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No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

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Mad Lab

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There should be a law in place that religion cannot be forced on children until there 18 its there Decision not there parents.

No, I dont agree. Parents give everything to their children, and in doing so includes the right of traditional belief, even if I dont agree with it. And you being an atheist should agree with that over me, because its all subjective right?

Who are you to tell parents what they can teach their children? Dont sound like much of an atheist to me. In your world everyone should be able to do what they want, when they want, especially if it doesnt involve vioolence. Please dont state something stupid like "religions are so violent!" If your thinking that, once again, dont judge a theology or philosophy by its abuses.

What I DO agree with, is not allowing faith schools that soley focus on one religion. I believe religion (ALL) should be taught so children have a basis for comparison and may choose religion or atheism or whatever they choose. I dont agree with forced worships etc. Worship, is for parents and children at home if they wish, but for instance, Catholics forcing their students to pray, i believe is wrong. And also counter-productive for their religion.

To many Flaws in it all do you not think so ???? or you just plain deny whats right in front of you ?


In most religions? I sure can. Protestantism, not at all. You tell me the flaws?


Hey, I can tell by your statements you havent lived life long enough to have this discussion.

I understand where your mind is, you have so many opinions but no authority behind them so you are confused. And with all those fake theologies out there, no wonder your trying to be your own god, which i must say, is humorous at best. I can tell by your comments you would be such a great god ;)


Its also so funny to see so many atheists in america and europe, where Christianity has had a major influence.

You wouldnt have your moral/value system if it wasnt for Jesus. His philosophy built this country, and is lilkely the only reason atheists have the freedom (and comfortability) to become freethinkers away from religion in decent numbers. You likely wouldnt be an atheist if you were born suffering and continued to suffer.

But your momma or daddy or both, raised you in a Christian society and now your taking it for granted. Give Jesus a little credit why dont ya, hes likely the reason you can even be an atheist.

Not many suffering middle easterns are converting to atheism are they? Nope, but there is a HUGE rise in christianity there. I wonder why. They arnt sitting in there beanbags in front of video games with their little garage of cannabis plants thinking, "No way God exists, thats just common sense because..... uh.... I still havent said anything worth noting for my argument"


Im not sitting here telling you God exists. Your sitting there telling me God doesnt exist. Who's the fool?
 

DrFever

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Mad lab you sound just about as gay as your Jesus is i have nothing to prove but you do right Jesus is fake i know it , and most smart people also know it Christianity is hypocrisy at its finest this vid is for you and by the way is there a new testament coming on end of this year hahaha or early next year


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYfDlIa-Z8
 

mr.brunch

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Back to topic, stepping away from ye olde mythology, if that's ok .....
Surely, if science is agreed that the galaxies are all moving away from each other - then tracking it back in time there must have been a point when everything occupied a single point in space. So, there also has to be a point when it all split apart: the Big Bang?
 

mr.brunch

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Damn good question, and one that I am confident will become clear... Probably not in my lifetime but one day.
In reality, space itself is probably infinite and our universe is just a very small part of it... Maybe there are huge lumps of this original "stuff " floating around in this infinite space and every so often due to huge gravitational forces and temperature they "explode " into new universes... Not much of a theory, and it probably ain't even close, but that's the wonderful thing about life, always new stuff to surprise you.
 

D. B. Doober

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I wonder how big the singularity was? It was smaller than a speck of sand right? Right before the big bang? If it was that tiny it doesn't seem like it came through from another universe. I believe in multiple universes/dimensions but don't see how the big bang has anything to do with it. Would have been cool if something came through a wormhole and suddenly ended up here as the singularity. Unless that's what really happened.
Want to hear something cool? I heard a whacky radio show say there was a portal in orbit that one of the Apollo missions accidentally went through and ended up in orbit 50,000 years in the past. There was no radio contact with NASA for a while and that was the answer, allegedly.
 

mr.brunch

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I read some professor saying he thought it was all due to matter/antimatter collisions In 'Non-space' which destroy each other and produce huge amounts of energy.
Energy which somehow condenses back in to the matter/ energy arrangement we see now.

Bit much for my brain.
 

Midnight Tokar

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I wonder how big the singularity was? It was smaller than a speck of sand right? Right before the big bang? If it was that tiny it doesn't seem like it came through from another universe. I believe in multiple universes/dimensions but don't see how the big bang has anything to do with it. Would have been cool if something came through a wormhole and suddenly ended up here as the singularity. Unless that's what really happened.
Want to hear something cool? I heard a whacky radio show say there was a portal in orbit that one of the Apollo missions accidentally went through and ended up in orbit 50,000 years in the past. There was no radio contact with NASA for a while and that was the answer, allegedly.
How did they know they were 50,000 years in the past and how did they get back..............to earth on time?
 

armedoldhippy

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I'm starting to believe in recycling, myself. what if, just like our planet with its moving plate tectonics, layers of earth folding over/under etc, the universe just keeps reusing the material that is there. stars form in the nebulas, planets gather from floating dust, solar systems form, live & die, get sucked into giant black holes, are compacted beyond (known) laws of physics capabilities & are re-ejected from the star-forming nebulas again. no beginning, no end, no waste. the ultimate in recycling..."nothing truly new under the sun..." if space/time are really curved like Einstein thought, we could be going in circles. out the front door, around the house, in the back door. fuck, I don't know, & we never will unless God truly exists & reveals himself one day & explains it all to us (really shock the atheists, huh?:biggrin:)
this is the sort of shit I dream up after my third Jack & coke...you oughta hear me when I get going on some good mushrooms, LOL!
 

Midwest sticky

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Dr fever, mad lab, retro grow Can we get off the god issue? And get back to humanity being spider mites in a giants grow room? Seriously,none of you are gonna back down we all have different beliefs just let it fucking go already.
 
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unk1

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what if the "big bang" was just a white hole? and all black holes go to a white hole that is just another verse in the multiverse?
 

unk1

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haha, just got done with dinner and bowl with the lady. wonder whats on my mind? she needs to get off the damn phone haha
 

Mad Lab

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I've been watching GTP group field theory and loop quantum gravity the past few years, I would love to find an entire paper on this equation.

Im curious how they will describe how the space of the universe evolving from the elementary cells and we'd likely need to see a quantum correction for entropy. The density of the universe is one thing, the general structure of it is another.

I know they were working on it for the past few years, extremely demanding mathematical task bridging the gap from the microworld to the macroworld but i knew they would probably come up with something sooner than later.

I still have a rough time believe the infinite, even setting aside the theist in me. Even from a scientific standpoint. But its possible, maybe?

With no observable predictions which can be measured and possibly falsifiable, then we are really dealing with pure math and philosophy and not physics.
 
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