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[Weird]

You make some good points, but I don't see how you can be so confident in what "most" people think.

Because how people think is reflected by their perceptions, which are reflected by their words.

I do not believe myself to be more intelligent or have a greater capacity that others.

If I felt anything I was bringing to the table was a matter of personal genetic capacity I wouldn't expect the same from others and would keep my mouth shut.

Rather how people perceive is so influenced by the sum total of their lives that it becomes very difficult for most to break this mirror. Yet a mirror of our own design it is.

In my profession I work with very successful PHds who suffer the same malady.

Let me explain how it works.

Guy gets into Harvard, becomes lawyer, makes 100's of millions, has world by balls, has problem with IT systems, in arrogance lawyer things his success will automatically lend expertise to his IT problems. Successful lawyer fucks up things worse, but do to his overwhelming success elsewhere in life accuses It provider (me) of faulty technology. So confident is lawyer in his works that he is confident he is right.

If I was influenced by his success I might believe him (so many people are so intimidated by him that they crumble in his presence), but because I don't it is my task to show him why he is wrong without saying it in a way that accuses him of any fault.

I do this all day long, and it is not limited to technology.

It is no different than the shared perceptions in this thread, they are very personally relevant but universally shallow.

I have written about universal and relative truth to help open minds but I guess it is time for that conversation again.

A man stands in the USA and a man stands in Australia.

They both look up

if you ask them what they see and one man says night time sky and the other says daytime sky, they both speak in truth but it is relative. That is their truths are as equally true to them as individuals but not universally.

Now if they both simply said sky, they would be speaking in universal truth, as the reality is the same for both of them.

We live in a multi dimentsional world on every level but the human mind is "programmed" to think in two dimensional so to speak.

If you don't step outside this programming you will always be trapped in arguing relative truths as if they were universal.

Smart people in power know this and use this dynamic to sway public opinion.

The Nazis they were so expert at propaganda they are still studied today for that purpose.

 

[Weird]

You know bro....like I said: sounds good on paper. "Opening the upper dimensions of our own humanity" fuck humanity. what has humanity done for any greater good of anything? not a thing...we are nothing unless we are a plague of arrogance. less than shit flinging monkeys....way less. this is now....life is now...evolvement into some glowing beings is not us. never will be. we are mean fucking beasts...born of the muck...with a very small % meek enough to not face up to that reality...and an even smaller % believing themselves above it. Humanity is a silly concept....made up by silly people

....deep in a stoner bro forum. I could understand it...if I was 20 and back in university....eating a pizza and contemplating a blow job. It is what it is...the entertainment factor dwindling. I was really hoping for hell fire or high handed put downs.

religion disgusts me....and I'm pretty sure mathematicians and physicist are unable to cope without theory.

I get it, painfully so, obviously humanity has done nothing for YOU so you have condemned it for everyone else.

apply, lather, wash, rinse, repeat.

No different nor dangerous than the religious extreme.

How so do you ask?

because you will limit your stock in humanity based on how you feel about it.

Your belief limits effects how you interact with humanity, making you judgemental of others.

You don't appreciate the upper limits of our humanity because you have refused to search that facet of yourself out because no one else around you has done so first, so why should you bother.

So many people think they are unique and that their perspective can't be understood, but others have possessed and overcome the same paradigms, so that is how someone like me can understand you and say the things I say.

What you say does not exist for you has manifested for many others. We all walk the same roads whether we choose to recognize it or not, albiet some of us are further down the path than others.

I feel the Buddhist concept of the ten spiritual realms is quite poignant in showing the lower and upper limits of humanity.

I find this to be quite accurate in describing the human condition.

The ten spiritual realms

Six realms of desire

The six lower realms are Hell, Hunger, Animality, Arrogance, Humanity and Rapture.[3] These six lower worlds arise automatically from within people’s lives in response to external surroundings. Three of the four remaining worlds are: Learning, Realization and Bodhisattva. These worlds are developed through seeking, discovering and aspiring. The tenth world, Buddhahood, is a condition of pure, indestructible knowledge.
Hell

Hell is a condition of total claustrophobic aggression,[4] in which one perceives no freedom of action and has very little life-force (physical or mental energy). One feels totally trapped by one's circumstances, the being is dominated by anger, hatred and frustrated rage and, in extreme cases, the urge to destroy oneself and everything else. It is a very difficult realm to escape from, since the condition tends to be self-perpetuating, with intense suffering and aggression feeding each other (one's sojourn in Hell is described as being measured in kalpas).[5] Paradoxically, although this state is characterized by claustrophobia, there is an obsession with filling up any space which may present itself, since the space itself is perceived as being threatening. The desire not to fall into this condition is a powerful incentive for people to make efforts to rise above this state in daily life.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of Naraka.
Hunger

Hunger is a condition characterized by possessiveness and insatiable desires which govern one's actions, for food, power, wealth, fame, pleasure and so on.[4] In this state one is tormented by relentless craving and the inability, even when the desire is achieved, to enjoy its fruition. This realm is characterized by a total lack of willpower and the disregard of all things except the fulfillment of desires.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of the Pretas (Hungry Ghosts).[4]
Animality/Brutality

Animality is a condition in which one is governed by instinct,[4] in which one has no sense of morality and lives only for the present moment. In this state one won't hesitate to prey on weaker beings for personal gain, and will try to attract the attentions of stronger beings in order to side with them. This realm is characterized by the total lack of good judgment and reason.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of Animals.
Arrogance (or anger)

Arrogance is the condition in which one is dominated by the selfish ego, competitiveness, paranoid jealousy and the need to be superior in all things, being they mundane or spiritual. Though potentially virtuous, the experiencer is a slave to his/her delusions, considering ones ego and beliefs as more important than - and superior to - others. This realm is characterized by viewing other beings as potential threats. Still, the rest of the experience in this realm is generally quite pleasant as compared to the human realm.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of the Asuras or 'half-gods'.[4]
Humanity (or passionate idealism)

Humanity is the state in which the discriminating awareness and the thinking mind are most highly developed.[4] It is characterized by ambitious passion for abstract ideals and role models, and is unique among the lower realms in providing both the potential means and the motivation to transcend suffering. It is also characterized by shortness of life, in comparison to the Deva and Asura realms, and by being extremely rare in occurrence, without refuge in the Dharma.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of Humans.
Heaven (or rapture)

Heaven is the condition of pleasure, when one's desires are fulfilled and one experiences short-lived but intense feelings of joy. Unlike the true happiness of Buddhahood, however, this state is temporary and, like Humanity, easily disrupted by even a slight change of circumstances. One will inevitably descend to a lower realm once the joy dies away. This realm is characterized by not feeling negative emotions and being less vulnerable to external influences than the lower realms.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of the Devas or 'gods'.[4]
The majority of sentient beings spend most of their time moving between these six conditions of life, from Hell to Rapture, governed by their reactions to external influences and therefore highly vulnerable to all of the six lower realms, the experiencer's emotional state is totally controlled by externals. Indeed his/her entire identity is based on externals.
Four higher (noble) realms

In traditional Mahayana Buddhist cosmology, the four higher realms are four of the ten spiritual realms.
The four higher worlds are characterized by the belief that humans need to make an effort to reveal themselves from within their lives.
Learning

Learning is a condition in which one seeks some skill, lasting truth or self-improvement through the teachings of others. To access this realm, the experiencer must first develop the desire to gain wisdom and insight into the true nature of all things, free from delusion. This realm is characterized by the seeking of truth and wisdom through external sources, e.g. other people and pre-recorded information (usually texts).
This condition is comparable to the state of the Śrāvakabuddha.
Realization (or absorption)

Realization is a state in which one discovers a partial truth through one's own observations, efforts and concentration. Usually to access this realm the experiencer must first have decided external sources are inferior to internal sources, e.g. his/her own mind. This realm is characterized by the seeking of truth and wisdom through direct internal perception.
This condition is comparable to the state of the Pratyekabuddha.
The two above realms are collectively known as 'the two vehicles'. Even though these realms are based upon the desire to increase wisdom and insight, ego is still present, as these desires are primarily self-oriented.
Bodhisattvahood

Bodhisattvahood is a condition in which one not only aspires for personal enlightenment but also devotes oneself to relieving the sufferings of others through compassionate and truly altruistic actions, e.g. helping others. This realm is characterized by the feeling that happiness achieved through the benefit of others is superior to happiness achieved through the benefit of only the self.
This condition is that of a Bodhisattva.
Buddhahood

Buddhahood is the highest of the Ten Worlds, a condition of pure, indestructible happiness which is not dependent on one's circumstances. The experiencer is totally free from all delusion, suffering and anger. It is a condition of perfect and absolute freedom, characterized by boundless wisdom, courage, compassion and life force. This realm is difficult to describe and is generally only obtained through the direct internal perception of the realm of realization. This realm is characterized by not being shifted into lower realms due to external sources, and the non-reliance on external sources for happiness. This realm is manifested outwardly through the actions of the realm of bodhisattvahood.
This condition is that of a fully enlightened Buddha.
Interpenetration of the Ten Realms

The humanity world possesses all Ten Worlds. The lower realms have the potential to reveal any of the others at any moment. Some sects of Buddhism believe that as people practice Buddhism they make Buddhahood the dominant state of their lives, as it acts as a kind of filter, revealing the positive aspects of the other nine worlds from Hell to Bodhisattva.
The realms may be labelled the same by Buddhist sects that see them as planes of existence; in this case they are shifted between through material or spiritual rebirth. This is governed by karma (action and volition: the choices made during life).[6]

 

[Weird]

Good day Weird,

Not sure I can agree with your assessment of how extremists come into being... Sufism is not for the rich for example, in fact, quite the opposite, and poverty is not a barrier for them to study deeply their religion and its philosophy...on the other hand, you have extremely wealthy individuals who could have used their money to better their religious educations, but instead end up blowing themselves up.

Have you lived in such an improvised area that you can talk from first hand experience? Have you studied the people and their philosophies with an open mind and heart so you could simply come to understand them regardless of whether you agree with them? Do you think it is superior tactic to just expect them to understand and to murder them if they don't comply?

Let me put it into a different context. Extremist segments of society are much like children who develop into adults. That segments of society go through the same process, which for those with the least resources getting the least development, leaving them stunted in their development.

See like the vocal religious front you seem very judgmental. When your friends shared with you about the messiah you laughed. What you didn't do is strive to understand why. You don't have to believe in something to understand what people get from it.

Without that process you can't understand and bring a solution to the problem, which must be a problem, based on how you perceive it.

Interestingly enough you never mentioned if the same belief systems are what makes your friends worth being friends with. I will make that assumption but then it proves their beliefs don't make them bad humans and that differing beliefs don't have to separate us.

It is how we treat other humans that defines that, its how we regard the human potential that defines that, now what we use to actualize those definitions and potentials.

It is naive and dangerous to excuse and justify the extremists by using the scape-goat of "the gringos, masons, illuminaty, Jews, the devil made me do it"

You obviously did not watch the power principle.

Your beliefs are based on your own cognitive capacity and you project that onto others, not on the reality of individual capacity and culpability.

Have you had to watch your children die from hunger? Have you had to leave a place that your bloodline occupied for 20+ generations because of religious right?

How many extremists do you think have full unabided access to everything you have had throughout your life?

There's no hidden force and agenda of super intelligent group of people who are able to manipulate so many millions of free wills to force them to dance to their tunes... It takes two to tango, and believing otherwise is a clear symptom of a perception being distorted by paranoia and delusions.

so using the anology of child and adult why are child sex crimes illegal? Kids have free will.

But seriously it is because their will and understanding are relative to their development and you believe that once you grow to a certain age that changes like a light switch.

Doesn't work that way.

[qoute]Each individual is responsible for his actions, "they made me do it" is not a valid defense, just ask the convicted low level nazi soldiers how did that defense worked for them.

Peace[/quote]

Apples to oranges, before someone becomes a terrorist they need to have a ton of contempt and a belief that nothing will change unless they do something extreme.

Do you know what was on the hearts of the German people before Hitler took power? Do you know how he manipulated perspective to get them to commit to such atrocities?

Do you know anyone Germans or Americans that fought in WWII?

I do.

Do you now anyone that would give their life for a cause? Do you know people with that kind of passion and determination?

Have you made effort to understand why they feel that way?

I do.

Painfully shallow to think that we are incapable of change, that we are cast in stone in regards to our being.

I have broken bread with about every "face" humanity has to offer and your view is your own projected onto them, the other aspects of humanity exist in them, but they don't share it with the opposition.

And that is what this all boils down too, that individual perceptions cannot exist unless we draw a line in the sand and call a challenge. That is primitive and by choice.

 

[Weird]

Someone mentioned to me that I must have an interesting career.

Let me demystify myself a bit. I have been in IT for 3 decades +. I come from a intelligent, educated parents whose families were very educated and affluent. I however did not get the same privilege but was around it my whole life. This does not undermine my intelligence but put it into a completely different perspective.

I used to operate at the high levels in corporate IT but now maintain a minimalist consultancy with some long term clients and the occasional referral. It has become so difficult for me to interact with the main stream that I have had to rely on growing to keep my bills paid.

My mental illness (In reality it is a difference) limits my capacity to interact with people regardless of my capabilities. On one hand I suffer pretty intense social anxiety and have since I was a child. It marginalizes everything I do, including my education (lucky I graduated HS).

But on the other hand I live in the heart of materialistic America and I am not the conformist type, I am also, regardless of my love for humanity, a classical deviant.

So, simply said, I refuse to play ball in a game that is stacked against others, regardless of the fact I know how to play it well. I am painfully honest and have a deep reverence for the humanity in us all. I refuse to conform to the way of the world, but since I was a child have decided to conform to the image of my conscious potential. I know that this goes against the current of the mainstream. I know this puts me at odds with it. But I have found maintaining integrity in regards to my humanity has opened doors for me that allows me to access every one elses.

Raising the bar has gotten me more of what I want that lowering it, but it hasn't made me rich, famous or given me any real tangible worth. But that was never what I was looking for.

I guess that makes me a weirdo.

 

[waveguide]

Jericho. I hate to admit it, but I agree with you... Man simply a beast, imo, calling ourselves animals is an insult to animals, hence why beasts is a better term, maybe even monsters

ok bom now u are the wrong

to preempt, JM is right.. another dumb convo... with his sustained distain and inability to acknowledge that eg. buddhism is a "belief system" founded on the concept of nescience.. solipsism.. what can we do with the understanding that we cannot know...

but dude sits back and laughs and says everyone thinks they know, like the other half of the planet simply doesn't exist in the western view..

which is why i preamble..

bom says, there's no way a group can influence so many people!

yet the entirety of the u.s. are unaware that buddhism is not a religion, that jainism even exists, and according to a hollywood blockbuster, the mayans are a savage, bloodthirsty people.... now i ask you... if you deny the mechanisms of "perception management" then you are not a friend of humanity... because this is the great struggle of the technologic era.

now, my non-preamble point - about those bloodthirsty mayans..

i'm white skinned, i have a welshy accent in the u.s.a. that makes me sound like an educated fuck. i was raised to speak "well" and a lot of americans have an instinctive negative responce to my "classy" accent, even though if you look in my eyes you'll see the guy that saves animals and gives weed for free.

in my life i keep going to these places where the white guys say "oh stay away from the indigenous people, they'll beat the shit out of you" - and predictably, it's the "uncivilised" people who are truly sensitive, and have been kind to me, instead of treating me with fear.

this is the mark of western civilisation - perception management. you can't see mankind because you have been trained to see beasts, when the ugliest creature going is the one who gets all their ideas from artifact and civilisation rather than actually looking at nature.

there's nothing wrong or evil about mankind, until you sit his ass in front of a television and tell him he's privileged to have such a great erudition. then, he starts thinking he's the fucking shit. and if he watches it long enough, his eyes become attuned to shapes and colours and no longer are able to see beyond this artificially reproducible spectrum.



the idea that man is evil, that you should get ahead of others because they'll shaft you, is how to screw society 101. it's the preamble of the "fake" protocols of zion. it's the most demeaning, degrading lie you can tell, to say there is no hope, because everyone is gonig to "d you" anyway unless you do them first, so a person sees everythnig in those terms.

and it's simply bullshit. those hawai'ians, apaches or aborigines that were supposed to beat the shit out of whitey had gentle eyes that you will never, ever, EVER see on any person raised in a home with a tv or radio.

i live in the fucking desert where life and water are precious. so precious that once i pissed and a lizard ran into my piss and started licking it up, looking at me like "you're not mad at me?" and i'll tell you about life in the desert -

it's precious shit. and every creature knows they have to cooperate with the community. every snake, every raptor, every coyote, has to look what the other communities think, so they predate on the asshole animal, so they predate on the plant growing in the wrong place. but again, civilised people3 already have condescending ideas about animals so they will never perceive that they are far fucking more knowledgeable and perceptive than people.

if you disagree with that, i'm sorry for our loss, i was hoping you were above that.

 

[DrFever]

Someone mentioned to me that I must have an interesting career.

Let me demystify myself a bit. I have been in IT for 3 decades +. I come from a intelligent, educated parents whose families were very educated and affluent. I however did not get the same privilege but was around it my whole life. This does not undermine my intelligence but put it into a completely different perspective.

I used to operate at the high levels in corporate IT but now maintain a minimalist consultancy with some long term clients and the occasional referral. It has become so difficult for me to interact with the main stream that I have had to rely on growing to keep my bills paid.

My mental illness (In reality it is a difference) limits my capacity to interact with people regardless of my capabilities. On one hand I suffer pretty intense social anxiety and have since I was a child. It marginalizes everything I do, including my education (lucky I graduated HS).

But on the other hand I live in the heart of materialistic America and I am not the conformist type, I am also, regardless of my love for humanity, a classical deviant.

So, simply said, I refuse to play ball in a game that is stacked against others, regardless of the fact I know how to play it well. I am painfully honest and have a deep reverence for the humanity in us all. I refuse to conform to the way of the world, but since I was a child have decided to conform to the image of my conscious potential. I know that this goes against the current of the mainstream. I know this puts me at odds with it. But I have found maintaining integrity in regards to my humanity has opened doors for me that allows me to access every one elses.

Raising the bar has gotten me more of what I want that lowering it, but it hasn't made me rich, famous or given me any real tangible worth. But that was never what I was looking for.

I guess that makes me a weirdo.

Or A NERD lol

 

[D. B. Doober]

I wonder what alien religion is like? Think they all know 'bout Jeebsus? Jesus and Moses and Mohammed are all from Earth...or heaven? At any rate, aliens wouldn't know about them, they'd have other prophets or messengers. That's cool.

 

[Weird]

Or A NERD lol

thanks for sharing

 

[Weird]

I wonder what alien religion is like? Think they all know 'bout Jeebsus? Jesus and Moses and Mohammed are all from Earth...or heaven? At any rate, aliens wouldn't know about them, they'd have other prophets or messengers. That's cool.

read stranger in a strange land

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

 

[Jericho Mile]

I get it, painfully so, obviously humanity has done nothing for YOU so you have condemned it for everyone else.

apply, lather, wash, rinse, repeat.

No different nor dangerous than the religious extreme.

How so do you ask?

because you will limit your stock in humanity based on how you feel about it.

Your belief limits effects how you interact with humanity, making you judgemental of others.

You don't appreciate the upper limits of our humanity because you have refused to search that facet of yourself out because no one else around you has done so first, so why should you bother.

So many people think they are unique and that their perspective can't be understood, but others have possessed and overcome the same paradigms, so that is how someone like me can understand you and say the things I say.

What you say does not exist for you has manifested for many others. We all walk the same roads whether we choose to recognize it or not, albiet some of us are further down the path than others.

I feel the Buddhist concept of the ten spiritual realms is quite poignant in showing the lower and upper limits of humanity.

I find this to be quite accurate in describing the human condition.

The ten spiritual realms

Six realms of desire

The six lower realms are Hell, Hunger, Animality, Arrogance, Humanity and Rapture.[3] These six lower worlds arise automatically from within people’s lives in response to external surroundings. Three of the four remaining worlds are: Learning, Realization and Bodhisattva. These worlds are developed through seeking, discovering and aspiring. The tenth world, Buddhahood, is a condition of pure, indestructible knowledge.
Hell

Hell is a condition of total claustrophobic aggression,[4] in which one perceives no freedom of action and has very little life-force (physical or mental energy). One feels totally trapped by one's circumstances, the being is dominated by anger, hatred and frustrated rage and, in extreme cases, the urge to destroy oneself and everything else. It is a very difficult realm to escape from, since the condition tends to be self-perpetuating, with intense suffering and aggression feeding each other (one's sojourn in Hell is described as being measured in kalpas).[5] Paradoxically, although this state is characterized by claustrophobia, there is an obsession with filling up any space which may present itself, since the space itself is perceived as being threatening. The desire not to fall into this condition is a powerful incentive for people to make efforts to rise above this state in daily life.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of Naraka.
Hunger

Hunger is a condition characterized by possessiveness and insatiable desires which govern one's actions, for food, power, wealth, fame, pleasure and so on.[4] In this state one is tormented by relentless craving and the inability, even when the desire is achieved, to enjoy its fruition. This realm is characterized by a total lack of willpower and the disregard of all things except the fulfillment of desires.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of the Pretas (Hungry Ghosts).[4]
Animality/Brutality

Animality is a condition in which one is governed by instinct,[4] in which one has no sense of morality and lives only for the present moment. In this state one won't hesitate to prey on weaker beings for personal gain, and will try to attract the attentions of stronger beings in order to side with them. This realm is characterized by the total lack of good judgment and reason.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of Animals.
Arrogance (or anger)

Arrogance is the condition in which one is dominated by the selfish ego, competitiveness, paranoid jealousy and the need to be superior in all things, being they mundane or spiritual. Though potentially virtuous, the experiencer is a slave to his/her delusions, considering ones ego and beliefs as more important than - and superior to - others. This realm is characterized by viewing other beings as potential threats. Still, the rest of the experience in this realm is generally quite pleasant as compared to the human realm.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of the Asuras or 'half-gods'.[4]
Humanity (or passionate idealism)

Humanity is the state in which the discriminating awareness and the thinking mind are most highly developed.[4] It is characterized by ambitious passion for abstract ideals and role models, and is unique among the lower realms in providing both the potential means and the motivation to transcend suffering. It is also characterized by shortness of life, in comparison to the Deva and Asura realms, and by being extremely rare in occurrence, without refuge in the Dharma.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of Humans.
Heaven (or rapture)

Heaven is the condition of pleasure, when one's desires are fulfilled and one experiences short-lived but intense feelings of joy. Unlike the true happiness of Buddhahood, however, this state is temporary and, like Humanity, easily disrupted by even a slight change of circumstances. One will inevitably descend to a lower realm once the joy dies away. This realm is characterized by not feeling negative emotions and being less vulnerable to external influences than the lower realms.
This condition is comparable to the Buddhist world of the Devas or 'gods'.[4]
The majority of sentient beings spend most of their time moving between these six conditions of life, from Hell to Rapture, governed by their reactions to external influences and therefore highly vulnerable to all of the six lower realms, the experiencer's emotional state is totally controlled by externals. Indeed his/her entire identity is based on externals.
Four higher (noble) realms

In traditional Mahayana Buddhist cosmology, the four higher realms are four of the ten spiritual realms.
The four higher worlds are characterized by the belief that humans need to make an effort to reveal themselves from within their lives.
Learning

Learning is a condition in which one seeks some skill, lasting truth or self-improvement through the teachings of others. To access this realm, the experiencer must first develop the desire to gain wisdom and insight into the true nature of all things, free from delusion. This realm is characterized by the seeking of truth and wisdom through external sources, e.g. other people and pre-recorded information (usually texts).
This condition is comparable to the state of the Śrāvakabuddha.
Realization (or absorption)

Realization is a state in which one discovers a partial truth through one's own observations, efforts and concentration. Usually to access this realm the experiencer must first have decided external sources are inferior to internal sources, e.g. his/her own mind. This realm is characterized by the seeking of truth and wisdom through direct internal perception.
This condition is comparable to the state of the Pratyekabuddha.
The two above realms are collectively known as 'the two vehicles'. Even though these realms are based upon the desire to increase wisdom and insight, ego is still present, as these desires are primarily self-oriented.
Bodhisattvahood

Bodhisattvahood is a condition in which one not only aspires for personal enlightenment but also devotes oneself to relieving the sufferings of others through compassionate and truly altruistic actions, e.g. helping others. This realm is characterized by the feeling that happiness achieved through the benefit of others is superior to happiness achieved through the benefit of only the self.
This condition is that of a Bodhisattva.
Buddhahood

Buddhahood is the highest of the Ten Worlds, a condition of pure, indestructible happiness which is not dependent on one's circumstances. The experiencer is totally free from all delusion, suffering and anger. It is a condition of perfect and absolute freedom, characterized by boundless wisdom, courage, compassion and life force. This realm is difficult to describe and is generally only obtained through the direct internal perception of the realm of realization. This realm is characterized by not being shifted into lower realms due to external sources, and the non-reliance on external sources for happiness. This realm is manifested outwardly through the actions of the realm of bodhisattvahood.
This condition is that of a fully enlightened Buddha.
Interpenetration of the Ten Realms

The humanity world possesses all Ten Worlds. The lower realms have the potential to reveal any of the others at any moment. Some sects of Buddhism believe that as people practice Buddhism they make Buddhahood the dominant state of their lives, as it acts as a kind of filter, revealing the positive aspects of the other nine worlds from Hell to Bodhisattva.
The realms may be labelled the same by Buddhist sects that see them as planes of existence; in this case they are shifted between through material or spiritual rebirth. This is governed by karma (action and volition: the choices made during life).[6]

Buddy Boy...you take it anyway you want. What I feel...you feel...has nothing to do with God or your Bang.

Buddhism is a hustle...just like all the rest of the organized nonsense. If it were not for their benefactors...the priest would starve and live in a soiled reality. that's a fact....Buddhism relies heavily on contributions....and the wealthy to survive..as long as..it has. So much for enlightenment. I know it seems romantic to westerners...sitting under a tree contemplating existence for 20yrs....what a cop out.

talk about programming, son. You are a walking guilt trip.

* you and me...just computer entities...nothing more. You have no idea where I've been or who I am...and I have no such knowledges of your existence. So....keep your assessments of how I feel..and what my beliefs are...to yourself. I'm not here to judge you...but I am here to call bullshit and derail your sense of what humanity is.

I have no powers to condemn shit...and neither do you...but I'll promise you this, Weird....I bust my fucking ass having fun. get that? Can you say the same?...or must you dig through your droves of computer files to figure that out?

A picture is worth a 1000 words. I'd enjoy seeing your physical condition...how much you respect the temple...how much you respect your life. Let's start there....then we can converse on this alienated bullshit of what humanity is all about. I expect people to be able to hang in the physical world...then I can give them credit for their deep thoughts and glory glory the human race viewpoints.

Where's Waveguide???....you two sound exactly alike. crack a few books...get a few degrees...spat out about enlightenment...peace and tranquility in the mighty mighty jungle of enslavement....lol...jesus...at least be original

 

[Jericho Mile]

ok bom now u are the wrong

to preempt, JM is right.. another dumb convo... with his sustained distain and inability to acknowledge that eg. buddhism is a "belief system" founded on the concept of nescience.. solipsism.. what can we do with the understanding that we cannot know...

but dude sits back and laughs and says everyone thinks they know, like the other half of the planet simply doesn't exist in the western view..

which is why i preamble..

bom says, there's no way a group can influence so many people!

yet the entirety of the u.s. are unaware that buddhism is not a religion, that jainism even exists, and according to a hollywood blockbuster, the mayans are a savage, bloodthirsty people.... now i ask you... if you deny the mechanisms of "perception management" then you are not a friend of humanity... because this is the great struggle of the technologic era.

now, my non-preamble point - about those bloodthirsty mayans..

i'm white skinned, i have a welshy accent in the u.s.a. that makes me sound like an educated fuck. i was raised to speak "well" and a lot of americans have an instinctive negative responce to my "classy" accent, even though if you look in my eyes you'll see the guy that saves animals and gives weed for free.

in my life i keep going to these places where the white guys say "oh stay away from the indigenous people, they'll beat the shit out of you" - and predictably, it's the "uncivilised" people who are truly sensitive, and have been kind to me, instead of treating me with fear.

this is the mark of western civilisation - perception management. you can't see mankind because you have been trained to see beasts, when the ugliest creature going is the one who gets all their ideas from artifact and civilisation rather than actually looking at nature.

there's nothing wrong or evil about mankind, until you sit his ass in front of a television and tell him he's privileged to have such a great erudition. then, he starts thinking he's the fucking shit. and if he watches it long enough, his eyes become attuned to shapes and colours and no longer are able to see beyond this artificially reproducible spectrum.



the idea that man is evil, that you should get ahead of others because they'll shaft you, is how to screw society 101. it's the preamble of the "fake" protocols of zion. it's the most demeaning, degrading lie you can tell, to say there is no hope, because everyone is gonig to "d you" anyway unless you do them first, so a person sees everythnig in those terms.

and it's simply bullshit. those hawai'ians, apaches or aborigines that were supposed to beat the shit out of whitey had gentle eyes that you will never, ever, EVER see on any person raised in a home with a tv or radio.

i live in the fucking desert where life and water are precious. so precious that once i pissed and a lizard ran into my piss and started licking it up, looking at me like "you're not mad at me?" and i'll tell you about life in the desert -

it's precious shit. and every creature knows they have to cooperate with the community. every snake, every raptor, every coyote, has to look what the other communities think, so they predate on the asshole animal, so they predate on the plant growing in the wrong place. but again, civilised people3 already have condescending ideas about animals so they will never perceive that they are far fucking more knowledgeable and perceptive than people.

if you disagree with that, i'm sorry for our loss, i was hoping you were above that.

you are a pompous and rude rube. a suckerfish for whatever book they tell you to read. address me...if you have something to say. I know passive aggression is your favorite tool...but be a stud...and again..comb your hair..and stand the fuck up...you are hunching again..pissing on yourself like a curr dog....pissing away opinion as fact

pissing away your days

 

[Weird]

Buddy Boy...you take it anyway you want. What I feel...you feel...has nothing to do with God or your Bang.

How we feel is manifested based on our perception. If that varies feelings vary.

Do you and I know how hunger feels? or how happiness feels?

Yes

Are those feelings stirred in the same way by the same things?

No

Based on your comment, it sounds like your perception is contained to the depth of your understanding, which is under your control.

Buddhism is a hustle...just like all the rest of the organized nonsense. If it were not for their benefactors...the priest would starve and live in a soiled reality. that's a fact....Buddhism relies heavily on contributions....and the wealthy to survive..as long as..it has. So much for enlightenment. I know it seems romantic to westerners...sitting under a tree contemplating existence for 20yrs....what a cop out.

Interesting, because I learned Buddhism here, for free, bereft cost, either monetary or through effort to conform to a mantra of origination.

Once again it seems you speak from your perspective, not based on reality outside of your own.

I understand your resistance to accept that there are other dynamics to our being because it might force you to look for those things within yourself and apparently those are not aspects of yourself you have developed, for whatever reason.

talk about programming, son. You are a walking guilt trip.
* you and me...just computer entities...nothing more. You have no idea where I've been or who I am...and I have no such knowledges of your existence.

We are free willed computer entities at that. I don't need to know where you have been to understand your perspective. Based on perspective, yours lacks observations that come with specific life experiences which is often reflected by our age.

So....keep your assessments of how I feel..and what my beliefs are...to yourself. I'm not here to judge you...but I am here to call bullshit and derail your sense of what humanity is.

Do you understand the conundrum of that statement?

I can't understand how you feel but you can understand how I sense. Where are how are those functions happening?

individually in our minds.

The sense of humanity you shit on is practiced by many people here, in various forms but Buddhism is one of them.

Slander what you don't understand at your own peril.

I have no powers to condemn shit...and neither do you...but I'll promise you this, Weird....I bust my fucking ass having fun. get that? Can you say the same?...or must you dig through your droves of computer files to figure that out?

I live as I choose to that was the point of the post before, I march to the beat of my own drum.

I don't need to do it from a perspective that marginalizes others or breed apathy.

I can afford to live according to my own desires while playing nice with others, without marginalizing those different than me.

Anyone can live a narcissistic, materialistic, apathetic life where the only one that really matters is them self. If that did anything for more I would be all about it.

Not fulfilling.

A picture is worth a 1000 words. I'd enjoy seeing your physical condition...how much you respect the temple...how much you respect your life. Let's start there....then we can converse on this alienated bullshit of what humanity is all about. I expect people to be able to hang in the physical world...then I can give them credit for their deep thoughts and glory glory the human race viewpoints.

My body is most certainly my temple but I admit am not perfect, at clsoe to 50 and mid winter im a bit overweight right now since I am SAD bipolar (210 5'10") but I do still have pictures where I am 235 and under 10% body fat. I trained quite extensively as well as worked a very physical job in my youth. It never satisfied me. It never made me feel complete. It never made feel better.

I have spent a good portion of my life on the water, in conditions won't brave, have been deep in natural elements many times.

I eat organically, I grow completely organically, and expect the same from the work I do, I don't give less to others than I expect for myself.

I have lived a physically challenging life but I have also live in dimensions outside of that. Have you?

Can you rise to a challenge outside your comfort zone? What happens when the impermanence of life keeps you from living it on your own terms or is your will superior in that this will never happen?

Where's Waveguide???....you two sound exactly alike. crack a few books...get a few degrees...spat out about enlightenment...peace and tranquility in the mighty mighty jungle of enslavement....lol...jesus...at least be original

A degree in what

physical dominance via the internet?

comparative apathy?

competitive belligerence?

If you came to help people understand you have to understand how to help people

you don't seem to have much regard for people so what is your agenda?

 

[DrFever]

When i sit here and really think about religion specially Christianity, or catholic . any religion that has Jesus in it.
I think of this 99% of all inmates in the US high-security prisons - having committed the most violent crimes - are Christian. Fact.

Name me a mass murderer who was an atheist? Hitler was Christian, Stalin was Christian, Pol Pot was Buddhist, Gadafi and Sadam Hussein - muslim. what are you going on about.
Do you mean to say they all chose to ignore their religious morals?
Yes, but so does everyone who speaks a lie, white lie or not. Another was Timothy McVeigh . Along with aid from Terry Nichols, they succeeded in killing a large number of people when the [federal] Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma was brought down with a giant fertilizer truck-bomb. These two are of the survivalist faction and it would be in line with their backgrounds that they were both Christians. McVeigh has since been executed.
But as we even dig deeper what do we find ???
In November 1095 Pope Urban II called upon the knights of France to journey to the Holy Land and liberate the city of Jerusalem and the Christians of the east from Muslim power. In return they would be granted an unprecedented spiritual reward – the remission of all their sins – and thereby escape the torments of Hell, their likely destination after lives of violence and greed. The response to Urban’s appeal was astounding; over 60,000 people set out to recover the Holy Land and secure this reward and, in some cases, take the chance to set up new territories. Almost four years later, in July 1099, the survivors conquered Jerusalem in an orgy of killing.While most of the knights returned home, the creation of the Crusader States formed a permanent Christian (or ‘Frankish’) presence in the Levant. In 1187, however, Saladin defeated their forces at the Battle of Hattin and brought Jerusalem back under Muslim control. The Franks held onto other lands until 1291 when they were finally driven out by the Mamluks of Egypt to end Christian rule in the Holy Land.
So keep praying and coloring your self peaceful and keep scaring people if they do not knee jerk then they will spend the rest of there life's in internal fire you guys call hell hahaha

 

[Weird]

thats like all people who smoke pot are homogenous

not all people who think something are the same

not all people who claim to represent something really believe in it

lol this is very simple stuff

why don't you guys riddle me this?

How many people have you given too selflessly?

How many lives have you transformed with good deed?

How much focus do you put on the good that happens in the world versus the bad?

Who controls your focus?

 

[Weird]

people who can't break the limits of self belief will be forced to suffer the consequences thereof

if you don't believe we have a greater potential or that we can live in harmony then you won't contribute to that dynamic

 

[BlueBlazer]

What is consciousness and self awareness? Where did it come from? Why are we here? What is the point?!?

Mankind seems to have been driven by these questions, but there has never been a consensus despite all the time we've spent trying to answer them.

With science we are learning that our brains, though wonderful organs, have severe limitations in experiencing life through sensory inputs. Be careful thinking you have it pegged, the brain can be fooled rather easily. Magicians make a living taking advantage of the brain's blind spots. We think we have a pretty good handle on things only to discover we are unable to explain things we just saw.

It is well to remember that we assemble the reality that we operate in by our senses, but what we and others see, feel, taste, hear, and smell can be completely different.

Who are we to deal in absolutes?

 

[genedigger]

our senses are so limited i dont even see how science can progress by using them.who are we to think that humans are the highest life form and we've figured out all we know with our subpar senses of sight and smell ect...im starting to believe that science is extremely limited.

 

[bombadil.360]

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I could go on and on, but I have already talked way more than I feel comfortable with, I may edit this post later on...


While you are feeling sorry for the poor Germans before WW2 and trying to understand 'the other' and blaming everyone of 'projecting' take a look at how much nonsense you talk about, the power principle? lol please, falling for new age nonsense much?


You can't even convince a couple of herb loving posters on icmag about your ideas and yet you buy into that stuff, hilarious


Peace!

 

[siftedunity]

The power beyond thunder and lightening was supernatural to primitive man but not to us in this place in time and space.

Did understanding it from a supernatural or natural still allow us to work within the same framework of reality regardless?

primitive man didn't understand how the forces of nature worked. its quite different to religion.

religion isnt a force of nature perceived by man, it is an invention of man.

what you said actually brings up a point about religion which is one of its biggest crimes, it slows down progression in so many things, science being one of the biggest, society as a whole. we will only live in a free world when things like religion are finally in the past.
all brought about as a means of explaining why we are here, then manipulated by people in high places to control the masses and for personal gain.

 

[Mad Lab]

Mad WTF are you exactly ???
Catholicism is a denomination, and is, therefore, a subset of Christianity. All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics. A Christian refers to a follower of Jesus Christ who may be a Catholic, Protestant, Gnostic, Mormon, Evangelical, Anglican or Orthodox, or follower of another branch of the religion.

Its pretty much same fucking thing don;t you think ?? See this is typical BS

not at all buddy. when i wasnt a christian, and didnt care about anyones elses belief system, i thought the same thing as you, but i was incorrect, as are you.

i wont go into it, noone wants to hear the difference, but the fact you think that those differences arnt HUGE to a life philosophy to live by, is just ignorance, not stupidity, keeping living and learning.

Name me a mass murderer who was an atheist?

lol now your just telling everyone in this thread your kind of an idiot.

you dont think any evil man has been a atheist? you think hitler was truly a christian? haha... who even wants to respond to that non-sense.

"if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?” - Jeffrey Dahmer.