No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[Galactic]

The dense nature of this reality in comparison to the dimensions above coupled with our rough physical sense organs of this dimension permit for a specific type of experience primarily.

we are super physical beings occupying a physical vehicle for a relatively short period of time. Part of this less refined, denser Universal experience through this physical vehicle is 'Time'. Like seeing an oil gauge as part of driving automobile; one of many 'status indicators' meant to give you data to make decisions in operation of said vehicle.

Usefulness of the indicator becomes subjective outside of the vehicle though.

This is pretty roughly worded I know

 

[Galactic]

theres hundreds of amino acids and proteins that have to be in a specific pattern for life to arise.if it were to happen spontaniously it would take billions more chances than the universe is old[13.8billion].

That is how I arrived at the conclusion there exists an 'Author of All Things'.

I find it hard to believe the human liver or red blood cell or optic rods and cones spontaneously or with selective pressures came into existence in their current states. With all the complexity yet beauty and simplicity behind each protein or acid or cell communication pathway... and all coalescing into synergistic results. No way.

There is true order. Things are not out of place and it is as if there is no true beginning or ending... simply the I AM.

That as far as I can percept from within

 

[Mad Lab]

time is fake the only ignorant species that trust and believes it are homosapiens

you can say that about almost everything but the laws are still in function.

 

[DrFever]

its called evolution there kids there are many freaks of nature and yes i totally believe that we are .. and that certain proteins out of billions of years of trial and error finally met and started the chain reaction to what we are today
there is know denying that meteors and other planets have some form of proteins and with heat of entering the earth triggers other proteins and who knows maybe some help from aliens along the way just saying

Analysis of hemoglobin, the protein that binds oxygen in blood, has also provided a good
tool for determining the relationship of humans to the African apes and supports the linkage of
humans with chimpanzees. The sequences for alpha and beta hemoglobin are known for humans,
chimpanzees, and gorillas. Humans and chimpanzees have identical alpha and beta sequences
from which gorillas differ by only one residue in each chain. On position 23 on the alpha
hemoglobin, for example, gorillas have the amino acid aspartic acid instead of glutamic acid and at
position 104 on beta hemoglobin gorillas have lysine instead of arginine. Furthermore, the
aspartic acid residue found on the alpha-23 position in gorilla hemoglobin is also found in
orangutans, gibbons, and cebids (members of the old world monkeys) which indicates that it is a
primitive condition and that glutamic acid is the shared, derived condition in chimpanzees and
humans.

 

[TheOutlawTree]

I always feel like something is missing in the way we view life. I agree with the poster on the first page- humans are the parasite / spider mites of the planet earth. We are the only mammals and living thing on earth that hurts the environment.

I wish more people could chill out and look at the stars at night.... and understand just how tiny we really are.

We have microscopes to view the tiny stuff and telescopes to see the distant stuff. We as humans think nothing of the tiny bacteria under our microscope but if you look at the big picture of the universe or 'multi-verse'... we are the same bacteria of our world, and earth itself is the same bacteria to its solar system. Infinite.

I just wish I could live on a planet where rivers flowed with IPA, and It rained buds of manicured sour diesel... I would be the only man to 50000 hot woman....I could just sit around and get served good food, drugs, and pussy every day. Not a worry in the world..... If every possible outcome can happen and things are really infinite....than this world exists somewhere folks!

 

[Midwest sticky]

I knew someone would agree with me on humanity being spider mites.
And I especially like the last part of your statement.

 

[Mad Lab]

its called evolution there kids there are many freaks of nature and yes i totally believe that we are .. and that certain proteins out of billions of years of trial and error finally met and started the chain reaction to what we are today
there is know denying that meteors and other planets have some form of proteins and with heat of entering the earth triggers other proteins and who knows maybe some help from aliens along the way just saying

Analysis of hemoglobin, the protein that binds oxygen in blood, has also provided a good
tool for determining the relationship of humans to the African apes and supports the linkage of
humans with chimpanzees. The sequences for alpha and beta hemoglobin are known for humans,
chimpanzees, and gorillas. Humans and chimpanzees have identical alpha and beta sequences
from which gorillas differ by only one residue in each chain. On position 23 on the alpha
hemoglobin, for example, gorillas have the amino acid aspartic acid instead of glutamic acid and at
position 104 on beta hemoglobin gorillas have lysine instead of arginine. Furthermore, the
aspartic acid residue found on the alpha-23 position in gorilla hemoglobin is also found in
orangutans, gibbons, and cebids (members of the old world monkeys) which indicates that it is a
primitive condition and that glutamic acid is the shared, derived condition in chimpanzees and
humans.

On that note, not so much a theology reference but a historical one.

We cant agree that the bible is truth about God, but noone would dare dismiss it as history.

Im not sure if you've done much research on gobekli tepe? The earliest sculpture workshop arouns 12,000 BC, when most historians believed we were hunters and gatherers.

There is just not many good theories to explain the intelligence of man at the same time of primitive man existing near the same time. Gobekli Tepe allows for a great new theory on why that is. Unless we go with Promethius' story and the sumarian annunaki account of human origin, which also may tie into the Genesis account. Here:

*BTW, i assume the account of creation in the Bible with Adam and Eve is just the first homosapiens (or ?) that evolved to the point of enough intelligence to understand they have a choice to not submit to primitive animalistic instincts.

Assuming Darwin's theory is correct, there would have been only one intelligent human that rose to the point we speak of. Not many over the world. It would have begun with one: Adam or Atom. So if you dont agree with genesis, we can agree on the first family. Likely left Eden and mixed perhaps with other less-intelligent homosapiens which were all over the world likely.

"A statement in Genesis that has long puzzled Bible interpreters says, "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and and they took them wives of all which they chose" (Genesis 6. 2-4). Some have suggested the `Sons of God" were angels who fell along with Lucifer, and that "Daughters of Men" were Adam's offspring, But that is not logical would fallen angels be described as "Sons of God"? ("Sons of Satan" might be more appropriate.) More than that, Jesus told us that angels "Neither marry nor are given in marriage" (Luke 3:38), which rules out such an interpretation. If the "Sons of God" are not fallen angels, the expression `Sons of God' must refer to Adam's offspring, and the `Daughters of Men" would be from Homo Sapiens already existing in the world. Traditionalists may balk at this, but it reconciles the text of Genesis with what we know from science.


It also answers the old conundrum: "Who was Cain's wife?" If, as many have insisted, his wife was his sister, that would mean an innocent woman had to follow her guilty husband into exile. It is more likely that, (in accordance with Gen. 6. 2-4), Cain found a wife amongst the people where he settled.


Such an interpretation also explains Cain's agony when he says in Genesis 4:14, "Every one that findeth me shall slay me." So the Biblical story says that: "The Lord set a mark upon Cain lest anyone finding him should kill him" (4:15). It is evident that Cain knew he would meet other people who were not descended from Adam when he went into exile.


More than that, we learn that Cain built a city (4:17), not just a dwelling for himself and his family. It would seem that the men he met, far from killing him, received him as their leader and he was able to organize them to do things they had never done before. One of the mysteries of antiquity is: Where did all the genius that founded ancient civilizations come from so suddenly?


The recent find of a very sophisticated temple, along with a buried city, at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, near the border with Syria, dated 11,600 years ago, would indicate a sudden infusion of genius into the homo sapiens genome. This is long before the traditional date of Adam, but it is consistent with the Bible's statement that Cain went out and built a city. It would appear, then, that if Adam was an actual person, his descendants married into an already existing race of Homo Sapiens, and that would account for the sudden spurt in human genius in recent history.


About five centuries ago Bishop Ussher proposed that Adam and the world were created in 4004 BC. To fix such a date he had to assume, among other things, that there were no gaps in the Biblical genealogies. We now know that human history goes back long before such a date, and that Ussher's assumptions were hopelessly flawed."

 

[ezak420]

the continuous moment of Now; creation.. the ripple of consciousness expanding into the void, leaving reality in its wake, as it ‘feels’ its way into the next grandest version of itself.

 

[RetroGrow]

We cant agree that the bible is truth about God, but noone would dare dismiss it as history.

Wanna bet? The bible is bunk. Nothing but pure fiction, written by the ignorant to appeal to the even more ignorant. Mythology and superstitions from the "know nothings" from thousands of years ago. Just think what other stupid things they believed. Utter nonsense. Hard to believe you haven't evolved past that rubbish.
Fiction is not history.

 

[Mad Lab]

Wanna bet? The bible is bunk. Nothing but pure fiction, written by the ignorant to appeal to the even more ignorant. Mythology and superstitions from the "know nothings" from thousands of years ago. Just think what other stupid things they believed. Utter nonsense. Hard to believe you haven't evolved past that rubbish.
Fiction is not history.

Ha, you just wont quit huh? My comment was about science and history refs and you only chime in when the Bible is brought up. You dont think historians look at the bible to connect dots with history? You doubt that the judea deity had no place in ancient culture? Of course it did, we have evidence dating to those times. You dont think intelligent man possibly recorded family tree history during the beginning of human evolution to intelligence?

I didnt say historians believe all stories are accurate, but nonetheless, archeologists and ancient historians absolutely take into account what is written in the bible as regards to geographical history etc. They have very little else to go by.

HISTORY IS STORIES bro, not observational ANYTHING so stop saying you can disprove the Bible, you cant. You can make good arguments against it but you cant prove jack.

You probably dont think any history is true based on the attitude, oh no wait, i bet if it doesnt threaten your atheism you believe it. Abraham never existed? These men in the old testiment stories are fake? the kings?

lol.

lets get back to science and history. not atheism vs theism please Retro.

 

[yesum]

Not trying to argue Mad Lab, but the Greek mythologies have historical backgrounds too. They found a city mentioned in one of the myths, which does not mean the myths are true.

From what I have read it is quite certain that Jesus did exist. The parts about him doing miracles and rising from the dead is the uncertain aspect at least for me.

 

[Kook]

Edwin hubble big bang ,men number king salomon ,666 gold of salomon in a bank,

Beast 7heads 7bills .beast on beach wall street or new amsterdam slaves market .

To have money it is necessary to work. Be sold . Money its the new god .

Some people believe in the devil .look this video : eye of the phoenix secrets of the dollar bill

 

[genedigger]

ive noticed the folks who believe in evolution love to attack the bible ,god ,and religion.now ill admit religion has been involved in some bullshit over the ages mostly when it gets tied up in government but most religions teach the golden rule.[except maybe islam and some of its sects]what golden rule does evolution teach?ive only noticed that this theory promotes disunity and this thread is proof thereof.

 

[bombadil.360]

ive noticed the folks who believe in evolution love to attack the bible ,god ,and religion.now ill admit religion has been involved in some bullshit over the ages mostly when it gets tied up in government but most religions teach the gowon't provide anything like rule.[except maybe islam and some of its sects]what golden rule does evolution teach?ive only noticed that this theory promotes disunity and this thread is proof thereof.

Hello gene,

The actual problem is that some people tend to compare apples and oranges.

In other words, The Theory of Evolution is a Scientific Theory (not to be confused with a theory outside the empirical sciences), and as such it does not have the purpose to provide man with ethical and moral issues, nor spiritual and religious issues, hence it won't provide anything along the lines of the golden rule.

Not only that, but a Scientific Theory is only preoccupied with explaining How Nature Functions, and never crosses into Why Is There Nature, for example, as if it does, it ceases to be Scientific and degrades into mere pseudo-religion and is labelled Scienticism instead.

This, sadly, happens a lot in pop culture as Science is misunderstood and misrepresented by dim-witts

Peace

 

[acridlab]

Oh, shit..this thread went all religious,,, Someone needs to bring politics into the conversation then it will b awesome!!

 

[Kook]

hi everyone. The Theory of Evolution is a Scientific Theory.human dna said we are programmed like a computer:
who is the programmer? please dna vs theory evolution seriously.

no genetic mutations is positive,geneticist know.
I just mean that it is not clear is all

 

[Kook]

a cannabis plant can grow apples or oranges ,whit evolution theory ?

a dog can fly like a bird

 

[resinryder]

Edwin hubble big bang ,men number king salomon ,666 gold of salomon in a bank,

Beast 7heads 7bills .beast on beach wall street or new amsterdam slaves market .

To have money it is necessary to work. Be sold . Money its the new god .

Some people believe in the devil .look this video : eye of the phoenix secrets of the dollar bill

Looks like, fill in your choice of ****berry, is back again

 

[Pinnate]

The 'steady state' model is satisfying in a way an 'oscillating universe' can seemingly never be.

Today's accelerating expansion of the universe is predicated on distant light being red-shifted by movement away from the observer!

But, as with sound and radio waves, higher frequencies attenuate (more than low frequencies) with distance travelled ─ low booming of distant thunder, high distance propagation of VLF radio and red-shifted light!

Distant galaxies show high degrees of red-shift which may be attributable to great distance alone.

 

[genedigger]

computers program themselves,houses build themselves,automobiles design themselves,and so does everything else.nothing in this world is created,made or produced.it all just happens.it comes from nothing.i dont even cut my clones off.they just fall off the plant and land in the soil and sprout roots.evolution is the key to solving mankinds problems.this was darwins agenda.he knew that humans came from nothing and arent going anywhere after death.he must have figured a theory like this would lead the world into a utopian state,and promote love and unity.this might piss off a few folks.darwin liked little boys,and study homeboys early life you may find he wasnt into religion before he stated his theories.he didnt care for religion.sounds like a biased man to me.