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So can the Dnails top plate swing or are the masses stuck with removing the top to gain more access?
Are you guys still using oil slick sheets in place of parchment? and does it help with blow outs at all?
also going to take this time to post the final results of my press. I'll try and get some good test shots soon!
Are you guys still using oil slick sheets in place of parchment? and does it help with blow outs at all?
also going to take this time to post the final results of my press. I'll try and get some good test shots soon!
Ahhhh yeah shuttle is a design word used in larger press industry, idk if you will see it with home sublimation presses. Jist thought if anyone wanted to Google it they could. Usually involves 2 heated lower platens and one upper that moves to either lower so you can work one side while the other is pressing. Thought that would be cool for production and larger presses at low temps.
Your right though I think swing away is a better term for the little sub presses.
I'm seeing half the return, if I'm lucky, by sifting dry trim and then pressing rosin, as opposed to using a cls with butane.
Pressing the flower or trim straight up would be way more efficient, and possibly more terpy, but also possibly more waxy, and will take much longer and many more presses. For me I jist like to reduce the volume plus it's way more fun to do presses that squirt more lol! Kief has also allowed me to make the super terpy budder at really low heat, can't seem to do it with flowers.
lots of people don't approach their presses scientifically. Return rates will be all over the place cause people don't truly know their material, moisture content, pressure, actual platen surface temp, and many other factors. I'm not putting those people down or anything, I'm just stating that could be a good reason you'll see all sort of claims and talk about damn near everything. There's seriously soooo many factors that go into besides the quality of material and pressure and heat. Moisture content is a big thing that I know few people who have actually done real experiments with. Just squishing a bud a feeling it in your hand is not an accurate measure. An even pack of material in the filter matters a lot too.
and to ultimately answer your question...IWE is hard to gauge because of all the grades, it's a personal decision to decide what grades made the count and what didnt. With dry tumbling at 180u I get 10% with not so frosty and 15% with more frosty trim. 66% return will give a 10% total overall return off the material but I've never gotten that off this grade of kief, more like 50_60%.
It's efficient when you factor energy. Needed alot of electricity to run a proper cls lab. Takes time and care for proper bho too. Rosin doesn't have me watching clocks, timers, gauges, and temps constantly. Plus if I want a little break I can do so whenever I want and not worry about shit exploding. Clean c4h10 is expensive too.
The more psychedelic effect HMK describes I've noticed as well and most likely is a synergistic effect of the terpenes which I've never seen bho as terpy as the rosin I've been playing with. It can be done, with a super babied low and slow purge for like a week, but the monoterps are jnsane with rosin, I often let it sit in a cold dry room for about 3 days just to mellow the monos out. Otherwise my blue dream rosin tastes like a mouthful of spices and celery, it's crazy!
Many dispensaries on the west coast carry rosin now
oh right i have seen the shuttle style, that is actually different than a swing-away, more production level.
http://www.hotronix.com/dual-air-fusion
http://www.hotronix.com/dual-air-fusion
ohh carefully with your pressing plates....I couldn't figure out Why my yield were going down for same materiall...took a close look and my plates have warped and don't close PERFECTLY flat anymore..
I'm just about ready to buy a 400 welding set and build a hydraulic press using a spare wood splitter i have.....5tonne...electric....... Set up some beefier plates....got lotsa spare heaters...
I'm just about ready to buy a 400 welding set and build a hydraulic press using a spare wood splitter i have.....5tonne...electric....... Set up some beefier plates....got lotsa spare heaters...
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This is exactly the information I needed to help make an informed decision. Thank you very much, I'm going to have to get my hands dirty from here on out on this one.
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blast I'm a send you a pm.
ooh, how conspiratorial!
someone found my post helpful? what did they learn a new word ? 
anyway, yeah, bud pressing is still winning. Its quite the science, so many interesting variables to play with. I played with butane extraction for a long time, but this somehow seems a lot funner. I am still up in the air about which is better; to press a sample at low temperature for over a minute, and get a liquid like extract which is a bitch to collect but i can eventually, or do a slightly higher temp press for around 30 seconds, and comes out as what appears to be re-deposited droplets, as opposed to a liquid like sheen from the lower temp extract.the temp difference is only about 25 degrees F. The hotter extract also has the same golden color, i feel that i am getting a bit better yield with the cooler longer press and the taste is very similar in both cases. One advantage of the hotter press is the ability to do much damper material, and still get a good yield with no straight moisture resulting like would if using the cooler press on really damp(not just redampened, but still slightly green damp) material.
anyway, yeah, bud pressing is still winning. Its quite the science, so many interesting variables to play with. I played with butane extraction for a long time, but this somehow seems a lot funner. I am still up in the air about which is better; to press a sample at low temperature for over a minute, and get a liquid like extract which is a bitch to collect but i can eventually, or do a slightly higher temp press for around 30 seconds, and comes out as what appears to be re-deposited droplets, as opposed to a liquid like sheen from the lower temp extract.the temp difference is only about 25 degrees F. The hotter extract also has the same golden color, i feel that i am getting a bit better yield with the cooler longer press and the taste is very similar in both cases. One advantage of the hotter press is the ability to do much damper material, and still get a good yield with no straight moisture resulting like would if using the cooler press on really damp(not just redampened, but still slightly green damp) material.
I didn't hit the button, but I'm going to now ahahaha! I never seen that word too...conspiratorial!
What temps exactly are you talking about?
the excess moisture in not an issue too much if you can dry the rosin properly. I treat it like IWE and use a cold and dry room for 3-5 days depending on moisture content. Check/dab it daily. I like it when there's still just a tiny bit of moisture sizzle when it hits the nail.
I have some new theories for moisture. Might act like an argon shield similar to welding. It could encase and protect the oils and terps possibly as well as helping to extract them. Just an idea.
What temps exactly are you talking about?
the excess moisture in not an issue too much if you can dry the rosin properly. I treat it like IWE and use a cold and dry room for 3-5 days depending on moisture content. Check/dab it daily. I like it when there's still just a tiny bit of moisture sizzle when it hits the nail.
I have some new theories for moisture. Might act like an argon shield similar to welding. It could encase and protect the oils and terps possibly as well as helping to extract them. Just an idea.
@ sunfire
I know you got some equipment put together. I'd love to see some pics. I'm a visual learner and details tend to run together in my head when I read volume .Help us low budget diy guys out and post some pics that we can leverage our own designs off of. IMO, HMK should get the best post of the thread award for posting up his 600 lb clamp design
I know you got some equipment put together. I'd love to see some pics. I'm a visual learner and details tend to run together in my head when I read volume .Help us low budget diy guys out and post some pics that we can leverage our own designs off of. IMO, HMK should get the best post of the thread award for posting up his 600 lb clamp design
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http://www.ebay.ca/itm/DAS-VIKING-B...ON-APPROVED-/221799805198?hash=item33a44c710e this is identical to the press that ive seen Gold Ash show on his IG feed. |Strait GOld extractor is a 500$ juice press? look through the images, identical unit. ill keep that in mind when they release their final model to the masses. hehe
identical tonnage too. interesting its nice and light thats for sure..i like it..just I dont like paying anybody for something I can design and build myself. wonder what their heating plates will look like?
funny stuff ...
identical tonnage too. interesting its nice and light thats for sure..i like it..just I dont like paying anybody for something I can design and build myself
. wonder what their heating plates will look like?funny stuff ...
I managed to get my tea bagtech on point ! loving the flower rosin now.
Grow Tech - the arbor press ideas are great for a cheap option. I like the 2 or 3 ton ones.
about 100$ a ton. lol I was able to take my plates off my hair straightener and faSTEN them to my arbor press with ease. works great but 3 tons would be way better.
Grow Tech - the arbor press ideas are great for a cheap option. I like the 2 or 3 ton ones.
about 100$ a ton. lol I was able to take my plates off my hair straightener and faSTEN them to my arbor press with ease. works great but 3 tons would be way better.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/DAS-VIKING-B...ON-APPROVED-/221799805198?hash=item33a44c710e this is identical to the press that ive seen Gold Ash show on his IG feed. |Strait GOld extractor is a 500$ juice press? look through the images, identical unit. ill keep that in mind when they release their final model to the masses. hehe
identical tonnage too. interesting its nice and light thats for sure..i like it..just I dont like paying anybody for something I can design and build myself
funny stuff ...
It looks the same bevause they are the same frame design called "4 column" or "4 pillar" or "4 post" depending on which manufacturer you talk too. They really are very different in the details though and I guarantee you it will cost a lot to modify that one to have pid controlled platens.
Look up electric hydraulic pumps and rams. Adding that in will up the price a good bit. The bottle jack is nice and cheap, silent, and the seals in some can be replaced.
I deleted all of those posts now but did you see all the hot presses I had posted on ig? You can buy ones exactly like strait ' s already made but he got pretty damned pissed at me and said his presses don't look anything like them. Well ok he's got a few different details, like telescoping guides, and is paying machinists stateside to make em which is gonna jack the cost way up.
If you wanted to keep it simple, some square tubing and a cheap welder could get you a press going in like a day if you do manual heating. The biggest bitch is finding the balance of price and quality with the platens and controller. So many ways to skin that cat it's rediculous.
even has the same piece of white plastic block centered in the middle....jus sayn lol. they dont have plates as of yet, they have mentioned including different sized platens but this would be the simplest of add ons as they would only need to really fasten the top plate to get it going.... or just replace the 4 ton hydraulic cylinder with a bigger one. and im not hating, looks like a nice light weight design / frame to work with... im not looking to really do this myself though. ive got lots of options to keep me busy for now just thought it would be of interest. i think this was just wha they might have used at first to get their design in the works, ive seen the multi tier one that looks real nice.
They probably ordered the frame, replaced the jack with an electric pump and a ram, then are going to mod on platens. The electric hydraulic motor is not worth the money to be lazy in my opinion. Here's a little tipper, pneumatic driven hydraulic pumps are waaaaaaaay cheaper. I can put together a 5 ton pneumatic pump and a short stroke ram for like 200, maybe 250$. But then you need an air compressor as well, Craigslist can help keep the cost down but I don't want compressors or noisy pumps in the shop. The thing I hated ablut cls the most was the god damn pump noise! Now the shop is safer, quieter, and 100% legal, for now anyways.
I'm done talking details of press design openly on forums and ig. I'm tired of arguing with people about shit I've seen and done and know for a fact. People will just have to figure it out for themselves for now. But I can't help saying, the multi tier design has one huge issue with it, besides the insanely oversized platens. Production of QUALITY rosin will not be that simple, there's a lot of math involved that most people don't think aboit, let alone comprehend. The right tool for the job is a necessity. You can use a waffle head framing hammer to do interior finish work, but it will make for low quality end results. A hammer is a hammer but the small details is what creates it's job niche.
I'm done talking details of press design openly on forums and ig. I'm tired of arguing with people about shit I've seen and done and know for a fact. People will just have to figure it out for themselves for now. But I can't help saying, the multi tier design has one huge issue with it, besides the insanely oversized platens. Production of QUALITY rosin will not be that simple, there's a lot of math involved that most people don't think aboit, let alone comprehend. The right tool for the job is a necessity. You can use a waffle head framing hammer to do interior finish work, but it will make for low quality end results. A hammer is a hammer but the small details is what creates it's job niche.
I'm not ignoring you, but like I just said, I'm not discussing press design openly anymore. Apparently all it leads to is me being be an incorrect "know it all" that does nothing but hates on other people's shit constantly. Cause that's clearly why I've spent months researching and designing, just to hate on every one else's stuff. Ironically I've now spoken with and offered tips that were warmly welcomed, with 3 other people designing presses.
Pm me what your budget is, what your desired production level is, and how much space (footprint) you can afford for a press. Pretty much the only option imo for a tight budget is to manually heat the plates. Thank GanjaPharma for the induction hot plate tip cause that's the best option as far as fast, reliable, and inexpensive results are concerned.
glad i got on your good side before you went dark lol.
i need some moolah to build a bigger press...
i need some moolah to build a bigger press...
