that an agent didnt set the laws of our universe or multi-universes in motion, like the law of conversation of energy, etc.

The law of conversation of energy states that the total amount of energy in a system remains constant, although energy within the system can be changed from one form to another or transferred from one object to another. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be transformed.

So alot of these new equations dont account for the origin of energy, because our system couldnt have created it, it must have been created likely from an outside agent.

 

[unk1]

If time can be observed an infinite amount of ways by just one human being during their lifetime (lets say time is real in this case) and lets say we get above the trillions of humans throughout humanity (past, present, and future....still pretending time is real), how is it still a real thing if it is never constant? It can be likened to the Easter Bunny or Santa.... you weren't born with the concept of time. Clocks didn't make sense to you when you were a kid. You were taught that. It can't fully be proved and more and more evidence is coming out that it isn't even a thing at all. Just a way to compartmentalize all the information that is anything and everywhere.

 

[igrowone]

time isn't a theory, at least in the strict sense
now there are theories about time, its aspects and characteristics
the arrow of time, now there's the rub
as i understand it, most physic equations work without the arrow of time
there are accepted phenomena that seem to have a backward motion, though on unobservable time scales
but they don't violate causality, causality before all else?

 

[unk1]

lol, high debates are the best.

 

[Mad Lab]

time isn't a theory, at least in the strict sense
now there are theories about time, its aspects and characteristics
the arrow of time, now there's the rub
as i understand it, most physic equations work without the arrow of time
there are accepted phenomena that seem to have a backward motion, though on unobservable time scales
but they don't violate causality, causality before all else?

That's my understanding as well on the subject of time.

 

[Galactic]

Time refers to different 'present moments'. There truly exists only the NOW.

Past, present, and future... The alpha and omega... singularity... All these separate ideas are really one and the same fabric if you can will your mind to see it.

 

[genedigger]

theres hundreds of amino acids and proteins that have to be in a specific pattern for life to arise.if it were to happen spontaniously it would take billions more chances than the universe is old[13.8billion].

 

[genedigger]

time is fake the only ignorant species that trust and believes it are homosapiens