maybe, but you did it first and more importantly shared it with everyone. so props.
plus i always call the HMK swing an HMK swing so it's already in my lexicon.
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maybe, but you did it first and more importantly shared it with everyone. so props.
plus i always call the HMK swing an HMK swing so it's already in my lexicon.
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Yeah if you even check on instagram theres a hashtag being used for it, i think its like #HMKpress haha. Thanks for sharing the knowledge! Heading out to the store to go grab a quick grip!
Do you think it could be simply an aesthetic thing? I really don't see the drops that often and truly never payed attention or cared too much. As I said that was all just theory and I'm for sure not 100% positive of anything with rosin except the basics. For instance does it bead into droplets right away before you open up the parchment package?
I did some super dry material, and had to use excessive heat, like 240f and mad pressure to get any juice to happen and it didn't bead into droplets. I wonder if ambient air temp might have something to do with? More rosin mysteries, but do yall think it's really to big of a deal besides making collection harder? I'm just not sure what to think of this all.
Beginning terpene profile of the material I believe for sure has a lot to do with it. Terp profile changes with rosin indeed.
One theory I came up with I call the "chaos collision theory." If I'm correct in my deductions, the more material, whether wider surface area or thicker pack, the longer it will take to extract no matter what the shape or size or thickness is, just simply more material in a single press will take more time to extract, this is where increased pressures really help I've noticed.
Yeah on my super dry presses, I wasn't getting a single squirt until I upper the pressure dramatically and bumped the heat up way higher then I'd prefer. Adding moisture via a mister bottle at two sprays per ounce inside a turkey bag really helped alot!!! 4 sprays was guaranteed blow out. I lay it out flat, do one mist squeeze, gently mix, do a second mist squeeze, gently mix, then close the bag up and let sit for ablut 30 minutes to let the mlisture diffuse evenly into the material.
If you want insane terps, especially a mono concentration, don't let yet buds dry, you lose mad terps when it dries. If you can handle the excessive mlisture run off then maybe freeze and then dethaw when your ready for em. Personally I hate dealing with the excessive moisture. I pressed a few times with half dried flowers, terps were lovely but I had to let it dry up and cure a little bit cause initial test dab damn near exploded when it hit the nail lol! It scared me actually and made me jump hahaha!
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Do you think jarring the flowers and one of those hygrometers they talk about in the "perfect cure" thread along with a sponge or apple or wet q-tip might be a good way to go vs squirt bottle. It seems that would get the moisture more evenly dispersed through the flower...which seems like a good thing. I understand having a jar sit at to high of moisture for too long will just grow mold but knowing that "x" strain performs best at "x" moisture might be a.little more precise then "1/2 dry" or "x" amount of squirts from a bottle
Boveda packs, IMO
never paid attention or cared? well i wont comment on that part, but as for some ramblings i can make, let me start now. first paragraph, yes, its beaded inside the paper, it doesnt form beads as you open it or something like that.
#2 , collection is actually easier with droplets, as its a hotter extraction, and a drier extract obtained, much easier to collect than low temp film extract.
chaos collision seems overcomplicated but i agree, of course a larger sample will take longer/ more pressure or heat and moisture to completely extract. tiny buds pressed extract super fast...
for the exploding dabs, my low temp extract is super poppy and liquidy, but my curve capper enail setup you poked fun at awhile back takes care of that very nicely
i was just thinking the other day when i had to get dried buds to get the droplets, but in reflection really green buds do that too, at high heat, with tons of steaming and sizzle. I have to get to the point that its not moisture that affects the droplets so much as temperature. if its hot enough to steam the droplet formation can happen with dry or really damp/green buds..
Kinda funny how you all are finally talking about exact temps and clamp times now. When I asked people to share that info a couple months ago, I was blasted with negative comments about how I need to do more research and to figure it out myself. Glad to see those people have changed....you know who you are. This thread is about sharing info, thank you for doing so!
we just dont like be ordered to tell you stuff. just hang out and learn, you got the hang of it now
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I need to fix my heaters before I can post some temps and times and pics for you fine people.
I don't think any info I post will be of much use as I do not know the strains I am pressing or moisture content. but when I do get around to pressing more I'll be sure to record it all when the time comes.
I was planning on doing an eye based test with a 420scope to check bud quality but that is about all I have for tools and I dunno if that will be an accurate method for me in the long run. Maybe take a picture at 60x-100x and count the trichomes per area to get an idea of yields? what do you guys think?
for any one who does want to know I was doing 220f(lowest setting for flat iron) and testing between 5 seconds and 45 seconds with my HMK style press. the yields were better for the longer presses(10-15%) but not as tasty. I don't think any of us are exact experts at this so it will be good for everyone to dial their stuff in to a point where they are confident sharing said info as to not lead the world astray.
Once I have a better temperature control and plates I'll be sure to share
.I need to fix my heaters before I can post some temps and times and pics for you fine people.
I don't think any info I post will be of much use as I do not know the strains I am pressing or moisture content. but when I do get around to pressing more I'll be sure to record it all when the time comes.
I was planning on doing an eye based test with a 420scope to check bud quality but that is about all I have for tools and I dunno if that will be an accurate method for me in the long run. Maybe take a picture at 60x-100x and count the trichomes per area to get an idea of yields? what do you guys think?
for any one who does want to know I was doing 220f(lowest setting for flat iron) and testing between 5 seconds and 45 seconds with my HMK style press. the yields were better for the longer presses(10-15%) but not as tasty. I don't think any of us are exact experts at this so it will be good for everyone to dial their stuff in to a point where they are confident sharing said info as to not lead the world astray.
Once I have a better temperature control and plates I'll be sure to share
we just dont like be ordered to tell you stuff. just hang out and learn, you got the hang of it now
I never order anyone to tell me anything, I think a couple people may have misinterpreted my post. I apologize to anyone who may have been offended.
That being said...HMK, I agree with you about the type of end product that low vs high create. I like how the High temps produce a thicker puddle for me most of the time. And low temps have a thin film, most of the time. I am afraid of overheating tho...nobody knows at what point things start to change the quality of the Rosin. High heat takes a risk of vaporization, changing the color, smell, taste, etc. I personally think high heat extracts better. But I want quality!
There are so many factors, but moisture is possibly the most important factor. I prefer about 65-70% humidity in my jar for making Rosin, whereas I prefer 50-55% for vaporizing. I use a q-Tip tapped to the lid of my jar to raise material used for Rosin making. Too moist and the bud Squishes too thin, spreadsnout too far, and sticks to the paper. Too dry = low yield...and bud vaporizing at times. If I had a trust worthy testing site, I would start samples at different temps.
Strain is also a huge factor. My Space Bomb produces a lot better than my Cheesequake..but it makes a different type of Rosin, thinner in general..possibly Terp heavy. It also require higher temps. Sometimes it is so runny, at it must dry or be put in freezer to scrape off paper. I kinda don't even bother making Rosin out of it that much because it is just easier with my other strains.
I preordered a D-nail press a long time ago, they just emailed me yesterday saying it was gonna take longer than expected to get. I will share my experiences when it arrives. I just wanted a a digital press with a bigger plate so I can do more product at a time.
yeah i can agree with this for sure. in a press going half the time at low temps the color is a discernable shade lighter, although the long time low temp press is quite light in color as well, the slightly lower yield is something i havent gotten dialed into exactly yet, i have a hard time not going a few more seconds and getting practically all of it on one go. i think a two stage press style where you get a bit less on first press is probably more connoisseur for sure. i typically go for 90% on first press or so, and maybe 10-15% at most on second. You could change that up to go 75% first press and 25% second and get slightly better first press quality.
Most of the time Pressing more than once is a waste. Double the labor, and sub-par 2nd Squish. I would rather make edibles with it, it is already heated up. But that is just my opinion.
Thats your opinion, and if you like edibles, maybe valid for you. I dont do edibles myself.
For me, not pressing twice is a waste, and if you want the primo extract, you sacrifice yield on the first press in order to attain that, is what the point of my last post was.
For me, not pressing twice is a waste, and if you want the primo extract, you sacrifice yield on the first press in order to attain that, is what the point of my last post was.
you pretty much did. you acted all hissy like, tell me now! i asked twice now, I demand the info!
I never said any of that, that is your translation. I am Sorry for using an ! I said I apologize if I offended anyone. It was not my intention. Does anything else need to be said?
Btw I agree primo Rosin is made by a shorter clamp time, and would have enough to press again. But even yourself said that you always have the urge to go longer. I agree For personal go shorter, but if you are trying to repress on a large scale, it is not worth the effort. I think that if you use the right amount of bud it helps to decrese the need for multiple presses. More is not always better? If you try to press too much at once, you will always need a second press.
Are you doing anything with the pucks before repressing? I used to fold mine up, before repressing...but a majority of the time the Rosin would be much darker, harder to get off of the paper, and not worth the effort.
About how much material do you guys like to press at a time for the first press? HMK, are you still doing "snakes"? I am sure that you guys are using more material than me. I feel that the bud resoaks the Rosin if you use too much... Making a second press more needed. Once I get my press I will be experimenting a lot with exact moisture, temps, hold times, weights, to see what is most efficient and best quality. Between prepping material, Squishing, and scraping it takes a lot of time. Doing it again with the same material doubles the labor, but the yield and quality is not as good. And trying to combine already pressed material doesn't work well usually for me atleast. Sometimes even have blow outs.
never paid attention or cared? well i wont comment on that part, but as for some ramblings i can make, let me start now. first paragraph, yes, its beaded inside the paper, it doesnt form beads as you open it or something like that.
#2 , collection is actually easier with droplets, as its a hotter extraction, and a drier extract obtained, much easier to collect than low temp film extract.
chaos collision seems overcomplicated but i agree, of course a larger sample will take longer/ more pressure or heat and moisture to completely extract. tiny buds pressed extract super fast...
for the exploding dabs, my low temp extract is super poppy and liquidy, but my curve capper enail setup you poked fun at awhile back takes care of that very nicely
i was just thinking the other day when i had to get dried buds to get the droplets, but in reflection really green buds do that too, at high heat, with tons of steaming and sizzle. I have to get to the point that its not moisture that affects the droplets so much as temperature. if its hot enough to steam the droplet formation can happen with dry or really damp/green buds..
Lmfao yeah bro I was paying attention to the spread pattern with different shapes and folding techniques but didn't think twice about the droplets thing I honestly hardly see it myself, maybe a little on the edges but nothing like on your pics. Hahaha well just be glad YOU atleast realized it.
right so it's stiffer and easier to pick up? I just assumed it's harder to deal with cause its spread out, I like solid pools I can just pick up with my dirty fingers hehehe!
The name I gave that theory was for sure meant to sound cool and be an alliteration. I mean, would "balls and bars in a room with 4 doors and an adjustable ceiling" sound any cooler? Cause that's the example model I use when I try to explain it. It's really not complicated, just an attempt to try to explain how the temps, pressure, type of material, terps, moisture, and folding technique all contribute, in what ways, to the end results.
Lmao I wasn't poking fun I just didn't understand it when I saw it. Just cause I blow glass too doesn't mean I knew exactly what the hell you had made and how it works. I was genuinely confused good sir. I might be tripping, I use distilled water for rehydration, but I swear it on all ends I can taste the water and it feels weird in my lungs. I like to let samples dry a little.
Hmmm so yeah maybe is a coefficiency of expansion thing then. The oils are hotter so maybe they condense on themselves faster and harder, forming droplets? Yeah man idk truly like I said I hardly see that much spread ever.
Idk if that was more than a month ago. We have been talking ablut these things since the beginning when everyone had t shirt presses and was doing 250-350F for very short times and it was the 300 neighborhood for 5-7 seconds that everyone was saying was the best.
I realize this thread is 120 pages now and at this point I wouldn't ask anyone to go back to the beginning and read it all to catch up to current conversation. However that silly to claim we had never previously talked about time and temps.
"Glad to see those people have changed...you know who you are." Wow dude really? I can't help but feel you mean to imply myself, only option besides HMK. I hope you know I never even opened your pm you sent me. You straight tried calling me out so I asked for you to create a valid and sound arguement providing organized evidence and logical deduction. To which you gave no reply and tried to send me a pm and then went silent. Now you come back and say this?
Seriously man, just drop this angst you have for us. This is a public forum, if you don't like us, then don't antagonize us further with comments like this. I was trying to civil and wasn't going to respond to any of your exchanges with HMK until I saw this.
And one should never state absolutes... "If you try to press too much at once, you will always need a second press." Negative ghost rider, I've done many 100-130 gram presses. Single press cause I'm fucken lazy. If done right, a second press will yield no more unless the temp is bumped up atleast 40 degrees and still its not worth it. I can scale up and do 1#, not in the same concept as scaling that straight concentrates did however. I prefer that gram load density and size though for many reasons and that is my personal desire. "Too much" is a relative statement. If one wanted to, ten # could be pressed at once if they had the desire. Straight will probably have a close to 5 # press in a few months, atleast that's what it looks like it could do about. If you really want to get more scientific about it, pay attention to your load rates in grams per square inch because that is a figure that is NOT relative.
And ps...HMK is spicy, deal with it, don't lean on him, or myself for that matter, if you don't want us to push back.
